Aquamarine Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Aside from whatever Robert is thinking, I think the amazing thing is that Jimmy et al can't get anything going. I actually can't believe it. I have to think they a) must have been trying to psyche Robert into the project and/or have his assurance that he will do something with them after his next go round with T-Bone. They are just too good to not have some immediate possibilities unless they have something to wait for. They COULD absolutely find a singer to make an interesting project and I can't believe Jimmy and John Paul have thrown in the towel(s) for good. Granted , I'm not sure I trust Jimmy to make the best choice given his record and if nothing else he needs better management; ie someone who could find the best singer for the deal. I could probably do it 'fer the love of god------and these guys can't? Somethin' is goin' on here..... Finding singers etc. isn't a manager's job. And no, it seems they actually couldn't find a singer who fit. I guess it's also a question of chemistry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanadu Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 And no, it seems they actually couldn't find a singer who fit. Do you think they tried very hard? (Edit: They -> Page? Not criticizing them/him, just wondering.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Do you think they tried very hard? Yes. Honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabe Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 From the energy and apparent good time had by the band at the O2,I imagine it was realized early on in the search for a new vocalist,there could be no substitute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glicine Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 They were not searching a substitute for the band Led Zeppelin, but a singer who could fit into the new project. But apparently the search didn't turn out to be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabe Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 They were not searching a substitute for the band Led Zeppelin, but a singer who could fit into the new project. But apparently the search didn't turn out to be successful. But,do you believe Page,JPJ and Jason discussed and envisioned a template for the "new project?" Maybe so. My thought is that the residual high from the rehearsals and actual O2 performance diminished with time,and Page and JPJ thought to leave well enough alone. I could be completely wrong,but this is about how I picture it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glicine Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 But,do you believe Page,JPJ and Jason discussed and envisioned a template for the "new project?" Maybe so. My thought is that the residual high from the rehearsals and actual O2 performance diminished with time,and Page and JPJ thought to leave well enough alone. I could be completely wrong,but this is about how I picture it. Actually, we know little, very little about the "new project", or better to say what Jimmy and JPJ had in their mind. None of us can be sure about this, we had no choice but to accept what they said. I think JPJ still has his own things to do and I really hope Jimmy will make a return to public playing. But then again, it's all up to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slave to zep Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 But,do you believe Page,JPJ and Jason discussed and envisioned a template for the "new project?" Maybe so. My thought is that the residual high from the rehearsals and actual O2 performance diminished with time,and Page and JPJ thought to leave well enough alone. I could be completely wrong,but this is about how I picture it. i still have some hope that they ( jjj) will do something. not sure what, but SOMETHING. to come so close as to actually audition singers, and then....... well, i get it that they didnt find who/what they were looking for, but you would think that with just the 3 jamming alone wouldve been enough to make them want to do SOMETHING. perhaps they are writing during this seemingly quiet time. oooooh i hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanadu Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 i still have some hope that they ( jjj) will do something. not sure what, but SOMETHING. to come so close as to actually audition singers, and then....... well, i get it that they didnt find who/what they were looking for, but you would think that with just the 3 jamming alone wouldve been enough to make them want to do SOMETHING. perhaps they are writing during this seemingly quiet time. oooooh i hope so. Like glicine said, we really don't know what the guys had in planning and so this is just very uninformed guessing, but I assume that Jimmy had already begun writing new songs with Robert in mind as a singer, and when he knew he wouldn't get Plant on board he tried other singers (no idea whatsoever how seriously) which naturally presented new problems, like how to distance the project from LZ, or how the songs would work with a different singing style... Now, I really don't intend to ruin your optimism, Jimmy may indeed very well be just buying a bit more time to write more new jjj material in peace, but personally I wouldn't be surprised if Page delayed recording until Plant is free again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 But,do you believe Page,JPJ and Jason discussed and envisioned a template for the "new project?" Maybe so. My thought is that the residual high from the rehearsals and actual O2 performance diminished with time,and Page and JPJ thought to leave well enough alone. I could be completely wrong,but this is about how I picture it. We don't know what went on for sure but my guess would be the three of them were in discussions and rehearsing/auditioning singers for what they hoped would be a new band going forward. Sadly it seems they couldn't