Meg, Thank you for your helpful, constructive suggestions! And you are correct that litigation is most often NOT the best solution--but I am suggesting that it may not be necessary to bring an actual suit in this case (more on that in a second). And although I must differ with your contention that the only people who win in lawsuits are lawyers, YOU ARE CORRECT that in many (if not most?) class actions, (as opposed to non-class actions), the actual litigants are often left with very little to show for it, while the firms involved reap millions in billable hours. However, believe it or not, I'm not here to either defend or attack lawyers, who can defend themselves. (The profession was not for me, but that is a personal decision--others may love being lawyers, to which I say "Great--as long as you're using your talents for GOOD, not EVIL.") I just want to make clear, again, that I did not think it would be necessary to actually sue--rather, I think that your online petition is a great first step and, armed with a sufficient number of signatures of paid subscribers, such a petition could be used to present the threat of a lawsuit, which I believe (and hope!) would be enough. Regarding your idea of a letter writing campaign: I've already written my letters, and made my calls, to no avail. However, an online petition may be a good first step, if for no other reason than to gauge how much interest is present, here, in pursuing some effort to get Sirius-XM to reinstate the LZ channel. (And I am certainly willing to write another letter, for such a campaign!) But I will have to ask someone who knows the Mod Sqad here to explain how that might be set up, as I am but a "newbie." Certainly, an organized effort to promote a letter writing campaign would also be much more effective than the few emails I, and others, have sent, to no avail. So...I don't know the protocols here--does someone have to ask for an online "poll" to be taken on such a question, e.g., regarding whether or not a petition and letter-writing campaign could be undertaken? Or should the question just be asked directly in a new thread? Perhaps a Mod or someone more experienced than I could explain how such a campaign and petition could actually get started here? Peace. DoItWhenYouWanna

Sharon, Thank you very much for your support! You make great points about Sinatra and Elvis, to which I would add the observation that XM did not even have to "bounce" another channel off of the air when they powered up Channel 59, so they cannot use the argument that they needed the bandwidth. As you say, if Sinatra and Elvis live on, then LZ could too. I too am not "into" lawsuits--not even the defense of lawsuits--LOL! So much so that I abandoned the very practice of law, after only one year, and took my $90,000. in loans/expenses and paid them off with nonlegal work. I hated the practice of law, personally, but I respect those who can do it (for the right reasons!) and who are good at it. However, all that being said, I've made the one suggestion I feel has the best chance of working (at least the threat of a class action suit) IF, in fact, a petition falls on deaf ears. But perhaps Meg's petition will work? I dunno.... So, please allow me to gently redirect your excellent question to yourself and others because, as I say, I've already offered the one "big idea" I've had on this mess. Perhaps a letter mentioning your observations about Elvis and Sinatra would get some traction? I don't know.... So, because I'm out of ideas, I will ask you, and (almost) anyone else, who may have fresh ideas: "Isn't there some other way we can get them to bring it back for us???" DoItWhenYouWanna

Hey, docron--REALLY? I mean, FOR REALS? Wow...that is some kind of "Ready, Fire--AIM!" complex you've got goin' over there, buddy! Holy CRAP! *Phew!* Okay...I'm gonna keep this simple, so even YOU can understand it, as you've obviously got severe reading comprehension problems. A. I no longer practice law--I gave it up after only one year, 15 years ago, because of people like you, WHO CAN'T (or won't?) READ! (No offense--just sayin'....) B. I mentioned that we needn't actually bring a lawsuit--as I said, even the mere THREAT of a lawsuit would get the attention of the jackasses at XM that, as has been demonstrated, do NOT respond to polite customer calls and emails (I know from personal experience). C. If you had bothered to actually read my post, (instead of snatching the word "lawsuit" and running with it, braying it like