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1 hour ago, Michael Fry said:
Good news, Gratefulzepp! Check out guitars101 for a lossless source. Kickthekato has just re-upped a link, valid for a month.
Rock on! Thanks for the heads up. Gonna check it out now.
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2 hours ago, Michael Fry said:
Any luck finding it in flac? The website Zoso.me seems to have had it but the link has been disabled and all other links (e.g. Guitar101) are dead. The first disc is available for download on Black Beauty in mp3 320. That's all I can find. I saw your request and Conneyfogel's answer and so I used a YouTube converter to get the audio but it's only a 128 mp3 so it would be nice to get a higher bitrate. Frustrating!
No luck. I tried guitars101 as well with the same result. I'll take the 128 mp3 for now until a flac is located. That Dazed and Celebration are real good from this show. I'll keep looking.
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56 minutes ago, Michael Fry said:
OK. This is weird. I have just posted my own version of this topic, not realising you had done the same! What alerted you to this show?
I have been trying to find the definitive versions of a few shows and stumbled on this by accident on the youtube, never realising that EV had released a new source of this a few years back. The old sources were a tough listen but this sounds wonderful, and I think it puts this show up with the other Japan dates.
Check it out. Hoping someone has a flac download because I can't find a complete download of this anywhere on the internet!
Wow, yeah this is the version I was listening to that made me bring up this topic. All other sources I've listened to in the past were cruddy, but this version is actually enjoyable. I asked Conneyfogel, the person who posted this YouTube link if there was a downloadable link. Conney told me to get YouTube downloader to get the audio. This has to be the best known source to date from this show. I just decided to revisit this show since the board tape of 928 was released and we have 929 now. I always liked the acoustic set from this show.
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11 minutes ago, goldenretreiver157 said:
the band is on fire all nights in japan, hiroshima is no exception.
I agree! That whole tour was the peak of their powers. Each night has it's own special element about it. The first night at Budokan has some of Plants best vocals and the band is on fire. Same as the following night. Both Osaka shows are great as well. I lean more towards the 29th but the new SBD of the 28th is...WOW! I just think the 27th gets over looked and the Dazed from this show is unique just like the others. The interplay between Page & Jones especially. And that Celebration Day. The hero once again is Jone's bass!
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Hey everyone. Hope all of you are doing well during these strange and scary times. One of the few things I've been doing during this stay at home stuff is listening to more Zepp boots to pass the time. One over looked show I decided to give a listen to is Zepp at Hiroshima just the day before there 2 day stay in Osaka. Sound quality is about average but listenable. Maybe not the strongest show of the 5 nights in Japan but I gotta say there are a few gems in this show.
For instance, the version of Dazed & Confused from this show smokes! Page and Jone's in particular are playing some interesting stuff in the second half. It's a tight but loose version but in a good way. Very unique version. My go to from this tour is the second night in Osaka which I've always loved. Check out this Dazed from the 27th. I think this version is tied for my favorite next to 929.
Celebration Day is also a really good one. Even with the rough audience recording it's a great listen. I think I like this one better than the 28th. Tighter and more interesting. The jam at the end smokes and I'd put it up there with the second night in Osaka and Toronto on the 4th.
Plants voice cracks a few times during Immigrant Song but the Immigrant/Heartbreaker is another well played version. The acoustic set sounds sweet as well with Jones throwing in a touch of "Everyday People" in the middle of That's The Way. I really wish a sound board would come out of this show someday.
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The March run on the '75 tour has Zeppelin finally warmed up and firing on all or most cylinders. Not peak Zepp but some hot ones. I wonder why they lost their fire by that May. Earl's Court has 2 good No Quarters from the 18th & 23rd. The Dazed from the 24th is good and like I said above, the acoustic set was a nice addition. I would've thought that playing on your home turf, Plants flu done with, etc...the band would've been tighter and sounded better than any of the better shows from March. I'd still buy an official release of the Earl's Court shows if Page released them but it wouldn't be in my top 5 releases to listen to on repeat.
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3 hours ago, Walter said:
Oops!
Yes actually reading the thread title helps...🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, stick to the topic man! Hehe. Seriously, the original TSRTS version is a classic. That ending solo is up there with Page's best live solo's. I have to re-listen to the Orlando one.
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On 3/7/2020 at 7:45 AM, zeplz71 said:
I still have this very silver cd. This was the first CD from '71 I ever heard back in 1994. JPJ's bass playing on this particular version is insane.
