mrledhed
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Oh yeah, because you can just tell the 'traders' who own all these 1975 and 1977 soundboards we've seen pop up over the years were in so much of a hurry to distribute them to the masses without the help of EVSD, etc
I'd suggest you read Bootleg: The Secret History Of The Other Recording Industry by Clinton Heylin some time (if you haven't already)...the original tapers who started this little cottage industry over fourty years ago weren't exactly doing it to, like, 'share the tooonz, maaaaan'...they were taping them shows because they knew there was money in it! And you better believe some of those guys were fuckin' rolling in it before too long.
Sure, traders have shared out a lot of previously uncirculated audience recordings over they years without the assistance of bootleg companies (and more often than not ended up having their tapes bootlegged eventually anyway), but I'd be brazen to say that for every recording that is being shared out there's one being hoarded...don't hold any illusions that tapers and so-called traders can't be as greedy as bootleg labels. Ask yerself: how often do you see a new previously uncirculated soundboard recording come out through kindhearted 'traders'? Answer: hardly ever.
I can guarantee you that if the Pontiac '77 pro shot exists (or any of the other pro shot concerts we've seen mentioned in this discussion) it's ain't gonna make it out to the masses through kind, well meaning tape traders. No, we'll see it come out through EVSD or Godfather or some bootleg label because the people who actually possess these films know goddamn well what they are worth, and fuckin' A, they're gonna get whatever they can for them. And ya know, ya can't really fault them for that. These guys aren't schmucks; they're not dumb by any stretch of the imagination.
As much as I'd love to believe that the music trading community (online or otherwise) is all about sharing, friendliness and kindness to their fellow man/woman, the harsh reality has been that that usually isn't the case. The amount of backstabbing, double dealing, and misrepresentation that goes on is actually pretty sick. As 'evil' as bootleg companies can be, the worst tape trading stories I've heard of over the years had nothing to do with bootleggers. As I said earlier, bootleggers are a necessary evil when it comes to unofficial live music, they're a business like any other, and run off of supply and demand like any other business.
But collectors would sell to each other, knowing they won't resell to a bootlegger.
Some hoarders won't sell to bootleggers. EVSD would NEVER pay enough to unearth the good stuff like Pontiac 77. They only get what is cheap enough to make them a profit.
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If it weren't for EVSD we'd have nothing.
Traders would have trsuted each other if it weren't for bootleggers.
The bootleg industry has a monopoly that gets in the way of collector endeavors.
They increase the cost of acquiring tapes.
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Hence why the bootleg companies are a 'necessary evil', as it were...EVSD in particular must have some heavy connections since they're the ones who tend to come out with these new soundboards first it seems...
Not true. If it weren't for EVSD we'd have everything. The boot industry slows things down.
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I was told by a production team staffer in the '80s that the whereabouts of a vault of materials were known only by Lew Grade. The same staffer said he remembers preparation for the '77 shows at Atlanta, Houston, Seattle, Tempe, OC/ACC & New Orleans to be pro-shot at least in part for promo work- while Seattle, Houston and Pontiac being done completely. He also went on to comment that promo plans cratered by Graham due to the goings on at different arenas during the tour, namely OC/ACC.
Houston will show up at some point- the rest (if they still exist) hope against hope.
So Atlanta was done too? The didn't perform NOLA in 77.
I would think a regular soundboard would exist for Pontiac, even if a video no longer does.
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Since nobody bothered to ask this at the conferences, WHY didn't they perform any ITTOD or Coda songs at the reunion? Is there a definitive answer?
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We've discussed this before so the info should be available on this site somewhere, but for a start he plays on "Sloppy Drunk" (which became "Boogie With Stu") and "Battle of Evermore" (pages 173 and 205 of "The Press Reports" respectively) . There's also a quote on page 183 of the same book from a June 1971 interview with Robert in Sounds that "....I manage to plonk guitar on about 3 numbers on this album...." ( III)
He wasn't just the singer, he didn't just write the lyrics he also wrote the melodies.
To accuse him of "simply lying" is ridiculous and I won't apologise for going "off topic" to say so.
So JPJ does not perform on TBOE?
What other tracks have RP guitar on them?
