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I'm sorry, I just don't agree. I was once a fan of the man, and now I'm not. Guitar playing should say something beyond 'look what I can do', and I don't really hear EVH doing that.
And again, his "innovation" was an evolutionary dead end. No one taps anymore, no one uses the wang bar anymore.
And can I just say . . . thank GOD. Give me Derek Trucks seven days a week and twice on Sundays.
Yes, but no one plays Page-esque solos anymore either....so that is a moot point. Fact is...EVH did in fact turn the guitar playing world upside down for quite some time. An entire genre of music was spawned from it. There would not have been the entire 80's glam rock scene had it not been for VH....(even though I can't f-ing stand a single one of those bands) I still have to give EVH credit for that. Everyone tried to play like VH...which also meant everyone stopped trying to be Page......that is until GnR came around.
Just to clarify, Page is by all means my favorite musician, but also being a guitarist that's been playing for 25 years, I know who the most influentual guitarists are....Hendrix #1, EVH #2.......but if you want to talk about bands, Beatles #1, Zep #2.
and thumbs up on Derek Trucks.....IMO even more skilled as a player than Duane ever was. And that's saying a mouthful!
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And if you were a real bitch you could point out that in 2008 EVH can still play like he did in 1977. Unfortunately so can Page.
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Most of mine averaged around $10-15 per # of records. But that was before cd's...and LONG before cdr's.....and many of them were excellent. I can still remember racing home to put on a new one...of course never knowing what to expect (often dates were wrong, songs were out of concert running order, etc..) and having my head explode with the joy of hearing my first true sbd live Zep recording!! And collecting those LP boots was alot more meaningful to me than having a cabinet full of 100's of cdr's. I do miss the old boots. I still have some...a few picture discs and such.every vinyl bootlegs i've seen, so far, were all around 40-50$and they weren't that good...
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Well depending on the label, some of theose old vinyl boots can fetch a nice price. Especially the rarer ones. As already mentioned there were so many knockoff labels in the mid/late 80's. I stated my venture into Vinyl boot collecting around 78-9. I had a friend who's father owned a small chain of used record stores. (one in Annapolis, one in Bowie, and one in College Park...all in Maryland...called The Record And Tape Exchange) I used to skip school, handout in the Bowie shop, smoke weed and pick tunes to play from the biggest unsealed record collection you could think of. Whenever the bought shitloads of records from people, my friends would have me stock them...and in turn I got to pick a few records to keep. Of course I always went right to the Zep section and pulled one of the many boots they always carried. By 1985, I think I had over 60 titles.....just Zep. I had many colored vinyl boots, picture discs, 78 sized discs that played at 33 1/3. Shaped discs (had one shaped like a blimp.....never seen another like it), boxed sets...etc..... Then my girlfriend went away to college in New Orleans and I was only making like $3.15 an hr back then....so I took all my money, bought a plane ticket to go to NO from New Years till Mardi Gras....had two suitcases, one with clothes, the other w/ Zep boots and for the next two months lived off of selling them a handfull at a time at various record stores around the French Market and Jackson Square. I miss those old boots....but...yes, she was worth it! Wherever she is.
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nice to get a quote from an actionfigure.
when i was but a wee lad, my oldest brother...7 yrs the wiser...would not allow Kiss on his turntable....much less in the house...on the grounds they were actionfigures (this was in the late 70's)
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Saw them May 1st 85 and March 19th 86........both at the Capital Centre. I still remember them well. In 85 I bought the black shirt w/ the blue firm logo in the front.......in 86 I got the black shirt w/ Jimmy in the Stormtrooper getup on the front. Had REALLY good seats (like most of my Cap Centre shows back then as I had the ultimate hookup) It was really great...at the time.
Sadly, today I can hardly make it through a Firm album....or Outrider for that matter. They just sound too damn dated. It's that dreaded 80's production value thing again!
What I do listen to are the few choice sbd's from either tour, the pro recorded Westwood One show, and the outtakes and pre Firm XYZ session which is where a couple Firm tunes stemmed from. (this was the basement session that got Jimmy to pick up a guitar for the first time since Bonzo's death. Jimmy's neighbor Chris Squire (from Yes) talked Jimmy into coming out of his funk and the two along w/ Alan White did some jamming and kicked around w/ a handfull of tunes. Some made it into the Firm catelog, others wound up on Yes's comeback album 90210.
