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I plan on going to one of his shows in December. It will be my first Pink Floyd show ever.
To be fair, it will be a Roger Waters show... NOT a Pink Floyd show. Anyway... I just got my tickets to the show here in KC. 2:48 in the morning when I checked my email and was selected for Pre-Sale off his site. Good lower level seats and way less than the floor seats.
For anyone going who hasn't seen Roger before... I've seen him twice. 1987 in St. Louis on the Radio K.A.O.S. Tour and 1999 on the In The Flesh? Tour. Both shows were amazing. Considering I met him in 1987 that one might rank higher, but the 1999 show was filled w/ great music and singing. His backup singers are amazing.
Is it Floyd? No. There's no Richard Wright and no David Gilmour. Sadly, the guitar is always noticeable... nobody has Gilmour's touch... cannot be replaced. That said... his shows are amazing both musically and visually. I expect The Wall to be no different.
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Here is a link to Roger Waters' new site, w/ the US Tour Dates! He's coming to KC and also St. Louis... anybody wants to see him w/ me jump in now.
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saw him on the kaos tour...........great stuff
there's a show i'd like to go to for sure
I saw the K.A.O.S. tour too, 4 September 1987 at the legendary Fox Theatre in St. Louis. Met him at a stoplight after the show! LOL He was very kind and receptive. Saw him again in 1999 in Kansas City... final show of the tour and the world premiere of Each Small Candle.
So... if you want to see Roger and have something extraordinary happen, make sure you go to the show that I'm at!
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You should never have to buy a bootleg. Bootlegs should be free and available to anyone who wants them. There are a couple great blogs out there that specialize in boots, that have quite a few great Floyd ones.
Now, if you want to know what boots you should look for, these are my top 10:
1. Animal Instincts (May 9th, 1977)
2. Boston Music Hall (March 14th, 1973)
3. Cruel But Fair (April 26th, 1975)
4. Wallpower (February 28th, 1980) The last show they ever played in the US as a foursome.
5. Run Like Fuck (February 13th, 1980)
6. Keep Talking Foxboro (May 19th, 1994)
7. Interstellar Fillmore (April 29th, 1970)
8. New Mown Grass (October 17th, 1971)
9. Melbourne Soundboard (February 19th, 1988)
10. The Last Bell (October 29th, 1994) The last full concert Pink Floyd has done to date.
Good list Electrophile. That Oakland show {9 May} is pretty special. A couple others that are good that neither of us have listed yet are Smoking Blues 21-11-70 and 16/17-11-74. I love the early workings of the tracks that made up the bulk of Animals.
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Glad I found this topic. I was about to start a new thread about Pink Floyd.
Like you guys I also love Pink Floyd. The Dark Side of the moon is possibly my favorite album of ALL TIME.
Anyways I guess I'm in here to ask about any live shows that really stood out in their career. Before I go dropping a bunch of money on lousy bootlegs I'd like to get some good advice from people who truly appreciate the band.
Thanks in advance.
If Dark Side is your favorite album all time then perhaps you would enjoy the 1969-71 era. It predates Dark Side but Floyd were in their experimental stage... sort of finding their way minus Syd. There are some great, quality boots out there from this era. Either of the BBC shows is top notch, Interstellar Fillmore from 29 April 1970 is great... wonderful set list and near perfect quality. A show from San Diego 1971 is also extremely good. 13 August, if memory serves.
Some of the songs you can expect to find from this era...
Grantchester Meadows - Astonomy Domine - Cymbaline - Set The Controls - Echoes - Embryo - Fat Old Sun - Green Is The Colour - Careful With That Axe, Eugene - A Saucerful Of Secrets - Interstellar Overdrive
The band weren't fighting, they were in fact a perfectly functioning unit and their shows were incredible.
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The Nobs - Large Whale Name Phallis...
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Here's something from 1983... man, this really takes ya back...
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Here we go, women wanting a Firm 12 incher
I think... deep down... they just want some kind of satisfaction guaranteed...
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Good find. Looks like it will be -
Satisfaction Guaranteed {Studio version}
Radioactive {12 inch remix version}
Live In Peace - Midnight Moonlight {Live}
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You didn't need to quote my post for that.
Well, I happen to agree that The Division Bell is pretty damn good. Perhaps I should have clarified.
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Not sure what song Page started with (I need to look up the setlist), but the crowd went nuts, I remember my arms pinned to my sides and swaying with the crowd - scary feeling for sure!
-Eric
He opened with Who's To Blame. I could dig up the whole set-list, but I know that the first three songs were Who's To Blame - Prelude - Over The Hills. Funny that you were at the Detroit show. Somewhere around here I have a video of that gig. Please don't ask me to look for it... it's in a box of old VHS tapes in storage. LOL
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The Division Bell is pretty damn good...
This is just a response to a lot of the posts in this thread... first and foremost I am a huge fan of Floyd. Have been since 1977. It's funny... but I remember walking the halls of school... 9th grade... and hearing all the kids singing... Hey! Teacher! Leave them kids alone!
