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On 11/15/2019 at 6:31 PM, luvlz2 said:
👍Thanks Steve! Still hoping a picture or two will surface sometime.
Okay, let me preface by saying:
- You must have "Bootleg eyes" 😆
- I was a 19 year old sophomore at ASU with a crap camera
- I can't begin to tell you how thrilled I was to see James Patrick Page live for the first time! We had a blast in the upper deck at the Tempe Activities Center this March night back in 1985. Thoroughly enjoyed this concert.
This picture is definitely during WS/BMS. I'll post the second picture shortly.
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Bill Graham's men should have flown over to England after the no contest ruling in 1978 and beat the living daylights out of whoever between Grant, Bindon, Cole and Bonzo physically laid a hand upon Graham's man backstage who took the beating. What those guy(s) did to that man in that trailer backstage at Oakland in 1977, easily deserved the same punishment in return.
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3 hours ago, gibsonfan159 said:
What are some songs they played live that just make you cringe? Is there a bad version of The Rain Song? They played it so well consistently that I don't know if I've heard a bad version.
Exactly two years apart and exactly the same result: Jimmy botches the solo badly in both songs:
- Oakland July 23, 1977 - Ten Years Gone
- Copenhagen July 23, 1979 - Misty Mountain Hop
And, he makes amends on both songs, the next day at both shows.
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Steve,
What is the story behind Bonzo's Montreux in September 1976? Was Bonzo was there alone, and Jimmy later added his electronic treatments from his home studio for Coda, or was jimmy in Montreux with Bonzo? I wonder what inspired Bonzo to record this? Know all were tax exiles in 1976, think the Bonhams were in the South of France, so wondered why Bonzo made the trip to Switzerland, and the general story of recording this drum solo.
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That the surviving members completely dismiss In Through The Out Door as an album, even as an achievement:
- no O2 reunion attempts (unforgivable really)
- minimal live interpretations on solo tours (In The Evening really being the only song from that album to get played after Zep disbanded, primarily by Plant; small exceptions: 30 seconds worth of Carouselambra in the middle of ITE during Plant/Page 1995-6 tour and a one off attempt at Fool In The Rain by Plant and Pearl Jam).
- Nothing by Jimmy on his tours (Ourider even with Coverdale in Japan) nor Jonesy (thought for sure Jonesy would try Carouselambra during one of his two solo tours).
- Even Robert, during his Nashville stint with Alison Krauss/Patty Griffin and company, could have tried Hot Dog live. That would have fit the set list during those tours.
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Hi Steve,
Two questions on the October 1972 Bombay Recording Sessions:
1. Why didn't Robert sing the lyrics on Four Sticks?
2. Did Jimmy and Robert consider recording any other Zep songs for this session besides Friends and Four Sticks? They had by that time, 5 recorded albums (even though Houses was in the can and not released until March '73, they played 5 of those 8 tracks on that album live by the time they got to this recording session). Thinking about 1994's reunion, and songs they played with that Orchestra, other options like Rain Song and Since I've Been Loving You could have been attempted, so very curious if any attempts were considered for other Zep songs at that session.
Thanks
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Hi Steve,
Don't think this one has been addressed before: why was Bonzo the only Zep member not to attend Richard Cole's wedding in September 1978? I think it might possibly be because he got in a car wreck and had broken ribs around that time? Thanks
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The beautiful and unique Green Lake Aqua Theater in Seattle, with Three Dog Night, May 11, 1969 (see my avatar).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlA85DrzVx0
Achilles starts at 1:35:45
I just reminded myself why I hate the ALS from the second night at Knebworth. It leaves me begging for Tempe '77.
Oh Sue, you're killing me. I'll admit to two things first:
- I LOVE ALS, no matter what: live, on Presence, and soon to be companion version next week. Probably, if pressed, my all time favorite Zep tune. But with me, that changes daily, but is always in my top 2-3 consistently
- I have bootleg Zep ears over the years, so I'll admit, I'll tolerate just about any live version of any Zep song
That said, I just listened to this version twice, once listening, and once watching visuals, to see any distress in the band's performance. I could see easily nitpick certain points of ALS, but certain points sound fantastic too. Where I see distress is the Ahhs towards the end, which when listening, makes me think Jimmy busted a string (which seems to be in evidence at the song's end that Jimmy finishes). You can see Robert wincing too during the Ahhs.
What are your pain points in this version? I respect your opinion, so want to know your thoughts on this.
I'll take this version over the 7/20/77 version, and would have easily welcomed this version at the 6/26/80 and 7/7/80 shows.
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^ The Beginning
The end: Berlin July 7, 1980
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RIP Dennis Sheehan, who worked with Robert on the 1977 US Tour. Nothing on Robert's website yet, but am sure he'll post something, since he did that nice video tribute honoring Dennis a couple of years ago.
https://www.yahoo.com/music/u2s-longtime-tour-manager-dennis-sheehan-dies-120033906161.html
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I know I am in the minority on this on this thought, but I am very disappointed the companion disc doesn't contain any in progress version of D'yer Mak'er!!!