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They both are great! I get to listen to boots I don't have in my collection, or used to have! They both do great work putting these shows out there and in the best quality. Brining us old and new fans together.
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I love the new SBD of the 28th. It's def a good version, I prefer the 29th a little more but they both are scorchers! I think '71 was the best year for this song.
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I've been a Zeppelin fan since I was a child. I'm as big of a fan as all of you on here. I've been collecting bootlegs since 1993 when I got introduced to a store in Greenwich Village here in NYC. I remember when I got deep into my bootleg obsession and had a healthy Zeppelin bootleg collection I found I couldn't get into the 1975 tour too much. I tried, there are some decent gems from that tour but Plants vocals and Jimmys increasing sloppiness, I would usually skip that tour. Now to the topic at hand...
Through out the years I've noticed that the Earl's Court shows are very popular among us Zepp freaks. Hardcore fans wish Page would release the Earls Court shows officially and it's talked about a lot. Granted there are some nice gems from those 5 nights, I never understood why these shows are so favored for? Plants voice sounds wrecked more times than not, Page plays goods here and there but is mostly sloppy. The band at times sound tired and uninspired. There's a couple of good No Quarters, the acoustic sets are decent enough and Tangerine sounds nice on the double neck but, I feel the Earl's Court shows are rather average at best. I know it's a matter of opinion of course. I was just wondering why these shows are a fan favorite and why us hardcore fans want an official release so bad? Would be interested in all your opinions on this.
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Not sure if this has been covered in a stand alone thread here. I was just listening to the Hampton Rhodes show from 9/9/71 which by the way is a blistering show. Jimmy is ON! The first '71 Celebration Day I ever heard was the one from Toronto just 5 nights earlier when I bought the silver cd called Jennings Farm Blues in the early 90's. Then that same month I got the Hampton show, the version with JPJ's bass on the left channel. My top 3 Celebration Day's from '71 are as follows...
9/9/71
9/4/71 (But easily tied with the 9th)
9/29/71
I love the solo from the 9th the best. Just love what Jimmy does! What are your favorite Celebration Day's from 1971?
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I also wish a board of the Hiroshima show from 9/27 would surface. But yeah, 9/23 is a strong one as is the following night.
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If the Japanese shows were recorded, I don't understand why Page has never released them. Even if the sound wasn't up to his standards. The Dead, even King Crimson for christ sake has released soundboards or average recordings from their archives.
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Although these are really cool I must admit, I'm still a bit disappointed on how the 50th anniversary was such a let down for such a big band such as Zeppelin. King Crimson has been releasing a bunch of goodies for their 50th on youtube with a boxed set coming out. The Grateful Dead put out a really cool 50th anniversary set of the AOXOMOXOA album and they always release archival stuff. The Allman Bros. have a bunch of archival releases, the new Hendrix & Band Of Gypsys set for the 50th anniversary of those gigs! Pink Floyd as well have been releasing archival stuff too. Jimmy Page mentioned about live stuff we haven't heard coming soon and then...nothing! I'm sure he has more shows in his personal collection. Why is it that with Zeppelin there's never anything that ever comes out other than re-re-remasters with some gold nuggets mixed in with a majority of stuff left off or edited down? All these other bands put out amazing things and the other 50th anniversary's have been exciting except for Zepp. We get sneakers, hot wheels, tapestries, and a book with photo's a majority of us have seen already. We've all heard the bootlegs, we knowwhat they sounded like live through out their career. They were hot from 69 thru 73 and 77 has some decent performances. I love Zeppelin. I'm a lifelong fan but this 50th has been a let down.
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Now back on the original topic
Were there any other songs on the 1990 boxed set that were remixed and not just remastered? Quite honestly, I like how TSRTS sounds on this boxed set compared to the original HOTH version. I really couldn't tell from what I've heard if there were any other "remixes" on the boxed set.
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3 hours ago, gibsonfan159 said:
And the single album releases were from the 94 remasters, correct? As in, no individual CD release was based on the 1990 remasters and they only exist on that boxed set?
Correct. After the 4 cd boxed set in 1990 and the follow up of the 2nd two disc set in 1993 each album was individually released in 1994 with boosted levels. One good example is if you look at the wav file of Hey Hey What Can I Do from the 1990 set and compare it to the bonus track on the 1994 release/remaster of Coda, there's a big difference in the size of the wav and over all playback volume. Same goes for when you see the size of the wav's for Zepp IV in the '94 release.
