Melanie_72 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Just wanted to clarify that I do listen to a little bit of almost everything (country, hip hop, R&B, and more) but when I listen to rock, it's mostly classic or southern (Zeppelin, Eagles, Doors, Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac, Lynyrd Skynyrd, CS&N). Or DMB. Me too Virginia! To me classic rock has never really gone away. I have always preferred "old school" or "classic" to the newer stuff anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 The thing that bothers me about most of today's generation of performers is that it seems that they're all trying to find the easy road to success. There's too much American Idol competition bullshit on the tube, or You Tube sensations getting a million views a month. I know I sound old fashioned, but it's like no one wants to pay their dues anymore. Back before the net and satellite tv, a group or individual would have to gig continuously, beg borrow or steal to get noticed and then hope some coked out A&R guy would sign them to a recording contract. Nowadays, you have home recording studios (which isn't a bad thing, mind you) and places like MySpace where you can set up and market your own recordings. I'm mostly jealous because this wasn't available when I had aspirations of becoming a successful recording artist. But beside that, I think it makes it much too easy for one to lose focus of what it really takes to be a bonafide artist in this business. Back in the 80's the saying was "there's a band on every corner" when talking about how hard it was to get noticed. Nowadays, there's a band in every house. Hell, grandma's got a band together that's working on their new CD. It's always been tough out there. To answer the question, Classic Rock as defined by the last 20 years or so has never or will ever go away. Groups like LZ, Cream, Doors, Sabbath are cemented in history forever. Kids 100 hundred years from now will be amazed over Jimmy's guitar work. You can bank on that. In many cases yes a lot of bands take the easy route, but there are a ton of bands that don't. They're out there selling records on their own because they can't get a record deal (and in this day and age, not sure I'd advise it), touring etc. trying to build a following. In regards to a post above, I wouldn't define classic rock as hard rock - some is but a lot isn't. Whatever the case, it's just a label and it doesn't really mean much to me. I listen to what I like in whatever genre it falls under. If it appeals to my ears, that's what counts for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longdistancewinner Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Just wanted to clarify that I do listen to a little bit of almost everything (country, hip hop, R&B, and more) but when I listen to rock, it's mostly classic or southern (Zeppelin, Eagles, Doors, Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac, Lynyrd Skynyrd, CS&N). Or DMB. See, I pretty much listen to all those bands you just mentioned, but I wouldn't define them as Classic Rock. Collectively, for convenience, they would be CR. Singularly, I wouldn't say they were. Floyd/The Doors? Psychedelic/Progressive Rock. CS&N? Folk Rock. The Doors/Zeppelin/Eagles? Hard Rock. Fleetwood Mac (depending on the lineup)? Blues or Pop/Hard Rock. Skynyrd (and the Eagles, too) were Southern. But, as they're all old/dated and are guitar-based, they must be Classic. I think too many people (not you, Virginia or Melanie ) confuse Classic Rock with Hard Rock. One is a genre and one is a term. When these bands were at their peak they knew the genre they were performing under (having most likely been influenced by it), and Classic Rock wasn't it. It's a more approachable word than AOR (which it evolved from), but I wouldn't say it was any more valid. I didn't exist then, so I don't consider it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Me too Virginia! To me classic rock has never really gone away. I have always preferred "old school" or "classic" to the newer stuff anyways. Also, for me, classic rock is music that would be played on the local classic rock station (that I've been listening to since the 70s). Lame as that may be, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 See, I pretty much listen to all those bands you just mentioned, but I wouldn't define them as Classic Rock. Collectively, for convenience, they would be CR. Singularly, I wouldn't say they were. Floyd/The Doors? Psychedelic/Progressive Rock. CS&N? Folk Rock. The Doors/Zeppelin/Eagles? Hard Rock. Fleetwood Mac (depending on the lineup)? Blues or Pop/Hard Rock. Skynyrd (and the Eagles, too) were Southern. But, as they're all old/dated and are guitar-based, they must be Classic. I think too many people (not you, Virginia or Melanie ) confuse Classic Rock with Hard Rock. One is a genre and one is a term. When these bands were at their peak they knew the genre they were performing under (having most likely been influenced by it), and Classic Rock wasn't it. It's a more approachable word than AOR (which it evolved from), but I wouldn't say it was any more valid. I didn't exist then, so I don't consider it now. I understand I sent my other reply before I saw your message but I really do go by what is played on the local FM station. In all honesty, the artists haven't changed too much since the 70s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longdistancewinner Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 In many cases yes a lot of bands take the easy route, but there are a ton of bands that don't. They're out there selling records on their own because they can't get a record deal (and in this day and age, not sure I'd advise it), touring etc. trying to build a following. In regards to a post above, I wouldn't define classic rock as hard rock - some is but a lot isn't. Whatever the case, it's