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On 5/9/2018 at 3:54 AM, dandak said:
he CERTAINLY owes Jimmy a thing or two. In my mind (its sometimes a strange place😎) plant would have been nothing without Jimmy.
Does he? Do you owe the first person who employed you your career? If there is a debt how do you know Robert hasn’t paid it? When does he stop owing Jimmy? What does Jimmy owe Robert? Who knows but them. Would they have been as successful with Terry Reid or just another Humble Pie? Who knows?
Robert may have been nothing without Jimmy but Jimmy could have just been “That last guitarist in the yardbirds who never did anything after”. Purely judging by their post Led Zeppelin output it seems Jimmy needs Robert more than Robert needs Jimmy.
Of course Jimmy’s solo album and tour are happening next year and that might change everything .
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9 hours ago, irondirigible said:
The Rolling Stones' "From The Vaults" series is getting almost tiresome. But for Stones fans, like me, its still awesome.
How can something be both tiresome and awesome?😀
I flooding the market wish numerous live releases of varying quality might dilute the potency of the band’s mystique .
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18 hours ago, irondirigible said:
My answer is probably yes. More so, Plant and Page as Plant has an incredible voice and Page is so gifted.
John Paul Jones and John Bonham... could be Left to chance if they hooked up with other great musicians.
But even with Plant and Page, its hard to say. The magic of LZ was what they did together, how it all worked as one. Plant and Page have had decent solo careers, but I am bold enough to say that these solo careers would not have taken off without LZ. If they did, they would not have garnered much fame as a result.
We would have heard of Jimmy due to the Yardbirds and maybe JPJ due to his prolific session and arranging work. Bonzo was already getting work with Tim Rose, but wether that would’ve led to being a household name rather than a respected drummer I couldn’t say. As for Robert, he was certainly hungry for the limelight but he hadn’t really gone anywhere until he hooked up with Jimmy.
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8 hours ago, Strider said:
Now, now, let's not get too psychoanalytic. I don't think it was about Keith feeling threatened by a better guitar player at all.
For one thing, despite what some people say, Keith could play guitar. Ok, he wasn't Jimi Hendrix or Ritchie Blackmore flamboyantly fast, but he created great riffs and he could solo well enough to suit the song. One listen to "Gimmie Shelter" and "Sympathy for the Devil" should be enough to prove that to any naysayers.
Keith's playing didn't show signs of slippage until the 1978 tour, which despite what Jann "stanlove" Wenner tries to tell you, was an unmitigated disaster. You think Led Zeppelin's 1977 tour had problems and that their playing wasn't up to snuff? The Stones 1978 tour made Led Zeppelin's 1977 tour sound like Europe 1973.
But Keith was a riff machine on the 1969-72 tours. And the Stones were rock royalty. I am sure he felt secure in his position as top dog along with Mick Jagger in the band. They were the songwriters...they were the Glimmer Twins!
When Mick Taylor left, it was during a time when many others around the band were also displaying signs of having difficulty handling the drugs and wildness around the band. Jimmy Miller, Bobby Keyes and Nicky Hopkins, for instance.
Mick Taylor also chafed at not getting proper writing credits, as Mick and Keith always took the writing credits. Bill Wyman and Charlie Watts got nothing from the songwriting royalties. Their money came from touring.
I think at that point in time, the Stones' first priority in a replacement for Mick Taylor was someone who personality-wise and constitution-wise could fit in and mesh with the band. Mick Taylor was a very young kid when he joined the Stones and never seemed to fit in. His playing was fantastic but he tended to just stand there and play and not show any personality or emotion.
Ron Wood was the complete opposite. He was one of the lads, had been around the block a few times with the Faces and even already knew how to deal with a preening peacock of a singer through his time with Rod Stewart. He even looked like a Rolling Stone...like Keith's long-lost brother.
I think the Stones saw Woody as a fellow drinking buddy, someone who could handle the partying, and would be happy just being in the band and not squawk about songwriting credits. As for his playing, it's easy to forget that Wood was actually a pretty good player in The Faces, for that kind of rowdy, raucous, drunk rock 'n' roll. He was an underrated bottleneck slide player at that time, too.
Was he Mick Taylor level? No. But he was certainly the equal of Keith Richards, if not better at certain things like bottleneck/slide.
If your position is that Keith's ego felt threatened by Mick Taylor then his ego would have been threatened by Ron Wood, too.
Well, it took over 20 years before Mick and Keith even officially acknowledged that Ron Wood was a member of the Rolling Stones, so that probably plays a part in his attitude. Again though, it is exactly that whatever-devil-may-care attitude of Ron Wood that made him so appealing to Mick and Keith in the first place.
