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The Rover. You can actually here the drum set breathing through the song.
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There will never be a doc on LZ. There is very limited or any real good footage. Solid interviews or even backstage stuff is rarer than Bigfoot sightings. That’s why we love them. The less we know.
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This performance , which bests 5/24, proved to me what a fantastic vocalist Robert is. This second vocal break at the end where he just pushes himself to the brink adding some soul and deep blues phrasing. After 4 1/2. 3 hr shows and his voice not exactly in top form how he musters this up is simply amazing. . Along with a smile at the end...
Cant seem to get footage on here ..whoever can...a big thanks.
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A pivotal time , live playing wise, in their career. I believe this is where the cracks started to show. On the 1972 American tour Robert went to using a very high pitched almost constant falsetto. I believe that was the point where he just blew it out. As you can hear in HTWWW , to me, it lacks any depth and quite annoying. I prefer , believe it or not, TSRTS voice technique as in The Rain Song. It was powerful yet teetering from night to night.
He was not going high anymore because he really consistently could not. There are moments like in LA in 1973 where Plant is devastating but he’s moving his voice around finding it’s strongest point because at this point there wasn’t much high register left. 1972 is where the inconsistency started especially in Japan. -
Figures , Robert sounds like crap. The only possible doable 8mm and it’s one of the worst nights of 1975. Percy ruined a lot of nights in 1975.
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Never enjoyed these shows. Just hated the sound of Jimmy tone and Robert voice. This , to me, was a critical time of a demise of live standards for LZ. This is where they started to get too loose and on the verge of sloppiness. America 1973 was around the corner and they were “pushing it” on this leg of the tour. This was one leg they should have put aside and rested for quite a while...especially Robert.
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Soundboards suck! I don’t get the attraction to SB. Makes the band sound flat. Give me a thunderous audience recording so I can hear what they heard in the 1970s. I read reviews of the heavy “ thunder “ of the live shows but sounds very mean and mild with soundboards.
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Just wondering about the delay..or is it no big deal? Foreigner, Aerosmith, and so forth. Is there a reason why these four lads have been declined over and over. I realize they aren’t a “song based “ band like The Who as JPJ has stated. It’s all a puzzle.
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I have always been a huge fan of the Montreal 1975 show. The STH solo is simply astounding and when it hits its peak , it’s Bonzo who just plays off Jimmy that sends chills through my body every time I hear it. I have also come across an HD version of STH Earls Court , solo only, with video and with incredible audience sound. It really gives the band the due they deserve. To hear Bonzo’s drums sounding so powerful and clear with awesome tone against Jimmy’s solo is something that old timers like me will never ever see again with the future of rock n roll. I love Jimmy’s tone in 1975 on STH, especially the solo. I feel the difference from 1973 lies with the solo going into areas of more melody and with John’s added tom tom work and off beat ( he’s playing with Jimmy) playing, it’s just incredible. Jimmy’s face buried in his long hair just adds to the mystic.
Do me a favor. Get on You Tube and get the Montreal snow in 1975 ... go to 2:18 ( hrs)....just freakin blast it. Just when you think he’s gonna pack in the solo, he pushes it even more with melodic note bending creating an emotional solo that sends shivers up the spine and John doing magic behind him. My favorite.
Any other recommendations ?
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The huge difference in the song is Bonham. The live recordings in Japan and Canada in 1971 compared with 1973 are staggering, in my opinion. Bonham and Jones are locked in sync while Jimmy goes off. JB then changed and started playing with Jimmy more and using his foot a lot less and open high and toms more.
In the Osaka recordings when Bonham was fighting with Plant and annoying the band , I believe JB left his high hat open deliberately to annoy the band and drown out Plant. You can also pick up while Jimmy is soloing 2nd time around , John just drops the beat I assume to try to piss him off. I could just see Page looking at these two young un schooled Midlands musicians and saying “ would you just get on with it John “!.
I hate to say this but the 1971 live versions are far superior since I believe Jimmy was playing much better and kinda left alone while JPJ and JB locked in. Only when Jimmys altered his tone and his soloing began to decline a bit, did Bonham start playing more with him than Jones.
I know I’m risking the next statement ( I am a a risk taker ) but I just feel that Bonham over plays a tad to mask some of Jimmys slurred sticky soloing , at times ( anything live circa 1977 ) , especially during the 1973 live versions of this song. The original on SRTS I do enjoy especially the 2nd solo but the remastered I rarely listen to. It lacks a heavy bottom sound and rhythm tightness than 1971 by far.
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Soul Train Brother is the best. A lot of the reactions are from people with black blues and rap backgrounds who hear a lot of that in Zeppelins music. Also, the heavy bottom bass and drums production really surprises people.
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On 5/18/2017 at 5:52 AM, SteveAJones said:
Taking other artists songs and claiming them as their own is the extent of how they changed music. Their impact on popular culture is nowhere close to that of The Beatles. They did have an impact on the music industry, specifically the percentage of the gate receipts they took as their share and touring without an opening act.
Your joking. Only a real musician would know that is a typical non listener view.
It was their ode to the blues ...
It was their sound.
Their bombastic balanced instrumental sound
Song structure without repeated chorus chants.
The sound of their music transcribed to radio perfectly
Album oriented without single releases
90 percent of gate
4 hr shows before Springsteen was even 20 yrs old
Perfectly producing that studio sound
Guitar overlays giving a thick bottom production
Repeated smart riffs using different chord structure and timing ( throws the listener off a bit )
You can’t pinpoint this band and that’s the real reason .. Early they were thrash metal like with a blues base. Then morphing into heavy riff and drum backbeats while introducing their acoustic side along with some psychedelics mixed in with intricate song structure with an underlying bass melody.