just a label and it doesn't really mean much to me. I listen to what I like in whatever genre it falls under. If it appeals to my ears, that's what counts for me. That was me I define Classic as Hard Rock only because I listen mostly to Hard Rock and it's lumped as Classic. I wouldn't say all Classic is Hard Rock, but much of it is. Especially with some specialist British radio. And what isn't filtered into a specific genre for radio is usually just 'Classic'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longdistancewinner Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I understand I sent my other reply before I saw your message but I really do go by what is played on the local FM station. In all honesty, the artists haven't changed too much since the 70s. I agree. It's easier to say I like Classic Rock, but, in reality there's so much more to it. And I'm not complaining - we sound like we all have pretty good taste in music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 That was me I define Classic as Hard Rock only because I listen mostly to Hard Rock and it's lumped as Classic. I wouldn't say all Classic is Hard Rock, but much of it is. Especially with some specialist British radio. And what isn't filtered into a specific genre for radio is usually just 'Classic'. I agree that a lot of hard rock is classic rock. I guess I base my definition on what my classic rock station plays which includes bands like Jefferson Airplane, The Dead etc. Good discussion though! It's nice to see a thread where we can share our ideas even if we don't agree in a civilised manner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzldoc Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 "Classic rock" is a media term used to easily identify a time period of specific rock and roll. Actually classic rock is historic in being the time frame when the "roll" mysteriously disappeared and it has forever since been referred to as "rock." Enough said. I agree, It's a media term just like 50's and early 60's were refered to as "Oldies but Goodies" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danelectro Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 So now that we've determined classic rock is a generic term. Is there a problem with today's bands and music. I say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzldoc Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 If you think about it, some bands are around for 15-20 years before they make a name for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmie ray Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 If you think about it, some bands are around for 15-20 years before they make a name for themselves. I recently heard some stuff by a band called the "Meat Puppets" that caught my ear, that I thought harkened back to a time when instruments were played with some intrigue. Evidentally, they have been around for over 20 years, and started out as a punk band, which was suprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danelectro Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I recently heard some stuff by a band called the "Meat Puppets" that caught my ear, that I thought harkened back to a time when instruments were played with some intrigue. Evidentally, they have been around for over 20 years, and started out as a punk band, which was suprising. Meat Puppets were a great band. The jumped around quite a bit stylistically, some of their mid 90's stuff was similar to 70's era hard rock. Some other bands that straddled the hard rock\punk line were Corrosion Of Conformity and The Obsessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmsofAtlas Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Well we kind of had it in the 90's with the "grunge" era. There was a ton of great bands from Seattle and other bands/artists starting popping up (Lenny Kravitz, Jane's Addiction,etc.). What killed it was drugs. Record companies saw this and didn't want to invest in artists they couldn't control or even worse, died. That's why the bubblegum era kicked in with Britney, etc. The record companies had total control in everything. It's a shame because for awhile there in the 90's, it felt like the late 60's/early 70's again. There was so much great new music and you had great artists from the past (Neil Young/Page &Plant,etc.) contributing too. I really miss the early 90's. Good times! Are you FUCKIN SERIOUS!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? That's rich buddy. You're saying that a bunch of fat cat record execs, who were prolly nose deep in their own problems, wouldn't sign bands that did drugs? Fact is, music goes in cycles. People quit buying all those great bands, that's the one and only reason record companies quit signing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spats Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Are you FUCKIN SERIOUS!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? That's rich buddy. You're saying that a bunch of fat cat record execs, who were prolly nose deep in their own problems, wouldn't sign bands that did drugs? Fact is, music goes in cycles. People quit buying all those great bands, that's the one and only reason record companies quit signing them. Exactly. Record Companies do not stop investing or signing bands because of drugs. If a band is dropped or if the record company stops supporting them it's because the band did not sell records anymore. The band was done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danelectro Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Mainstream trends are never a good way to judge what's going on in music. Sure it may have seemed like there was a rock movement brought on by "grunge" ( I really hate that tag). But there was already a lot going on with music at that time. Bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam may have gotten