Phonostage
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HI - Whereabouts do you live? Are you in the UK?
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HI Stuevts
11 hours ago, Stuevts said:I always wondered about this pressing. You would figure the RL would have the earlier A1/B1 matrix numbers. I also wondered why they wouldn’t go back to the original Ludwig mastered tapes for the represses and why they use Peckham to recut the album. Anybody compare the Porky/Pecko to the RL Sterling? I’ve been on the hunt for a Porky/Pecko copy for years.
Have you seen a copy like this before then? I can't find it on Discogs or anywhere.. I would like to be able to describe it better to people.. best offer so far is a 4th press though it doesn't match any I have seen... I would possibly be able to have a listen and see how it compares with other pressings if I know what I am listening for. I haven't got the best system set up at the moment.. the Pink Triangle is in lockdown in the South with Arthur Khoubessarian.. so I am left with the Technics..!
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Oh yes - and mine has no Stirling either - I should have said.. it is just A1/B1 Porky/Pecko and no more, with a Warner logo on the labels and no 'Made in UK'.. no Strawberry, No Mary, No Sterling, No W-3 and no W-4 and no 'Made In UK'...
The 4th pressings I have seen all have 'Made In UK'
I am not sure where to go with this - what to describe it as.. it it unique? Transitional maybe? If this is a rare or unique copy then does anybody keep any record of these who would be interested? Or is there just Discogs? (not decrying Discogs here of course..)
I can not find any A side anywhere that has K50014 A1 Pecko and nothing else..
It may be the B side of this release [r6890966]
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HI - Many thanks, it probably is a version of the fourth pressing based on what you say. I did put the search 'Houses Of The Holy' into Discogs with 'Pecko' selected in the advanced search and there are four results. One is very close but mine does not actually match any of them.. it has not got W-3 or W-4 on it. when compared to the closest match, so it must be a variation of the four listed. I will pitch it as a fourth press and will sell it as I have maybe three of these in stock and also have one in my own collection. I do appreciate the help and if you find or think of anything else then please add it.. it helps my learning as there is so much to know about these pressings when they don't fit into the obvious descriptions.. I am sure it is the same with pressings of many other bands and artists.. the Beatles is a minefield! But there are experts all around it seems.. Thanks all
Tony
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HI everyone.. I haven't been on here for a while. I was just having a look through the threads to see if I can find out a bit more info about a copy of Houses of the Holy that I have here. I am sure the answer is simple however having scoured Discogs I just can't find an exact match for this copy...
It does NOT have 'Made in UK' on the labels
It does NOT have W3 o the matrices
It Does have A1/B1 Matrices
It does have a Warner logo
It does have Porky/Pecko
Hope you can help here.. this one is not on Discogs and I just don't know where else to look
Thanks for the help in advance
Tony
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19 hours ago, gibsonfan159 said:
Upload to YouTube and share the link.
HI - I tried youtube first but it wouldn't let me do it as it is not a video....
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Thanks. Do you know if these edits exist on any non-bootleg material? They’re not like this on the complete BBC sessions release... they don’t have so much talking or clapping. Thanks
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17 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
Unsure how savvy you are with computers but perhaps the quickest and easiest way to share it is to upload it to You Tube.
I've done the savvy thing.. here are a couple of clips now...
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He might be right but it would be fun to post it.. any tips?
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Here we are - a couple of clips.. tried to get a bit of talking on both and the odd reverb on Stairway to Heaven - hope this is of some interest..
Drat! Just tried and it won't let me attach an audio file! Any ideas anyone? Do I have to get an account with someone I will never use again?
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Were they recorded by devices at the show or were they studio recordings? Thanks
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16 minutes ago, SteveAJones said:
Anyone may have written that on the label in the intervening years. I defer to Sam's assessment, however, the only way to know for certain is to hear the content. The content either contains previously unheard Robert Plant banter or it doesn't.
Righto - I will do a bit of editing (It's one mega-file at the moment!) and upload the clips.. that'll be the teller - hopefully! Thanks
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9 hours ago, sam_webmaster said:
The songs were released on the fourth LP later the same year as this BBC session, which aired just a few days after being recorded in April '71.