a rabid hyena) you would have learned MY SUGGESTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! (Docron, you know NOTHING of me! I'm an environmentalist who left the corp. world to do an unpaid radio show about the environment!) If I was "greedy" I wouldn't be doing unpaid work because I believed in the cause, would I? (Man I can't stand people who don't read a post accurately and then "go off" half-cocked!) Specifically, if we never actually bring a lawsuit, because the mere threat of one was enough to get XM to reinstate the Led Zeppelin channel, then we would each make as much money on this as you have demonstrated reading comprehension skills--i.e., Z-E-R-O. You get it? I suggested an actual lawsuit might not be needed--just the threat of one might make XM listen to us and reinstate Channel 59. So, with no actual lawsuit, there is ZERO POSSIBILITY of any money being awarded, right? Okay, ready? Deep breath: No lawsuit filed = no money recovered. By you, me, or anyone here. ALL we would get is what I want: the REINSTATEMENT OF SIRIUS-XM'S LED ZEPPELIN CHANNEL. NO MONEY INVOLVED! And yup, if you read my original post, that's exactly what I suggested--that we assemble our voices as one, and find an attorney who might write a SINGLE LETTER, merely threatening a class action suit, to get XM/Sirius to listen to us. I said (again) we needn't actually bring a suit--just get a SINGLE LETTER sent to XM, from the right person, such as a communications lawyer, to get Sirius-XM to consider reinstating the Zep channel. My hope was that the communications lawyer (which I am NOT) who might write such a letter, would be a huge Zep fan him or herself, and would undertake such a letter pro bono (for free). However, I cannot write that letter. Why? Because I retired from the practice of law, and never even practiced communications law. Furthermore, because I was a DEFENSE ATTORNEY, not a plaintiff's attorney, I could not bring a lawsuit myself. And because of that, I would not even be able to even write an effective letter regarding same. We need someone who is experienced in communications law and FCC licensing issues, IMO.... Again, I'm not that guy.... And since I'm suggesting it's not necessary to actually go through with an actual suit, as all we need to do is THREATEN to sue, I would get ZERO DOLLARS AND ZERO PENNIES OUT OF THIS. All I want is the Zeppelin channel back on XM! I had hoped to find enough like-minded fans here, on these forums, to come up with ideas about how to do that. I brought one possible such idea myself--the threat of a class action suit, as I've seen how responsive coroporations are to the mere threat of litigation. Are you gettin' any of this, docron? If we never actually brought a suit, but Sirius-XM merely feared a suit, and listened to us, then neither YOU, nor I, nor ANYONE ELSE, would receive a single penny. So, how, exactly, am I "... greedy and think making up B.S. lawsuits is the way to solve everything.", as you so heinously allege? And how, exactly, is it about "Money money fucking money."? I've backed up what I originally wrote, and you misread, here. Now it's your turn to justify your ill-informed, untrue and HIGHLY OFFENSIVE accusations against me, a person you do not know from Adam. I'm sure others would be interested in your response.... And, worst case--even if there was an actual suit brought, we would merely be seeking INJUNCTIVE RELIEF or some form of DECLARITIVE JUDGEMENT, whereby Sirius-XM would be forced to reinstate the channel, as part of it's promise to "bring additional VALUE AND CHOICES to the listener, as both Sirius and XM lied to the FCC, last fall, that they would do! NOT money, Sunshine--just the REINSTATEMENT OF CHANNEL 59. How, exactly, does one "make bank" on that, pal? Please tell me, because I sure as **** don't know! I brought up the class action against Mercedes-Benz as an EXAMPLE, only, of how I observed, firsthand, how the threat of litigation can suddenly make a company feel like listening to their customers. That suit involved the tires of the S-Class cars, and was brought AGAINST the company, whom I was doing technical automotive work FOR--that's right--I wasn't even doing legal work at that time! That class action suit was a HUGE PITA for many of M-B's employees. I wasn't part of the suit, and was not paid to work on the suit, as I was doing TECHNICAL WORK re: the cars themselves. And because, prior to my automotive career, back when I did practice law, briefly, I was a