Also Ronnie was salaried up until at least the late nineties.
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On 21/01/2018 at 8:01 PM, Victor said:
Thought I'd share one of my garments..... My Mum made it for me in 1975 and I wore it at Earls Court that year....for some reason it no longer fits!
I love this. Your Mum was so cool to have done this for you. I lost my own Mum last year and things like this remind me of how truly wonderful Mums are.
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Wow do you have any non Zeppelin related apparel or are you Zep all the way through to your bron yr aur boxers and JPJ signature sock suspenders?
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So what If he doesn’t like Led Zeppelin! Everyone has their own taste. I don’t particularly like sardines but for some reason I like toast and marmite with Tabasco.
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11 hours ago, 76229 said:
"Queen + that bloke who looks like Peter Andre" isn't Queen either. As the years go by, and the Stones start to sound like their own tribute band, I'm more convinced than ever that Zeppelin made the right decision. I've said it before, but the MTV era would have ruined the mystique. No more not appearing on TV policy. "and that was Duran Duran and here is Led Zep", nope I just can't conceive of it.
I never understood the Queen + concept. Surely if they wanted to really get it right it should have been Queen + Whoever - (John Deacon + Freddie Mercury) =
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Nobody's mentioning Stairway? I thought it was fabulous the first time I heard it when the drums came in.
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3 hours ago, Mithril46 said:
Well, supposedly Jimmy had the final mixdown authority on ITTOD, and when the band took the weekend breaks, Page would
work on the tapes at his home studio. So maybe in fact he didn't take on the final mix, all this seems strange. Remember too
some of JPJ's keyboard sounds, some cool, many not, were or sounded harsh and digital. Actually still can't believe someone
didn't tell Jonesy that's enough, leave it at home. Funny how many new wave bands, even classic rock bands embraced those
digital monstrosities( some sounds were cool, not all bad). But starting ? 10-15 yrs ago, there was a large move to ressurect
the analog keys of the 50's, 60's, and 70's, with many of the troublesome quirks fixed(Mellotron, great example). Anyway Polar
sudios was sterile, but I think anyplace the album was recorded not sure that would make the album much better. I mean the
first Firm album, IMO the songwriting is mostly uninspiring regardless of mix or recording venue.
The Yamaha GX-1 JPJ used was an analogue synth not digital.
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15 hours ago, Boleskinner said:
I wished they had returned to the Presence studios in Germany for ITTOD, instead of being tight arses and going to Sweden to take up ABBA's offer of free use of their new studio.
Do you know for certain that the studio was free? I know ABBA were very keen for them to record there but I've never heard that it was offered gratis.
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I think the slap back echo in Candy Store Rock was a nod to the early rock n roll recordings of the 50's which the song was trying to emulate
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8 hours ago, IpMan said:
I always loved the mix on Presence and think the overall production is one of Page's finest moments.
It's all subjective, we like what we like. Then again, ITTOD did have a horrible mix upon initial release in 79'. If ITTOD sounded as good in 79' as it did on the new remaster, I believe the album would have more admirers.
But it's the same mix? So are you saying that rather than having a bad mix ITTOD was actually badly mastered in the first place?
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On 17/06/2017 at 2:44 PM, blindwillie127 said:
I'll bet it took less time for Townshend & Daltrey to make this "hard decision" than the "half a minute" it took you to find the answer to my question...a lot less. Besides, the Ox wouldn't have given a shit either way:
“I wasted my whole fucking career on The Who,” he said between gulps of Remy Martin brandy, his favourite tipple. “Complete fucking waste of time. I should be a multi-millionaire. I should be retired by now. I’ll be known as an innovative bass player. But that doesn’t help get my swimming pool rebuilt and let me sit on my arse watching TV all day. I wouldn’t want to, but I’d like the chance to be able to.”
This interview took place in the mid-nineties, at a time when John’s frustration at The Who’s post-Moon stop-start career, itself a product of Townshend’s need to find creative fulfilment elsewhere, was at its worst. There was also the gut-wrenching realisation that because of catastrophic business moves in the mid-sixties The Who would never make anything like as much as they deserved in royalties from the sales of their records. It is not hard to imagine John brooding over the rock star names in the Sunday Times Rich List, the individual Beatles, Stones, Floyds, Zeppelins and Queens, and, brandy bottle to hand, cursing his luck that he wasn’t amongst them.