Being aloof and uncatorgorized is a gift in any art. Brando had it as an actor. Who can do Streetcar then play Julias Caesar in a two year span. The Beatles broke out in later years. The Rolling Stones ..pop? Rock ? Blues ?
But Zeppelin hold the torch because you can add the mystery of their low key media exposure and total independence from the music industry folly. They were a fans band.
Thats why
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Just listen to some tapes on the opening SRTS in 1977 and you can hear the double neck out of tune.
Just listening to The Rover intro plenty of times he goes out of tune.
Also during NQ in 1977 it seemed he was off key with Bonham's snare sound and Jonsey keys quite often. It didn’t blend well like in 75 and or course 1973.
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I loved those 1971 early 72 of Jimmy and Robert looking all conservative ( and playing wise too) with sweaters and beards.
It seemed like Jimmy was in such command almost from a collegiate standpoint playing masterfully fluent and conservative. I realize the times, but it seemed to me that was a poignant point before the excess arrived. There sound became hollowed in 1973 and 1975 a bit live, until the overloaded volumetric thunder of the 1977 tour. In 1977 whenever you saw Jimmy with a ciggy , in 1979 to at KW, ( not Copenhagen ), you knew he was escorted to the stage. His playing was downright at times just awful. Like his fingers were sown together , out of tune quite often in 1977, and couldn’t play the easiest guitar solo , one that he composed himself!
Jeez I must be bored in NJ making these early morning observations ....
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On 7/13/2010 at 1:06 PM, cheesehead1204 said:
Not sure if there's been a topic on this, but I figured I post this anyways. What is your least favorite track on each album? Mine:
LZ1: Black Mountain Side
LZ2: Ramble On
LZ3: Hats Off To (Roy) Harper
Untitled: The Battle Of Evermore
HOTH: The Crunge
PG: Black Country Woman
P: Candy Store Rock
ITTOD: Hot Dog
Ramble on ? You kidding me. Brilliant bass run line and magnificent guitar solo by Jimmy.
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There’s nothing !! Trust me. Just the thought or vision of someone other than Grant , Cole or a band member with a video or film camera equates a beat down. I would even bet Planty or Bonzo with a camera would get the wrath of Peter Grant.
Remember, this was a band that traveled and socialized , especially after 1970, like the mob with Grant being The Godfather. Small circles, heavy handed , suspicious of everything from record companies to concert promoters.
By 1975 the paranoia grew reaching a head in Oakland in 1977. Then the tragedy following. No wonder Robert is still bothered by that whole era. Robert seems very approachable and he was growing into a friendly affable bloke. All the others traveled in darkness with Jones off on his own.
The only footage I can think of is SRTS outtakes including the Pittsburg show and the band in their privacy from SRTS.. Pontiac 1977, maybe some Knebworth stuff. Nobody wants to see KW stuff , everyone wants to see the band in its glory days.
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Sorry never liked it live ...however, Earls Court I liked a bit cause it’s slowed down and lumbering like, which makes it heavy handed..which it should be. All others sound hollow to me.
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It would be quite difficult to do a quality information based Doc on the band since there is very little if no stage or off stage footage existing. What makes a music documentary so appealing is the hard to find footage...ala The Eagles ...The Beatles....Queen..
Whether all remaining members give interviews or not, without great hard to find backstage or off stage home or convert footage ...most people will be bored. Remember, they were worlds biggest underground band. Let’s keep it that way.
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He was a maturing young man. I think we all forget just how young he was. His voice was his most used muscle ( well maybe ...) and it is growing as it is being used constantly in all seasons. Robert was not a trained singer not many rock singers are. He used his throat too much and not pushing from his diaphragm. He was a blues singer who are naturally instinctive without any immediate control. They work as part of the rhythm not outside it. It’s quite difficult for Robert to hold on to that range for so long actually quite impossible. His voice changed as he did.
Having said that..some 1977 shows like MSG , he was fantastic. Really heard some better recordings lately that demonstrated in 1977 his Daltrey like power.
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How many guitar solos did heroin laced Jimmy have in each show ...
No Quarter
Acoustic Interlude
Pre Kashmir White Summer
electric bow solo
Heartbreaker ..if played
Talk about overindulgence and you can add a 30 minute drum solo.
All guitar solos played as if Jimmy just got his fingers in the mail that day.
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Why can’t he nail the Ten Years Gone solo. ? Didn’t Beck call Jimmy bumblefingers? A simple passage that he composed himself !!! plus the triple neck you can barely hear. Quite a lot of bad versions in both shows to many songs. This stands out as a cringe fest.
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He didn’t even nail it in the studio.!! Check out Montreal 1975 where he adds an extended solo at the end ( almost like a 3rd one ). He is lightening fast and in the groove.
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You will never hear the proper tone on bad recordings. These EC recordings are very sterile with no bottom. The 18th to me has the best overall heavy sound where Jimmy tone is more evident.
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Montreal 1975. You hear very clearly a bunch of young lads who were probably high as a kite however knowledgeable of the band. This is 1975 and at one time one of the kids requests Traveling Riverside Blues which didn’t see the public or radio light till about 1989 from the original box set.
After Kashmir all you hear is “ holy Fuck”,,!!
Great appreciative Canadian crowd.
Revisiting - I’m Gonna Crawl
in Led Zeppelin Master Forum
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I must say sometimes these You Tube reaction videos even make me rethink a song. It is a stellar send off for the band. Maybe take down the JPJ orchestration approach and turn up Jimmy’s guitar and you have a gem of a song with an outstanding solo. However, it’s Robert who takes command here and gives one of his best , most passionate vocal takes. Sounds better with age.