the lions share of the press but that was also the time the Black Crowes, Sugar and Rancid. All good bands IMO. The grunge thing was really what became the mainstream version of what had been going on with indie music as far back as the early 80's. Part of the reason grunge died a quick death is because the core scene was already several years old before Nirvana sold millions. Besides a handful of very successful bands doesn't mean something is a sure bet. The kids who flocked to by Nevermind never went back to buy albums by The Fluid and Love Battery. It was the same way in the 70's, Zep sold millions and amny other great bands did not. People forget that great bands like Free and Mott The Hoople had a tough time in their day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychoRockNRoll Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Well, actually Classiс Rock's never gone away. Page and company are still alive, aren't they? And there are a lot of young groups playing old music and creating rock'n'roll by themselves. That's enough for Rock music to survive. But not to be widespread. The problem is mainstream as it mentioned above. Who are the main consumers now? Teenagers. And I bet you they'll never choose R&R. They'll never feel it. Most of them. I'm telling that as a teenager living in teenage world. They choose only music they can dance to or music which makes them cute but never music which makes them think. Perhaps that's degradation of society but I can't judge because I haven't lived in teenage society of 60ies. But even if it's always been like that, those who lived in 1960, were they so small-minded as now or not, didn't have any choice. Rock'n'roll was the only way to have fun, dance and "be cool" just because there weren't anything else appropriate. Nowadays there IS. And as music in general is developing more and more, rock music is losing its chances to survive. I'm afraid to imagine what will come with the next generation. So the epoch will never recur. But rock'n'roll lives until we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Well, actually Classiс Rock's never gone away. Page and company are still alive, aren't they? And there are a lot of young groups playing old music and creating rock'n'roll by themselves. That's enough for Rock music to survive. But not to be widespread. The problem is mainstream as it mentioned above. Who are the main consumers now? Teenagers. And I bet you they'll never choose R&R. They'll never feel it. Most of them. I'm telling that as a teenager living in teenage world. They choose only music they can dance to or music which makes them cute but never music which makes them think. Perhaps that's degradation of society but I can't judge because I haven't lived in teenage society of 60ies. But even if it's always been like that, those who lived in 1960, were they so small-minded as now or not, didn't have any choice. Rock'n'roll was the only way to have fun, dance and "be cool" just because there weren't anything else appropriate. Nowadays there IS. And as music in general is developing more and more, rock music is losing its chances to survive. I'm afraid to imagine what will come with the next generation. So the epoch will never recur. But rock'n'roll lives until we do. Actually with the video games Guitar Hero and Rock Band, a lot of young kids are getting introduced to and grooving on rock and roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigzepfan Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Yeah, Rock and Roll is here to stay!!!! but you do make a good point that now there are many different types of music and blends of several styles compared to what was available in the seventies. since there is more to choose from, less will go the path of R&R. I guess only the lucky ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzldoc Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 I recently heard some stuff by a band called the "Meat Puppets" that caught my ear, that I thought harkened back to a time when instruments were played with some intrigue. Evidentally, they have been around for over 20 years, and started out as a punk band, which was suprising. I remember they had a video on MTV back in the early to mid 90's just the name stuck in my head LOL. I haven't heard anything recently by them though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 I remember they had a video on MTV back in the early to mid 90's just the name stuck in my head LOL. I haven't heard anything recently by them though. I liked the Meat Puppets. I saw them in concert back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancin'Days Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 As in the words of the Great Neil Young "Hey Hey My My Rock and Roll will Never Die"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmie ray Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 I remember they had a video on MTV back in the early to mid 90's just the name stuck in my head LOL. I haven't heard anything recently by them though. And here I thought I was onto something new. The guitar has a pyschedelic sound that I haven't heard in the little exposure to more recent bands that I get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 I wish the term "Classic rock" went away and died somewhere where no one could find it again. Now, back to topic.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomper Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 I wish the term "Classic rock" went away and died somewhere where no one could find it again. Now, back to topic.. Much of what is termed Classic Rock is actually Classless. Some of those bands should've never been heard. Many of the ones trying to resurrect their careers should die and go away. Was that on topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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