About ten years ago I stumbled upon a bootleg of Floyd in concert in 1969... and now I have so many shows circa 1969-71 that I probably couldn't list them all. I love that era of Floyd. So many great songs and they still played gems like Grantchester Meadows and Embryo.
I agree w/ whoever said Obscured By Clouds is a great, underrated album. I would also tend to disagree with those that don't care for The Final Cut. The key to this album are the songs from The Gunners Dream through The Final Cut. Yes, it's only six songs... but those six songs are powerful statements.
I've seen Floyd... unfortunately it was in a stadium w/ 65,000 other people. I hate big shows. I've seen Roger at The Fox Theatre in St. Louis in 1987 and again on his 1999 tour. I was at the show where he debuted Each Small Candle for the first time. His solo album Amused To Death is a classic.
David Gilmour is just an amazing musician. His voice is just pure perfection and his guitar playing is filled with heart and soul and just drips w/ emotion.
Richard Wright was the great underrated entity of the band. His piano and keyboard work was just as essential as David's guitar and Roger's lyrics. It was so great to see him on the On An Island tour... his playing has always been so in sync w/ David's music.
I think one of the things that makes it so easy to be a fan of Pink Floyd is that there are several different incarnations from which to choose from... you have the early Syd Barret days, you have the immediate post-Syd days, then you have the Dark Side - The Wall era... then the post-Roger era... how can you ever tire of them? There's always something fresh to listen to and relate to.
Their performance at Live 8, albeit brief, was a great way for the band, minus Syd, to go out. They played beautifully and actually seemed to be enjoying the moment, particularly Roger. Too bad his ego got in the way all the those years ago.
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Here's something for DeborahJ... I was using Photoshop to do some work and came upon this photo. A few years back a friend had a tape titled: Firm - Live. No date or venue, though it sounded like the 1985 tour. Don't ask me to explain, but I can hear a difference between the 1985 and 86 tours... Anyway, here's the cover I made for a CDR.
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i love my swan song shirt
That's a great photo Z-A... what kind of bass do you play? Do you play anything other than bass? Guitar? Piano? Drums? I will be posting some photos soon of my guitars.
Oh... and from one male w/ long hair to another... keep the hair! DO NOT cut it!
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I like John Freida but it's expensive. I have better things to spend my money on.
It's funny what boredom can do for one... Having read just about all the present threads I decided to poke my head in this one... knowing full well what to expect but... boredom leads us to these bizarre forays every now and then. Anyway... point being, as one of a dying breed... male, long hair...
I have actually found some interesting tidbits in here and some product I am going to try out.My hair is long and naturally curly and more often then not I opt for the ponytail...
thanks to you ladies and your crazy love affair for Robert and his hair I may have found some stuff that will work for me!So... here's to the Golden God and his Lion Mane. Thanks for the tip ladies!
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it sounds like page played -tear down the walls, faster and with a different sound in 88, almost sounds like a different song.
Yes! I remember hearing this at the show and it went from sounding like a Bad Company song to sounding more like a Led-Zeppelin song. I think the biggest difference was that in 1988, even though very young, Jason was playing the drums on this. John Miles has more of a Plant-esque voice as well and they just attacked this song, particularly Jimmy and his riffing.
It remains one of my favourite Firm songs, but I do prefer the Outrider version.
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So he played the Paul on this tour. Man. I dreamed at night about the Paul in 1984, and thought Jimmy was done with blazing leads forever. To me, the brown tele represented weakness, remorseful sloppy solos with no mids or bottom tonality. I learned tp appreciate the B string bender vocabulary years after he stopped using it. Then I would listen to my 7" of "Together" when no roomates were around to catch me in my moment of sap. Back in the day I would have killed to see Page unleash the Paul. I bought every mag that carried a pic of Live-Aid Page w/Paul.
Don't blame the Telecaster... Jimmy wasn't at his best during this period. I think he chose the Tele to get away from the Zeppelin sound and to try and forge a new sound with The Firm. On tour he played both Les Pauls, the Telecaster, the Lake Placid Blue Strat... he used this on Cadillac if memory serves, and he used the Danelectro on Midnight Moonlight. I believe he took the double-neck on the road but ultimately didn't use it.
He filmed the video for Radioactive w/ the twin-neck, but I don't recall him using it in concert w/ The Firm. If you want evidence of Page ripping it up on the brown Tele, check out the Live In Peace video a few posts up.
This also leads me to something I was going to ask Steve Jones... do you have a list of what guitar was used for each song on The Firm tours?
Here's the video of Radioactive w/ Page on the twin-neck. YouTube has this song live and he used the Brown Tele in concert.
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March 8, 1985
Omaha, Nebraska - Omaha Civic Auditorium
Those are great, thanks! And just six days after I saw them.
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Very nice Steve, thanks for sharing. Do you have any like these w/ Jimmy on the Brown Bomber?