Personally, I don't think that acetate is legit.
HI - No sorry what I meant was these versions of the songs weren't released for many years. They were recorded live for a John peel session in the case of two of them. They then appeared on The Complete BBC Sessions in 2016, however these versions as I said are not edited the same, they include Robert Plant introducing the songs 'Here's a little something off our 4th album' and other rambles rather then just beginning at the beginning of the track, also it is a mix that didn't make it though to the final one as the reverb is being messed about with at the beginning of Robert's vocal track on Stairway to Heaven that is not present or is reduced on the released 2016 version. This is on Robert's vocals only so has not been applied globally by a live hacker transcribing the disc at some stage later. This is a recording of a mix of a released song that has been transcribed to disc in the middle of mixing or similar.
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They were actually unreleased for many years after this was made.. would it help if I uploaded a couple of clips?
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Any actual graphologists out there worth their salt care to interject here? We are at risk of drifting off on a tangent!
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That is not true - it is clearly different, look at the 'E's.
One writes the E with either one vertical line in a curve or two max, leaving only either one or two horizontals to add - the other one vertical and three horizontal lines every time. That is a fundamental difference and there are a few others.
Thanks
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Also of course these are not the same writing. The photo where the writing is in red is by another hand.
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That may be so however the Beatles reference supposes that the tracks are just copies of those already released, this contains wider edits than those that made it to the BBC published recordings of these tracks. And some different (or unmixed) mixing. I can provide clips of some of the bits that haven't made it onto the complete BBC sessions or the Acetate Masters... Also what you see above (the Beatles reference) is just an opinion, on the Moody Blues forum someone confirmed that the IBC discs of this type were made as one-offs for producers and engineers to test mixes.
What seems to make the difference is whether or not they are the same as the album or released tracks or if they were different edits or mixes. These are different.
See here:
https://991.com/Buy/ProductInformation.aspx?StockNumber=574641&PrinterFriendly=1
and here:
http://www.themoodyblues.co.uk/acetates.htm
check the picture of the IBC disc with 'A DB DISC' written on it then scroll down to point 2 in the 'What are acetates?' section
I have now read around quite a lot here and recorded the file into the computer - (which has only served to enhance any noise and the record sounds better at the moment ) - but I don't want to play the record any more than necessary, I have heard they wear quickly - so I will edit the sound file and upload some clips. I am now convinced because of Robert Plant's banter, the different tape pitch of one of the tracks and the overall sound which is much clearer and studio-like then the BBC sessions which is heavily edited and de-noised, that this is a studio test run of rejected mixes - hence the screwed up reverb on 'Stairway To Heaven' amongst other things....
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Hi. I have checked and the three tracks are exactly the same as the BBC sessions, I checked evert note! just different mixes or editing and not cropped down as much as the released versions. Definitely a studio sound. Dead clear apart from the crackes, no way recorded by a device at a venue
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Sorry I should have added - they are three live tracks, two from the Paris Theatre in 1971 and then White Summer from the Playhouse Theatre in 1969
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Does anyone know where this might have come from? After some careful listening it is a mono version of three tracks that appear on other releases but they are a different sounding mix, one a different pitch or speed and also with less top/tail edits so you can hear Robert Plant say things like 'this is the time where we usually do have a cup of tea..' etc.. also the mix is clearly different at the beginning of Stairway to Heaven where the reverb is all over the place.. Could these be scrapped mixes or something? I was told that this was the producer's copy from recording. It has Space Odyssey tracks on the other side! I would like any information anyone can give me because I haven't seen another disc like it. This is an IBC Acetate - it is quite heavy and probably has a metal base. Thanks
Houses of the Holy mystery pressing.. Can anyone help?
in Led Zeppelin Master Forum
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Ahh - it's ok.. I was thinking I could lend it to you to give a quick spin to compare it.. if you were to pay the postage. It's a bit prohibitive being so far away.. It is ultimately going up for sale with all the others but a play or two won't devalue it any!