find a singer they meshed with and the project is scrapped. I do hope we see Jimmy regardless in some form in the near future. Been far too long but whatever his decision is, I accept and respect and as long as he is happy and healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanadu Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 We don't know what went on for sure but my guess would be the three of them were in discussions and rehearsing/auditioning singers for what they hoped would be a new band going forward. Sadly it seems they couldn't find a singer they meshed with and the project is scrapped. I do hope we see Jimmy regardless in some form in the near future. Been far too long but whatever his decision is, I accept and respect and as long as he is happy and healthy. I'm sure he has reasons for his decisions, and he is certainly not obliged to explain the details to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I find it hard to believe that Jimmy is happy with not having a good musical direction. I see him as someone who has been largely frustrated since the end of Zeppelin; never again finding a group of musicians that are at his level-which he frankly hasn't had since Zeppelin. I would wish him all happiness as well but am not convinced he could possibly be happy with one dead end after another and an obvious constant craving to play his music. This kind of craving is not particular to Jimmy either; most musicians have an innate urge to pay their music whether it was written thirty years ago or last week I would not see him being happy with the project they were so public about dying before being born. This leads me to my conclusion that he either has an ace in the hole or has thrown all his cards away in frustration--again. I think he needs some help finding the singer (if he really wants one)-I'm convinced it could be done. From what we heard about the few who tried out I would say that he was looking in the wrong direction to begin with. I believe the right person for the job is somebody who he would never have thought of and is nipping this in the bud-which is unfortunate in my view. He seems to be a victim of circumstances rather than the Saint of Circumstance he could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glicine Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I find it hard to believe that Jimmy is happy with not having a good musical direction. I see him as someone who has been largely frustrated since the end of Zeppelin; never again finding a group of musicians that are at his level-which he frankly hasn't had since Zeppelin. I would wish him all happiness as well but am not convinced he could possibly be happy with one dead end after another and an obvious constant craving to play his music. This kind of craving is not particular to Jimmy either; most musicians have an innate urge to pay their music whether it was written thirty years ago or last week I would not see him being happy with the project they were so public about dying before being born. This leads me to my conclusion that he either has an ace in the hole or has thrown all his cards away in frustration--again. I think he needs some help finding the singer (if he really wants one)-I'm convinced it could be done. From what we heard about the few who tried out I would say that he was looking in the wrong direction to begin with. I believe the right person for the job is somebody who he would never have thought of and is nipping this in the bud-which is unfortunate in my view. He seems to be a victim of circumstances rather than the Saint of Circumstance he could be. In a certain way I do agree with you. But I think blaming the circumstances is not totally fair. Sometimes I got the feeling that Jimmy thought too much, trapped himself in the preconceived frame but was not very willing to take risk. But then again he is such a perfectionist, I can't really blame him for that. And of course I could be totally wrong, just my thoughts here. One thing I love about Robert, let me cite his own words,"I know I'm free to fail, and I'm ready for it". I mean, I think back in Led Zeppelin they had never thought much about "perfection" and "sucess/failure". They liked to surprise people, to bring the audience to some places they'd never been before, they were strong and raw. So I hope Jimmy can take some path which will actually surprise us. I believe he still can do it, the problem is more about motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 In a certain way I do agree with you. But I think blaming the circustances is not totally fair. Sometimes I got the feeling that Jimmy thought too much, trapped himself in the preconceived frame but was not very willing to take risk. But then again he is such a perfectionist, I can't really blame him for that. And of course I could be totally wrong, just my thoughts here. One thing I loved about Robert, let me cite his own words,"I know I'm free to fail, and I'm ready for it". I mean, I think back in Led Zeppelin they had never thought much about "perfection" and "sucess/failure". They liked to surprise people, to bring the audience to some places they'd never been before, they were strong and raw. So I hope Jimmy can take some path which will actually surprise us. I believe he still can do it, the problem is more about motivation. One of my favorite quotes from him. Such a great statement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mos6507 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 It seems to me that post-Zep the only studio endeavors in which he's put his 100% effort into was DW II, the 3 instrumentals on Outrider, and Coverdale/Page. Everything else he would take a backseat to whomever he was working with. It's sad that Robert is walking away with a grammy sweep and Jimmy is potentially facing the end of his career out of years of procrastination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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