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Since JP played Zep and Whitesnake tunes on Coverdale/Page's only tour in Japan and Paul did Free and Bad Co with Queen then the Firm should have dabbled in performing Zep, Free, and Bad Co songs. It's what gets the crowd going. Paul's solo album Cut Loose was a good album but do the audience really want to hear that or the past classics?
My belief is they {Page/Rodgers} didn't perform Zep/Bad Co numbers because A: it was too soon for Jimmy - B: they wanted their new music to stand on its own and C: Rodgers was trying to distance himself from Bad Co. You have to remember, they first hooked up in late 1983/early 1984. Just shortly after Bonham's passing and the dissolving of their respective bands.
When Jimmy toured Japan with Coverdale he had another 10 years behind him and he had played, very well I might add, Zeppelin tunes on the Outrider tour. I think that Page, and Plant too, needed some time before dipping back into their catalog and I think each wanted to make a statement with their new music.
As a musician, as a fan and as a human being, I understand their decisions. They chose a path slightly more difficult and were able to navigate new waters quite well. After a reasonable amount of time passed... in their case, 8 years, they revisited some of those old songs while still creating new and exciting music.
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As usual (not all) but most freaking critics
I will still stand by my opinion that they were great. Loved The Firm when they began and still love the music today!
The sad thing is if Jimmy and Paul had played a set heavy with Zep/Bad Co. numbers, they would have been ridiculed for relying on their past. Their music was/is good. The time they came out... mid-1980's... wasn't. Think of what was popular at the time... hair bands... playing Pop Metal with many efforts to sound/look like Zep, British bands like Duran 2, The Alarm, Culture Club and Adam Ant.
The Firm stood out drastically. But, having seen two of their shows I can testify they were really good live. That they didn't lean on their glorious pasts should have been rewarded instead of criticized. I remember reading a quote by Jimmy saying that Zep was always ahead of its time... it took fans and media a year or so to catch up to where the group was at... I think it's safe to say The Firm was also.
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Uniondale, NY was 10/28, Detroit 10/22 (I was there!). I have Atlanta, Mesa, Detroit, Uniondale, & Syracuse on video in my archive. I believe audio recordings for every show from the tour except El Paso (9/16/88) are now in circulation.
Does anyone have the Kansas City show from this tour? Date was 14 October at The Memorial Hall. I have a plethora of stuff for trade.
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If I didn't mention already, The Morning After, Boogie Mama and Live in Peace were originally released in October 1983 on Paul Rodger's Cut Loose album, later covered by The Firm on record and in concert. It happens to be a fav of mine.
Steve, can you clear your PM box please. Trying to send you a PM but it says you cannot accept any new messages. Thanks!
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Unfortunately there's none in circulation. I think I have a photo. The Wichita Eagle Beacon published a feature titled Firm's Resume Is Impressive on March 1, 1985. I'm still seeking a copy of that article.
Was the photo from the concert, do you know? The show was on 2 March, so if a photo was w/ the 1 March article it couldn't have been the Wichita show. I'm sure they wrote a review which was probably in Monday's paper, the 4th of March. Show was Saturday. I drove there w/ some friends and we were on the highway after the show and I never did see a review.
Coverdale/Page
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Amen to that! Jimmy tried, for years, to get Robert to do a Zeppelin reunion and Robert wouldn't, which I have all the respect in the world for. The few times Zep did reunite were special because they were so rare... even if they themselves weren't as on as they could have been... see Live Aid/Atlantic's 40th... So Jimmy wanted to write, record and tour and he was approached w/ the idea of hooking up w/ David Coverdale. I still have the Westwood One interview w/ Redbeard where Jimmy said that when approached about Coverdale he thought to himself... 'Well, he is a damn fine singer...' So they met up in NYC and found a connection, a bond and decided to see if they could actually write anything.
They write Absolution Blues on day one and that had to be very exciting for both of them. Then it just took off. The album came out and was an instant success. I remember hearing Pride & Joy everywhere. Had they toured in say, May of that year, whilst the album was still hot and fresh, who knows, they might have been together for several albums. But the tour was delayed and eventually canceled and then Robert comes along w/ his offer.
You all know this... the point though is that the C/P album is a great album. Jimmy's playing isn't stiff... how anyone can listen to Shake My Tree, Absolution Blues, Pride & Joy, Easy Does It, Waiting On You or Don't Leave Me This Way and say he's stiff is just completely full of crap. It was the best representation of Jimmy as a song writer and guitarist since the Zeppelin days and most Zeppelin fans had their heads so far up Robert's ass that they wouldn't give Coverdale a chance. And that's a shame. A tour of America would have been amazing. We would have seen Jimmy playing new music w/ an energized band... instead he goes back to Robert and we get re-worked Zeppelin tunes.
Page/Plant was good... but we'd been there/done that. Coverdale offered something new w/ just a nod to the past, and that, to me, was far more exciting than playing through the Zep catalog minus JPJ and Bonzo.