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And I also wish Heartbreaker was included. Shame they couldn't find the last reel for that.
I don't believe there ever was a last reel. From listening to what there is of Heartbreaker....I clearly hear the reel run out of magnetic tape and the leader tape run over the playback heads. It truly is a heartbreaker every time I listen to it.
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Living in Canada is like living on the top floor of an apartment, there's always a kick ass party downstairs, but you're never invited!
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How the West Was Won is MUCH better. I'd honestly rate Song Remains the Same at two and a half stars, and How the West Was Won at 4.5. The show for TSRTS is, well, boring. Dull. There is no energy behind it in a lot of parts. Jimmy is on, but Robert is pretty far gone. Just listen to Rock and Roll... where's the fire? Where's the punch? The same can be said about a lot of songs on that album.
I'd never say MUCH better, if fact I prefer 73......but I understand people's love for the fire of a 72 show. To me, in 72, Zep was still in a mentality of conquer by sheer stage prowess. Each member was in peak performance condition......but to my ears they sometimes went a bit over the top. In 73, they KNEW they had conquered and were now enjoying the spoils. They played the biggest venues of each market and the band played with a comfort which lent to the fluidity of the music. Each member, although not in 100% prime (especially Plant, who blew out his voice or had nodes on the vocal cords) ,seemed to take a baby step back for the good of each song. No one was stepping on anyone else's toes musically, and the band was performing the way I believe they invisioned the difinitive versions of those songs to be. It's the one year in live Zep where I can really close my eyes and focus on the beauty of the song instead of either picking out one members performance....or having it thrown in my face.
72 was like a top fuel dragster revving up and down, peaking at red line levels........73 was a Ferarri cruising at 120 mph on an open highway.
I'll take the Ferarri.
and just for the ringer....the version of No Quarter from TSRTS, is BY FAR my favorite version and contains what I consider Page's most beautiful guitar work of his entire stage career.
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I think he's sexiest in the general forums.
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IMHO, Page did'nt know where the hell he was until WLL at the Southampton gig. Dancing Days is pretty decent, but there's definitely some embarrasing moments in that show for him for the first 3/4 of it....and he'd never put the whole thing out there. How Many More Times kicks some serious ass though.I'd say of the 2 HTWWW just edges it for me, though as someone stated above I also think the BBC sessions is much better. I also prefer the Southampton 1973 Kevin Shirley mixdown boot to those 2 you ask about, it's a much more intimate show with good banter with Plant & the crowd, no Moby Dick or any excessive solo's and to me it's a stellar performance all round, and I wish it would be released officially.Graham
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IIRC, was'nt the famous Anderson Theater show (semi-) "officially" released....and very quickly shelved right after the breakup of the Yardbirds because it contained tunes Page wanted to save for the future band.
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Sorry but I notice a huge difference. Maybe you never grew up w/ vinyl, reel to reel, and a hi end audio system, but my ears can tell. It's lifeless and tiring to the ears. And the people that make the music will be the first to tell you that. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/327...mp3sound13.htmlSorry to bust your bubble but there's really not much of a difference Flac's just take more space.You go ahead and buy/listen less than 1/10th of what's supposed to be there. I'll pass. It's all about quick $$, not quality.
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I'll take the vinyl version of TSRTS for sound quality over any of the cd's. Shirley punched the levels, then compressed them to death, taking the life out of the sound... ...just like all the production of the last 15 yrs. It really chaps my ass......but what do you expect from a world that has been in decline as far as audio quality. You'd think there would be advances like w/ tv-hdtv......but NOOOOO! Friggin kids and their mp3's are sending music back into a world of sound quality comparable to mono AM radio.
Wake up and join the audiophile world! Demand more out of your music. Stop it w/ the damn mp3's!!!!!! Todays music on cd is mastered to be geared for optimum mp3 listening...and the cd's themselves get the shaft!!!
Jimmy vs. Eddie
in Led Zeppelin Newbies
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I guess you've never heard Page at his worst? .......and the rest of your statements are regarding Led Zeppelin Vs VH, not Page vs Eddie.....VH did'nt have Bonham, Jones, or Plant. Page is nothing more than 1/4 of greatness.