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On 9/10/2016 at 1:32 PM, IpMan said:
One of the aspects of Jimmy which is often overlooked is the herculean feat he performed in the Firm. Like them or hate them, Jimmy essentially completely re-invented his playing style in 1983 using the B-Bender in ways no rock guitarist (to my humble knowledge) had ever done before. Jimmy receives no credit for this and I just don't understand why. This phase is just as important as him picking up the bow and drawing it against the strings for the first time. Plus, playing a B-Bender in the fashion Jimmy did in the Firm is god damn difficult as hell. Those phrasings and progressions in conjunction with the B-Bender are very, very difficult yet little to no credit is given. I would have loved to see a fusion of his B-Bender style with his C/P style as I think it would have completely re-invented rock guitar.
Sadly, an opportunity missed.
Spot on. There's a great clip on youtube in 85? when Page is explaining the b-bender in a guitar world intv.
He's half cut but it's interesting.
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Nice pics. Thanks for the link. Jimbo looks really relaxed, healthy and happy in them.
Sometimes I think he should have done more with Coverdale. They had chemistry and it was Page's best playing since Zep finished.
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22 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
This was The Firm's first London gig, and they played another at the same venue the next night. Ahmet Ertegun is in the dressing room the band is shown exiting as they make their way to the stage. Ahmet mentioned to Jimmy that Eric Clapton had expressed a favorable opinion of the group, which Jimmy was genuinely pleased to hear.
Roy Harper and David Gilmour attended both shows as guests of Jimmy's.
Trust Clapton, who never had a good word to say about Zeppelin, to like The Firm: Page's most boring and stodgy project, post-Zep. Although, Page's playing was great in this live show and I love Cadillac.
Sums up Clapton really: a fantastic blues player, but someone who has not taken any musical chances since Cream.
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9 hours ago, renounce said:
I'm late to join this thread but for me it's TSRTS hands down. TSRTS has standout versions of NQ, DAC, STH, NQ, WLL, The Ocean, and CD (the pre-2007 version.) In fact, I would say the versions of STH, DAC and NQ are serious contenders for 'greatest ever' versions. That whole July '73 MSG run has a lovely kind of laid-back intensity to it. The band are hot after a long tour but are also tired and aren't trying too hard. Also, by '73 the band had learnt to just relax and let the music breathe, without pushing it too hard. The spacey jam in OTHAFA is a prime example.
As for HTWWW; well, I'm not the biggest fan of '72 Zep anyway. They seemed to be in no-man's-land that year between the ferocity of their ealy years, and the expansion of their mid and later years. Somehow these HTWWW performances just don't do much for me. There is not a single song peformance that is truly one for the ages and there are superior versions to all these songs elsewhere, though the acoustic set is memorable and very nicely captured.
Brilliant observation and one which I totally agree with. I often listen/watch the Denmark B&W performance or '73 onwards, but that '72 tour is like you say a no-mans land between the raw early years and the refined aesthetics of mid-period Zep. I actually like that Plants voice is lower and he is not screaming as much from '73 onwards, as it suits the material and adds more emotional depth to his singing.
Another factor is that your brain sub-consciously links the SRTS soundtrack to the footage in the movie. So you have a strong visual reference, which is not there for HTWWW.
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25 minutes ago, SteveAJones said:
I'm actually alright with that having been his primary guiding principle for the companion discs, however it seems most of us had great unmet expectations for what that would yield.
ha ha. bit of a typo there.
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I think some live versions and the best of the outtake stuff for each album would have been great. That would have satisfied fans.
I mean, imagine having a killer live Trampled Underfoot from 1980 or Sick Again from 1975. A top quality SB would have sufficed, if no multi-tracks were available.
This argument from Page that he wanted to put out stuff that wasn't on bootleg already doesn't wash for me.
80 per cent of the companion discs are boring, slightly different alternate mixes
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The Beatles anthology was what we were looking for. The list of tracks for the imminent Pink Floyd early years box set looks fab too.
Two scenarios:
- Page didn't want to release warts and all rehersal versions and alt takes in less than pristine quality
- There wasn't anything left in the can.
Personally, I love the film Let it Be and other movies, box sets, which give an insight into the creative process of our heros. I'd much rather have had that - if it was possible - than the alt mixes, which are mostly one listen jobs.
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You mentioned Custard Pie, there. Always baffled me why that and Wanton Sing weren't staples of the 75 tour. As you say, you could have relegated Rock and Roll and another older tune to the encores or shortened D&C. Seems like a wasted opportunity to try new material. Custard Pie would have been a great opener.
Coverdale/Page
in Pre / Post-Zeppelin Forum
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The album is full of cheesy bluster from Coverdale, but I love Page's playing on it, and let's face it Plant couldn't sing like that anymore, even in 1991.
Songs like Pride and Joy and Shake my Tree get the blood pumping.