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Steve
It seems that Showco recorded from the soundboard onto C90 tapes during the 1977 tour.
Do you know if they used reels before that? If so, what kind?
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Steve,
Was it ever determined if LZ played Indianapolis or Philly in 1973?
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No specific comments come to mind. I've been told the tape of the Santana/Page jam at the Festhalle in Frankfurt on July 1, 1980 which entered circulation many years ago was originally stolen from the luggage of the Santana crew. There are rumors from time to time of video footage and soundboards from the '77 tour that may have been left behind at the venues but this seems highly unlikely.
I assume this is because Mr. Grant was very protective of the tapes.
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Steve,
I remember hearing a story about Peter Grant mentioning a box to tapes being lost during a tour, but have never seen the article. Do you know where he said this (if he did say it)?
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Why do the 1977 soundboard tapes have cuts in the music around the 45 minute mark due to tape flips, but the 1975 shows do not.
I would think that for every tour the board people would flip the tapes between the songs so as to not miss anything important, why didn't they do this in 1977?
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Apparently there are shows from 1975 and 1977 that were proshot by the in house video recorder, besides the ones that are talked about on sites like these. There was a Proximity issue that said Cincinnatti and Cleveland 77 were recorded to video.
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I think the Silverdome show was filmed with pro equipment, not videotape, correct?
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If I'm not mistaken the 6/24/85 Dallas show was only distributed by Westwood One on 3 vinyl LPs. I know the radio promo is at the end of side three. I'm sure someone out there has transferred the original vinyl (if not the original soundboard source) to cdr.
Thanks for that info. I wasn't sure because a 1990 KBFH CD has only some of the tracks broadcast, but the LP I would assume would include the whole broadcast? If that's the case, I'll just buy the LP and have it transferred it myself.
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Here's what I know:
The 6/24/85 Dallas show is mislabeled as Cincinnati sometimes and the complete show was never broadcast.
Does anyone know if there exists a Pre-FM CD from the show by Westwood? If someone has the radio promo CD, let me know as I'd like to buy it (If I'm allowed to say that here).
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some of mine
also was a king biscuit flower hour or two
Those are live? What songs are on it and they circulating elsewhere?
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Anyone have a complete list of which shows were broadcast by Westwood One, and also the dates that have boards circulating?
I have tried a search and have yet to find anything definitive in terms of what's out there.
There is also an LP called "Superstar Series 89-91" By Westwood One, what songs are on this?
Thanks.
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Is there any mention (even a rumor) of these tracks being played live? It's possible either they were second encores and the tapers missed them or maybe the tapes didn't reach the public (or they were played at a show that wasn't taped). Can we take some of these off the list with reasonable certainty?
Hey Hey What Can I Do
Livin Lovin Maid
Your Time Is Gonna Come
Hats Off To (Roy) Harper
When The Levee Breaks (aside from the few 1975 performances)
The Battle Of Evermore (earlier than 1977)
Four Sticks (besides Copenhagen 1971)
D'yer Mak'er
Custard Pie
The Rover (complete)
Houses Of The Holy
In The Light
Down By The Seaside
Night Flight
Candy Store Rock
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That was probably part of the reason why the band choose to keep the tapes after the show there there along with the experiences of previous stops in Seattle like in 73 and 75.
Thanks for your informative post. So they videotaped Seattle 73 and 75 too? I never knew that. The venue was the Center Coliseum then, correct?
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Unfortunately, tapes of this pro-shot footage have never been located, if it even still exists.
Collectors on other sites claim to have seen it, and say they know it exists. I don't know what to believe.
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I have a few "unsolved mysteries":
- Did they ever play 3/02/75 which has long been listed as "Bent Harbor TN"? This date has never been proved or disproved.
- Were 7/23/73 Baltimore and 7/24/73 Pittsburgh multitracked? This was a rumor for a long time.
- Was any 1977 show multitracked?
Pontiac Silverdome 1977
in Led Zeppelin Live
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Those aren't the good stuff. If you consider those MSG dates "good concerts", you haven't listened to audience tapes of other concerts like I have. What about 03/12-21/75?
There are soundboards from concerts we haven't heard as aud tapes. What about those? You see the point?
But they do, that's why they hoard the tapes.
Bootleggers = bad