DEFENSE ATTORNEY--I NEVER even sued ANYONE when I practiced law--I defended against lawsuits! But you're not swift enough to consider that there might be more than one kind of lawyer, right? You think they're all "ambulance chasers," right? Again, I was a DEFENSE ATTORNEY. And I couldn't even stand that for more than a year. So, docron, I gotta ask: how do you even find your own a** without a map? And you have the ARROGANCE TO presume to know "why I'm here?" **** YOU! I AM here for the Led Zeppelin because, as was suggested by another member here, a petition or some type of group voice to get heard by XM is what I seek (in addition to the community of fellow Zep fans--minus yourself, of course). I just happen to know, from having practiced law briefly, SIXTEEN YEARS AGO (and I'm repeating for the benefit of docron here--those who can already read at an adult level please disregard the repetition), that petitions are about as effective in getting corporate bean counters to listen as, well, as whatever else has been tried and failed so far, re: XM's channel 59. In other words, petitions are great, as long as they are not ignored. I fear, however, that XM has done a great job of ignoring thousands of our calls and emails, so far, and would probably ignore a petition as well. Hence my suggestion of a single, well-placed letter, suggesting that Sirius-XM continues to ignore our wish to have the Zeppelin channel reinstated at its own risk--the risk of litigation. But a petition is certainly something we could try first, and would help get a lawfirm interested in writing a letter, such as I describe, to Sirius-XM, as it would show there are many others here who want Channel 59 reinstated. I only suggested a class action suit because I have seen, firsthand, that lawsuits get attention. As I said in my original post, even the mere THREAT of a lawsuit would get attention. Docron, as I said above, you know NOTHING of me! I'm an environmentalist who left the corp. world to do an unpaid radio show about the environment! You know NOTHING of me, and yet you have the arrogance to say such vile things to me? I'd tell you to take your own advice, Docron, and "Get bent..." if it were not so painfully obvious that you've already done so..., to the detriment of the assembled. And NEVER, EVER, address me on these boards again, because I will NOT read a word you write. And if you attack me again, and I happen to learn of it from someone else here, I will seek the assistance of whatever moderation is available, as I do not want to hear a single word directed at me, again, from you. And here's some free advice: why not try reading what people write, before you attack them, without merit, as they try to effect positive change in XM's screwjob of serious Led Zep fans? Arrogant, willfully-ill-informed people like you make me sick--not to mention you remind me of the "shoot-from-the-hip" B*sh supporters who brought us the last 8 disaterous years, with apparently many more to follow. Since you FAILED SO MISERABLY TO READ AND UNDERSTAND MY POST, I suppose there's no way you could be smart enough to read my mind right now, huh? Hint: I'm not just thinking up words that rhyme with "docron." And to the good people reading this--please accept my sincerest appologies for being so lengthy in trying to pull docron up from the depths of his stupefying, (willful?) misapprehension of my suggestion for how we might get our voices heard on this issue, by Sirius-XM. I have never tolerated being falsely accused of things well, and docron's unfounded accusation that I was trying to make a buck on this (which my post clearly explains I am NOT) was DEEPLY OFFENSIVE to me. Docron's further insult to me, i.e., that I am allegedly not here because I, like you all, am a fan of the greatest rock and roll band in the world, bar NONE, was simply too much for me to take sitting down, as it were. I'm sure if any of you were similarly falsely accused, you would feel much like I do. Again, apologies to all except docron, and I do look forward to working with any and all that might have ANY ideas about getting the Zeppelin channel reinstated. Upon further reflection I do think an online petition might be a good start, to at least see how many of us there are that are seriously motivated to try to bring back the Zeppelin channel. If I'm wrong and the petition alone would be enough to get XM to listen, then that would be simply fantastic! I would also encourage anyone other than docron to make any other suggestins of alternative "vehicles" by which we can start to raise a voice that is greater than the individual voices of our emails and calls, which Sirius-XM has turned a deaf ear upon thus far. Thanks again. Peace. DoItWhenYouWanna