I thought the reason they kept getting back together was because John Entwhistle wasn't particularly savvy with his spending and needed to pay off his debts.
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6 hours ago, craigled said:
That is a good thing babysquid.
Lol
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The fact that this forum is beginning to read like teenybopper fanzine!
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On 04/05/2015 at 7:16 PM, les57paul said:
Gabrielle, It has been stated by all three members that it wasn't the album "led zep" would make.
Yet it was the album "led zep" made. As for Jimmy and Bonzo stating that the next album would be what Led Zeppelin was all about. I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Bonzo never stated anything. It comes from a quote from Jimmy that was made about twenty years later.
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20 hours ago, Mithril46 said:
Even in 85'( even now, actually) guitar synths were toys for guitarists to play
around with at home, and a good keyboard/synth could almost always sound better than a guitar synth, and do
emulations of other instruments better.
Hmmmm.... not sure I agree with any of that. Jimmy certainly didn't think so.
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3 hours ago, the chase said:
He probably wasn't being serious.
I thought Robert's answer about John Paul Jones was honest and made some sense. But it was handled wrong. A call, business meeting, something was called for out of "professional courtesy" as Steve rightly put it, if not a professional obligation. His one liners and sarcastic wit cause a lot of unnecessary problems and bad feelings.
I find Jimmy Page more disappointing, at least in this interview.. He didn't, from what I gather have any type of issue with David Coverdale. Pleading the 5th was odd and kind of wimpy.
Of course this is a transcription and all the subtle nuances and inflections may be lost including Page's. On the other hand these guys are old hands at this and should know how the game plays...
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5 hours ago, in_the_evening said:
So RP doesn't think much of Phil Johnstone, is that what he is saying?
this may come across as harsh, but my God is Page a pussy when it comes to defending someone like Coverdale, when it might offend Plant.
I'm not sure if he was being entirely serious. They'd just wrapped the issue up reasonably diplomatically and just as the interviewer points this out he comes out with this. I think it's an attempt at humor. Maybe an off the cuff joke that doesn't translate to the page very well.
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15 hours ago, Mercurious said:
Hmm. Sounds the same as the 1969 BBC live show to me. When Coda was originally released, the liner notes said it was recorded at a rehearsal, which I knew couldn't be right b/c it sounded identical to the BBC live version. That was confusing. At the time there was no DVD or anything of the RAH show, so it had to be the BBC version, or so I thought. Did he change it to RAH later on?
The album notes also say "We're Gonna Groove" was recorded at Morgan Studios, but that's clearly from RAH. Guess he didn't want people to know any of it was live?
EDIT NOTE - The BBC show is the complete Playhouse Theatre "One Night Stand" show originally aired Aug. 1969. Opens with Communications Breakdown, goes into ICQYB, Dazed, White Summer, You Shook Me, HMMTs. Taped it off of Westwood One or WXRT-Chicago's Sunday Night Unconcert series. You could also tape the 1971 Paris Theatre BBC concert, aired once a year or so.
I can't quit you from coda was from the RAH. The actual show not the rehearsal, this has been documented by Dave Lewis. We're gonna groove basic track and vocals are from RAH with overdubs added at Sol studios for the release.
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3 hours ago, Boleskinner said:
Yeah, I get all that - it's his beef with Grant and Page I don't fully understand.
To be honest we can only speculate. He was still quite young, possibly angry at his and his family's situation and needed to lay the blame somewhere. Whilst you rightly pointed out that it was quite possibly ultimately his decision to leave I would suspect that Grant and Page, having his (and the bands) best interests at heart, strongly suggested that he go and they became the scapegoat for his frustrations.
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4 hours ago, Boleskinner said:
Am I missing something?
I thought each member was taxed on their individual earnings, so Plant ultimately had the choice to stay or leave the UK.
Was he under pressure from Page and Grant to join the band in Malibu and work on new material?
And if he was away from home anyway, would it not be better to keep busy with an album rather than have more spare time to mope around and miss his family?
I get why Plant is frustrated with his injury and the exile bit, but not why he was fuming at Page and Grant.
I think what you are missing ( and I must stress I think, I'm not totally sure) is that due to the tax situation in the U.K at the time if Robert ( or any member) had stayed in the UK they would be in debt. Therefore rather than Robert abandoning his family so he could selfishly keep his money it could be seen that his actions to avoid bankruptcy were perhaps the more sensible and responsible thing to do by them.
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I think that was back in 1980
Had LZ's members never met, would we have heard of them all today?
in Led Zeppelin Master Forum
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Is he “SO AFRAID” or has he just moved on?