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..you welcome, my inquiry has now been finalized to no copyright permission granted, the Qubecor Media owns rights to both Echoes Vedettes and Photos Vedettes...sorry...
PlanetPage and Steve,
Funny coincidence happened here on your exchange here, and so timely: prior to your email PP about your discovery, I asked Steve about this one off September 1970 Madison Square Garden date. Well, your thread brought me to the 1970 timeline section of this site, and I started looking at the April 1970 Montreal date. In looking at all the images associated with this date, one caught my eye: renown Canadian Zep writer/lover Ritchie Yorke's East Coast column. In it, he writes about Zep's next North American tour, In August and September 1970. He then quotes it will include 3 dates at Madison Square Garden!
So Steve, at least we have a little more to go by now that we have this information. Don't know whether or not it will solve the mystery on how Zep's 3 show MSG dates turned into one date with two shows on the same day, but it's a start!
Thanks PP!!!
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Apologies in advance Steve if this question has been asked before. It would be great to view a transcript of all 266 pages of what I consider bar none, the best LZ Forum topic, so I could verify whether or not this has been asked in this amazing thread yet, so here goes: what is the story of LZ playing Madison Square Garden September 19, 1970, ten days after they played their last tour date in the states in Boston on September 9? I know Boston came up last minute, as a result of a cancelled gig in the area in August 1970, so they had to go from Honolulu to Boston in 3 days. But then to go back to England, attend and receive awards at Melody Maker, then fly back to New York, seems like an awful lot. Add to that, doing two Madison Square concerts in one day, why not spread them out over two days instead of two shows in one day?
If you think about it, Zep could have easily played the Garden when they were back East starting the tour in August. It's not like they were rusty, having played 4 German dates the previous month. Furthermore, it's not like the Garden was in use, since it wasn't hockey or basketball season (unless they had Barnum and Bailey in town for a week)..
It just seems mysterious:
- why Zep would fly back to the US for one date in New York
- why squeeze in two shows in one day, when they could have played Saturday night and Sunday night in the Garden
Any sound reasons for these decisions?
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September 24, 1980 - last time Led Zeppelin plays together as a band at Bray Studios, first day of rehearsal for the 1980 Fall tour of the USA
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Steve,
Saw an interesting documentary on AC/DC, and one highlight was that the band, after initial success down under, came back to the UK and held residency in 1976 and 1977 (I think for about 10 months) with non stop touring in and around London, as well as other UK dates. I was wondering if there has been any public commentary or confirmation of any of Zep attending any of their shows during this period?
As you'll recall, Zep members, as they were rehearsing for the 77 American tour, went out to see punk bands like The Damned and Eater, etc...but I have never read any mention of AC/DC. With that lineup in that era when they were about 2-3 albums in, I would think the Zep camp would have interest in seeing them at that time.
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Steve,
Noticed these dates listed on the liner notes on the Zep 3, alternate CD reissue:
- Jenning Farm Blues - Liner notes on CD says recorded December 13, 1970. Wasn't this recorded in late 1969?
- Immigrant Song alternate take - Liner notes said recorded May 29, 1970. If correct, that means it was recorded before the Iceland show (June 22, 1970). Either this date is wrong, or Plant is pulling our leg that he wrote the lyrics to IS during that trip to Iceland, which he has claimed on more than one occasion. Listening to the first live airing at Bath six days after Iceland, he barely sings any of the lyrics he wrote. I know Plant has a fuzzy memory at times, but I'm leaning towards the liner notes having the wrong recording dates.
What do you think? Maybe both dates are wrong, as the person doing Jimmy Page on this day website may have also written the liner notes for Zep 3 re-issue!
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Maybe not the best, but pretty darn good!
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Great so far, music speaks for itself on the companion disc. Amazing! Random thoughts:
- Outstanding Jimmy! Thanks for the spinning wheel on the CD!!! Very nice touch!!!
- Two date credits in the liner notes are confusing me:
- First one: Jenning Farm Blues - Liner notes on CD say December 13, 1970. Shouldn't it be December 1969? Thought that was proven in other threads that this was recorded in December 1969
- Second one: Immigrant song alternate take: says recorded May 29, 1970. If correct this means it was recorded before the Iceland show June 22, 1970. Either that date is wrong, or Plant is pulling our leg that he wrote the lyrics to Immigrant Song during that trip to Iceland, which he has claimed on more than one occasion. No doubt Plant has a fuzzy memory at times, but when I listen to him singing Immigrant Song lyrics for Bath Festival six days after the Iceland show, he barely sings any of the lyrics he wrote. So, I'm leaning in the direction that Jimmy has the wrong date for this alternate recorded version as well.
