Blocoboy
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I'm sure that was different band. From Shropshire. Peter Lee on guitar, Jeff Price on Bass, etc.
Thanks.
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From what I understand Scott, Terry Beal took on the name Bobby Child, because the band van and merchandise had the name Bobby Child on it, so he simply adopted the name Bobby Child. The original Bobby Child was called Barry Goodchild.
Did they ever go under the name "Mark Anthony and The Senators"?
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A couple more things..from the Express and Star-
Friday 6th November 1964.
Thursday 31st December 1964.
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Hope this of interest..from The Sutton Coldfield News Friday 5th June 1964
Gig was Saturday 30th May 1964 at Sutton Coldfield Town Hall.
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I've just checked my email archive and Bill did indeed state that they did record some songs but he has no idea what happened to them.
Meg
Ahh..that explains why Bill thought he had spoken to me about it before.
This is what I got off Bill today..."Robert introduced us to Buffalo Springfield and we recorded. Hello Mr Soul, Rock and Roll Woman and a couple of other songs in that studio."...he couldn't remember the studio but says Terry Rowley was the engineer.
Meg..if you are researching this stuff drop me a line..I don't want to tread on anyone's toes.
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Is there anything else in the paper which states which studio?
Meg
No.. but I have emailed Bill Bonham to see if he has any memories,hopefully he may be able to fill in the details.
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Its been a while but I have a valid excuse
..anyway..apologies if this is well known but do the Obs tweedle recordings still exist-From the Express and Star May 2nd 1968
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Jeff, sorry to hear of the death of Johnny Caldicott. Unfortunately, I have nothing on file concerning jams he may have had with Robert Plant. However, the search is on.
A few clues here-
https://www.therobintickets.co.uk/ticketsho...p?TicketID=1821
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Mr Jones suggested I post this ..it may be of interest..published in NME dated 16 th August 1969
I'm flogging the original NME on Ebay at the moment if anyones interested.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...em=220431623343
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If the article with the pic of Robert isn't from a local paper, it looks like it would have been from the old Daily Express. It's their typeface, etc.
At least it mentions "Long Time Coming" which I would imagine was the purpose of the stunt.
Wolverhampton archives are housed in the old Molineux Hotel which is situated approx 100 yard from The Molineux..so if anybody fancies doing some research there do it on match day ..who knows who you might bump into
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This is a pic of Plant around that era. (1967 - might be closer to Band of Joy days) Leader of The Midlands Flower People. Protesting outside a courthouse.
August 1967 I think..outside Wednesbury Magistrates Court..it's on me list of articles to find..I realise most of you know about this but I would like to see how the Express and Star reported it.
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I spent a couple of hours at Sutton Coldfield archives today..no sign of the Tim Rose gig or any of the LZ gigs .Birmingham will be the place to look.
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I've been doing more digging in the archives. I now show the 7/20/68 gig Page, Dreja & Grant attended was at a "teacher's training college" in Bromsgrove, Worcestershire. Robert discusses his recollection of this in a circa-1988 interview with Chris Tetley and during the SXSW Festival in Austin in 1995.
This place?-
http://www.francisfrith.com/bromsgrove/mem...-college_70981/
I'll hang fire on the Walsall call then..and I emailed Bill Bonham about the above and this is his reply from 2 minutes ago-
"Chris it was so long ago. I just don't remember. Bill"
Bromsgrove Local studies http://worcestershire.whub.org.uk/home/wcc-lib-bromsgrove have copies of the local newspaper on file which should cover 1969..an email might get the answer to the mystery..I have no problem doing it but a non local might get a better response.
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I show it was for a brief period in 1963 between stints with The New Memphis Bluesbreakers and Sounds of Blue.
Thanks.
Re the Walsall gig..I'll give them a bell to see if they have any paperwork from the time..it's a long shot but you never know
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Can anyone confirm the dates of Robert's association with The Brumbeats?..I have a few pieces relating to them but they are from late '64 into 1965 and I don't want to post them if they are not relevant.
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Blocoboy, AWESOME job digging up this stuff. Thanks for posting!
It looks like the 7/20/68 West Midlands College of Higher Education gig is incorrect, unless Steve can actually post the ad. Perhaps the gig was played on a different day, was unadvertised, or was the second gig they played on 7/20.
Here's the 1989 dissolution order of the West Midlands College of Higher Education (correct name). The college then became a part of the University of Wolverhampton:
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19890409_en_1.htm
Here's a photo of the teaching block at the college with some background info:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/524296
It's pretty well known that the first time Page saw Bonzo was at the Country Club in Hampstead on 7/31/68 when he was playing with Tim Rose:
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I read in an old fanzine that Bonzo played with Tim Rose at "The Factory," a Birmingham nightclub on 8/3/68. Plant allegedly attended this show to convince Bonzo to join the "New Yardbirds." This certainly could have been Bonzo's last gig with Rose since he went down to Jimmy's Pangborne boathouse soon thereafter.
Blocoboy, have you seen an ad for this Birmingham 8/3/68 Tim Rose gig? Also, did you happen to see any press clippings in your archival search for the Zeppelin gigs played in the area (Mothers 3/22/69; Birmingham Town Hall 6/13/69 & 1/7/70; Kinetic Circus 11/17/71; Birmingham Odeon 12/16 & 12/17/72; The Belfry, Sutton Coldfield 3/20/71, Leicester University 11/25/71; and Coventry Locarno 12/9/71)?