Newbie here, though I'm a long time Led Zeppelin fan. I was DEVASTED when XM's "Led" channel went on "hiatus" in March, to be returning "later in the year." As I rarely listen to music on XM (or anything much, other than the AC/DC station, for a while) I did not realize they had come back on in Nov. I only discovered it in late Dec., and we all know how that turned out. I, like many here, would like the station brought back, regardless of the flaws it had. I didn't mind the repeats so much, as it just liked having it on, and not having to hassle with CD's, etc..., to hear my favorite band. So...what to do? I'm not a litigious sort (used to be a lawyer but hated working with "them") but it occurs to me that I've seen class actions started (and won!) over far less than the cancelling of a paid-subscription station. No--I'm serious--walk with me a minute.... For example, Mercedes-Benz had a class action lawsuit against them--which M-B LOST--because the tires on their S-Class cars developed "flat spots" if the cars sat on them too long. But guess what? That's what happens to the tires on heavy cars that don't get driven much by rich people who own more than one car, and don't drive their $100,000.00+ cars every day. IOW, there was nothing wrong with the tires, and nothing wrong with the cars, and yet M-B LOST the class action against them, and had to pay (albeit in the form of certificates toward the partial purchase of new cars) as a result of the class action suit. My point is--the mere threat of a CLASS ACTION by paid subscribers who LOST content/value, as a result of the recent Sirius-XM merger, would most likely be taken seriously (or "siriusly?") by Sirius/XM Weren't we all told all of these fairy tales about how the merger of XM and Sirius was going to result in MORE choice for the consumer? (Despite mergers being antithetical to the very idea of a free marketplace--Adam Smith would be rolling in his grave, and I thought we had laws against "trust-building"?). We were also told the merger would result in LOWER SUBSCRIPTION FEES, right? Except that that hasn't happened yet, either. Anyway, XM and Sirius had to go before the FCC in hearings, I believe, prior to this merger, to lie about how this merger was supposed to benefit US. Of course, these hearings turned out to be just a whitewash to allow the merger to proceed (despite the fact that ONE satrad company instead of two is prima facie LESS COMPETETION, and therefore LESS CHOICE and LESS VALUE for the consumer!) and here we are. So...are there any lawyers on these boards who still practice law? Better yet, any lawyers who practice communications law, or who work for one of the giant firms which typically feed at the CLASS ACTION trough? Ideally, we need a senior partner at such a law firm who is a HUGE Led Zeppelin fan, and is willing to entertain such a case. Actually, even a mere letter from such a partner, to the right person at Sirius/XM, saying that the firm has been approached, and is considering such action, could be enough to motivate them to bring the station back. IOW, the mere threat of litigation is often all that is needed to motivate the typical, risk-averse, corporate bean-counter. I seriously think we could all become plaintiffs in a CLASS ACTION OF ILL-SERVED XM/SIRIUS customers...I really do. Whether we got any money is not the point--the point is to force XM/Sirius to listen to us and BRING BACK THE LED ZEPPELIN CHANNEL! Ken I getta "Amen"? I've looked around on the "interwebs," and I haven't found anyone cranked about the cancellation of the Led channel. But that doesn't mean there aren't more out there like us--I'd like to see this thread used to rally support for any and all efforts to force Sirius-XM to bring back the Led channel again. If any mods think that this should be a new thread, by all means, please feel free to move my post and start a new thread. I just want to get the ball rolling and feel that the recent nature of the FCC hearings and merger mean that there is a good chance Sirius-XM could be "motivated" to bring the channel back, if we act soon.... Great Forum, btw.... I've only just started checking it out, but the depth of knowledge here, about my favorite band, is pretty astounding. I can't wait to read more here!