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Steve,
Channelling back 41 years ago for this mystery: Zep finishes their European tour in Paris on April 2, and has 32 days to get ready for opening night in Atlanta, USA. In between, some massive changes are occurring for the '73 USA Tour: from incorporating major PR for the first time supporting any USA tour, to a major upgrade in the stage show (big lighting changes to dry ice, etc...). Then add an overhaul of the set list: add Celebration Day, Bring It On Home into before Black Dog, No Quarter for the first time ever, and in lieu of the big medley in the middle of Whole Lotta Love, we go to a reinstated, compact Moby Dick, into Heartbreaker, into WLL with just the Let That Boy Boogie middle segment. Encores now include either The Ocean, played infrequently since its US debut at the end of the '72 US Tour, and Communication Breakdown, which hadn't been performed in awhile either.
We do have sound check photos from Atlanta, presumably due to now playing in large stadiums for the first time ever, but other than that, allegedly some rehearsals at Shepperton Studios in April 1973.
While they certainly were in peak live performance mode, and had most of the songs for the main American set list down, the mystery question is: how much time did Zep spend rehearsing at Shepperton? Do you know of any other songs rehearsed that may not have made the set list?
I'm so intrigued by this transitional period, because there were a lot of adjustments needed to be made for the live act between Europe and the new US shows. I can only imagine the pressure as well, with the PR behind the tour for the first time. For me, April 1973 is a very fascinating, pivotal month in Led Zep history, and was wondering if you could detail all you know about this period, and specifically, the rehearsals.
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Sounds plausible on the surface, but if it were true don't you think one of the band members would have substantiated it by now? Aside from that, we must remember it was an era of excess and self-indulgence; the scaled-down approach of 1980 was long overdue. I've said it before, within every bloated '77 show is a killer 90 minute concert just dying to be heard. Given the choice between a three hour noise fest or a tight 90 minute showcase I would have suggested the showcase format. However, as we know now, that would have been like suggesting the skinny ties of 1980 in 1977.
I'm pretty sure Steve that Robert himself said so. Either in that LA Times interview following the Dallas opening show, or possibly referencing the first couple shows on the tour, where his foot was in pain having to stand as long as he did during the show (I can't remember where I read it, but the pain occurred early in the tour and was referencing either the Dallas, OKC, or the first Chicago dates).
Allegedly his foot was not completely healed at the start of the '77 tour, and commentary was written supporting this (again, can't remember where I read this). I'll tell you who could verify this, and from the posts I've read, you've been in touch with him: Richard Cole.
That said, maybe the 1977 set list somewhat accommodated his recovery, and yes, at this point, numbers like No Quarter were not going to be reduced in minutes after it's gradual length increase from 1973 to 1975. So, I'd meet in the middle and suggest it was a combination of both.
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Whilst I appreciate the actual live experience of seeing the laser pyramid was exciting, it still doesn't excuse the utter noise, and to be fair, poor guitar playing that this showcased. As Dazed was dropped form the set it seemed the logical way of Jimmy playing his trademark bow solo, I understand that, and it did pre introduce Achilles fairly well. But come on. Tom is right a Theremin solo without the groove and Plant wailing? It didn't work. And yes from the Eddie show " We've had the guitar lesson!"
This is a band with an extensive catalogue and talent which is without question. The band could have introduced a few more songs from Presence or maybe some more from PG. Of course you had to "be there" or really wasted to appreciate what was going on at the time. Zeppelin were quite rightly the best live band going at that time.They broke every attendance record in the book, but for me I would take a 2 1/2 hour set of great rocking tunes pre 77 then a 3 hour set of over indulgence.
I have to also question Black Mountain Side/White summer on the set list. Again it did segue well into Kashmir but it was over long and quite frankly out of place. I remember it being played at Knebworth on the 4th, it didn't work there either or on the Tour of Europe in 1980.
Listen I'm not a hater - far from it. But you really have to think: Did Punk have a case to answer?
One thing to remember: Robert was in pain this tour, recovering from his 1975 accident in Greece. He needed breaks onstage, which is why the inclusion of the acoustic set for the first time since 1972 (not including Earl's Court) was necessary for their most grueling tour schedule to date (and I think most of us agree that with the start of the 3rd leg being an exception, his voice was in top form throughout the 1977 tour).
Robert needed to relax with his feet up backstage during No Quarter, Over The Top and the Noise Solo, etc... This sometimes get overlooked as a reason why the long solos from Jimmy, Jonesy and Bonzo during the 1977 tour.
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I'm sorry everyone for my proven error in uploading the wrong image associated with the Foreigner jam appearance. I should have checked the page in Dave's book more closely. In the book, it does go into detail about the Munich appearance on the page left of the picture, and then below the picture, it does mention the December 12 appearance, with much less description. Basis that London description (says Jimmy used a cream telecaster), plus Steve's picture in his recent post proves I uploaded the wrong picture.
Another vote for Roger helping us! I can't wait to see the correct Munich photos as well!
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NOW THATS how a true fan gives a brother fan a "true visual" THANKS!
its pretty rare ,im sure everyone would love to see it if u can post it,
The Firm Thread
in Pre / Post-Zeppelin Forum
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Pretty sure this one is during Radioactive. Loved this song then, still love it now!