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4 hours ago, gibsonfan159 said:
On this topic, I've been very interested lately in comparing the audio/mix levels between all the different releases. Starting maybe by collecting all the releases of a single album and running them through a spectrum analyzer. Anyone know if this has already been done?
I've uploaded some of the audio from the 80's cd's, 1990 remasters, 1994 remasters and the current 2014 ones. Just some select tracks to see the difference in the wav's. As far as remasters go, the 1990 boxed set looks the best in as far as there's no brick walling or clipping. The 1994 remasters a clipped and mildly compressed compared to the 1990 remasters. A little harsher on the ears in spots. The 2014 remasters thankfully aren't brick walled or clipped but there is some compression here and there. Sound wise, in my opinion I like a little of the 80's cd's and the 1990 remasters sonically. I do love how II thru IV, Presence & ITTOD sound from the 2014's.
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I wasn't aware that there were other remixes on the boxed set. I know they were remastered. The faster fade outs I know about. The noise intro to Immigrant Song was snipped, etc. TSRTS to my ears sounds like the only remixed track on the set.
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Hey everyone. When I got the Zepp boxed set in 1990 I noticed something different with The Song Remains The Same. It sounded slightly different mix wise. The lead guitar in the beginning sounds higher in the mix, the guitars pop out a bit better. I thought then it must be because it was just eq'd differently and I'm not used to it. When I'd listen every now and again, I couldn't put my finger on it but it was just the eq that was different. Then, just a couple of weeks ago I was listening to some of the 1990 remasters again just for the hell of it with headphones. This time I heard the difference. Not only do the guitars sound like their mixed a little higher, but at the 1:38 mark theres a little guitar run that pans from the right to left. That doesn't happen on the Houses Of The Holy version. I checked the original Diament one, the 1994 and the recent 2014 remasters. TSRTS sounds like it was remixed on the 1990 boxed set. Did anybody ever notice that or wanna look into that to make sure my ears aren't deceiving me?
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Q1043 here in New York Carol Miller still gets the Led out Monday thru Friday at 8pm. Mondays she does a whole hour of Zepp from 8-9. Back in the early 90's she'd once in a while play tracks from Zurich in 1980. That's how I found out about that concert and started me on wanting more rare live stuff.
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I don't know. As awesome as it was to hear the unheard La La, that wasn't exactly a finished song either. Neither was Carrot/Ribs or St. Tristan's Sword. We still got quite a few good nuggets on those companion discs but I did find it odd that Page did say he didn't wanna release anything that was bootlegged already but yet he put on Jennings Farm, Bathroom Sound/Out On The Tiles, Four Sticks (Alt. Mix), Boogie With Stu, The version of In The Light on the Physical Graffiti disc, etc. Swan Song could've and should've been added to the Graffiti companion since A) That disc was way to short, more stuff from those sessions could've been added, B ) As I listed the bootlegged tracks that got released anyways. Oh well, it is what it is. Not complaining, just didn't make any sense. I'm just glad I have the boots I do and the one's that have been coming out in the last year or 2. Not wasting my time energy believing we'll see any new live releases from Page.
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I just wish there was a better aud recording or an unedited SBD of that Dazed from 7/27. I think that was Page at his absolute peak right there. He never reached that level again after July '73.
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I've always held the Dazed & Confused from the Paris Theater '71 to be ONE of my favorites. Maybe it's because when I first started to really get into Zeppelin when I was 13 and first heard the BBC concert series on WNEW FM here in New York play that show I really liked that version of Dazed. I have a soft spot for that version. But, I'd have to say the original Song Remains The Same soundtrack version is amazing on so many levels. Even though it's edited in a few spots, it's still a killer version. But then you delve into all the bootlegs and there's a treasure trove of excellent versions. Osaka 929, Berkeley 9-14-71, Adelaide 2-19-72, Vienna 3-16-73, and finally Hamburg 3-21-73 are in my tops for my favorite versions of Dazed & Confused.
Were there any other songs on the 1990 boxed set that were remixed and not just remastered? Quite honestly, I like how TSRTS sounds on this boxed set compared to the original HOTH version. I really couldn't tell from what I've heard if there were any other "remixes" on the boxed set.
Hiroshima 927 - Over Looked?
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Yep. This is the version! Thanks for tracking it down.