I've not posted on here recently mainly because I was hoping the Walsall college gig advert would appear but it would appear that its not going to :-)..I asked Bill Bonham again if he could remember the date..the answer is still no..but he doesn't remember it being a double header.
The College was never a hot bed of rock and roll in Walsall and very rarely,if ever ,advertised any of its gigs..if anyone wants to see the place in real life get off the M6 at Wednesbury..ignore Morrisons and follow the signs towards Walsall ..its on the left oppositish the old Crest Motel
The Zeppelin ads would be easy to find in any of the Brum/Cov/Leicester newspapers..the ad for the Belfy gig is on here already in the Timeline section..I submitted an ad relating to the gig which can also be seen in the same section.http://www.ledzeppelin.com/show/march-20-1971
At the moment I'm concentrating on the Black Country archives but a visit to Brum is on the cards..meanwhile if any Brummies are reading this PLEASE pm me and I'll tell them where to look..having the dates helps and someone could find them in a lunch hour..honest!
I will however have a look for the Birmingham gigs in the Sutton Coldfield News archives as they sometimes listed City gigs.
This might be a silly question but has anyone asked Robert Plant if he recalls anything about the Walsall gig.
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I believe that the date was first published by Greg Russo in his Yardbirds biography.
Thanks..silly question but is their any evidence to support it?
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So the band existed pre-Robert but not the name, sounds like he's saying.
Wish I could help with the Walsall College ad, Blocoboy.
Spot on..it appears The Answer were joined by Robert and then they became Obs Tweedle.
In the past week I've visited 4 archives,Wolverhampton,Lichfield,Sutton Coldfield and Walsall, and I 've looked for the Walsall gig without luck..not had chance to get to Birmingham..the problem is that the venue very rarely advertised..it was not exactly a hive of rock and roll so if someone does have the ad I'd be really interested to know where it appeared..I'll blame brain strain if I've missed it
Can I ask where the 20th July 1968 date for the Walsall gig comes from?
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Bloco,
I too spoke with Bill sometime ago (an earlier thread over this can be found elsewhere). When discussing the origins of the name he definitely posted back with "Obs-tweedle". Interesting comment about Plant. He told me that the band existed prior to Plant joining and that he was at first a replacement for their singer who fell sick. The name originated from his father who was the band's manager, after the band couldn't decide what they wanted to call themselves.
Meg
I'm now researching Bill's group history for him and the latest version of the Obst weedle saga is still that when Robert joined they changed their name from The Answer to Obs tweedle (the name suggested by Bills father)..If I can find the Answer gig in Dudley that Robert is said to have been at it might help with the timeline.
The problem is relying on people's memories
Still no sign of the Walsall College gig ad..anybody?
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No way. Neither Jimmy nor Robert nor anyone else in Zep has ever made such a statement. Jimmy says the first he heard of Robert was when Terry Reid suggested him in July 1968.
Keith Relf was certainly the weakest link of The Yardbirds, but they never would have replaced him with an unknown from the midlands.
Thanks,I didn't suggest that anyone had made such a statement just wondering if it happened.
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Sorry if this has been covered already but was Rob3ert Plant ever asked to join The Yardbirds before 1968..in Februaryish 1967 perhaps?
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June 12th - Obs-Tweedle
June 22nd - The New Obs-Tweedle
I would not be surprised if Robert joined sometime between those two shows. It fits in perfectly with the common story that he was only with the band for a few weeks.
Also, the venue for the July 20th show (The Connaught Hotel, Tettenhall Road, Wolverhampton) is quite interesting, because this was supposedly the date of the show at the "teacher training college" where Jimmy and Peter Grant saw Robert.
I asked Bill Bonham again today about Obstweedle...this is his reply.
Robert had to have been in the band as we had never used that name before.
Any gig obstweedle played was with Robert.
The Walsall College gig advert would be really interesting to see
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Highly interesting. I've always remembered the Saturday, July 20th 1968 as the day Jimmy Page and Peter Grant (plus Chris Dreja) went to see Robert Plant sing but at the West Midlands College of Higher Education?
I think the Walsall ad needs to be seen
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Don't know the answer to the dates question, I'm afraid--
are you sure it's a Latin word??
I know quite a lot of Latin, and it doesn't sound like it to me. I thought it was an invented word. (I do know that Led Zeppelin still gets misspelled big-time--on this board, let alone elsewhere!).I'm probably totally wrong on the latin thing
..anyway..apologies if this is well known but do the Obs tweedle recordings still exist-
I know quite a lot of Latin, and it doesn't sound like it to me. I thought it was an invented word. (I do know that Led Zeppelin still gets misspelled big-time--on this board, let alone elsewhere!).
Robert Plant - Pre-Zep History
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I might have mentioned that I am researching the pre fame career of Slade..this is pure history from the Express and Star-
The Senators gig is Saturday 28th November 1964.
The gig is at Johns uncles pub..The 'Nbetweens included Dave Hill and Don Powell who would later form Slade..can you imagine the noise that was created that night..the sheer power of Bonham and Powell.
Steve Brett and The Mavericks featured Noddy Holder ..who would become lead singer with Slade..he lived approx 100 yards away from the Boat..the lead guitarist with the Mavericks was Pete Bickley who lived approx 10 houses away from where I lived at the time..I lived approx 1 mile from the Boat.
I don't think Mr Plant would have been lodging at the boat at the time but obviously his future Obstweedle colleague Bill Bonham would have been watching his cousin.
The music scene in the Midlands was very tight knit and I reckon this ad illustrates this quite well.