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On 4/18/2020 at 12:47 PM, John M said:
I was surprised to hear Ian Gillan say in the AXS-TV Classic Albums episode that Blackmore did not like this.
I agree with Ritchie. 'When A Blind Man Cries' is a good song but it doesn't fit with 'Machine Head'.
What's really fun about the 'Machine Head' documentary is the crying for 'When A Blind Man Cries' but there's not a single word for 'Lazy'... Crazy!
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42 minutes ago, reids said:
😎👍 cool stuff
Hughes is one of my favorite singers (especially his work with Black Country Communion.
It’s a shame Coverdale is having some vocal issues the past few years. He’s having the others in Whitesnake sing more to help him lately, which is good.
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I like the first two BCC albums very much. Then I lost the track of the band, although I listened to a couple of songs from the other two albums. I have to take some time to listen to them, but now I'm on to other things.
Yes, Coverdale is helped by the other members of the band, and also by the audience. Still, seeing it live is amazing. I really enjoyed last year when I saw him with Europe. I was pleasantly surprised by a scream he made on 'Still Of The Night', he's still got a bit more.
I'd like that when he can't handle the loudest songs, he changes the set-list to "calmer" songs. In fact, a tour in the style of 'Starkers In Tokyo' would not be bad at all.
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35 minutes ago, JohnOsbourne said:
Stormbringer is too inconsistent. If you took the best songs from the first Rainbow album and combined them with the best songs from Stormbringer, you'd have an excellent DP album.
I think both albums are fantastic. I couldn't combine them, because 'Stormbringer' has a 'funky soul rock' vibe, and 'Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow' goes in a different direction with its medieval rock.
What is evident in Rainbow's first album is the absence of Cozy Powell, but it's still an epic album.
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11 hours ago, reids said:
😎🎸👍 cool.
i wish they’d re-release an official version w/ more tracks like “The Gypsy”.
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'Stormbringer' is a very underrated album.
Coverdale gave 'The Gypsy' a chance on 'The Purple Tour'. Also, Glenn Hughes, when I saw him in Buenos Aires two years ago, played 'Holy Man', although he later removed it from the set-list.
'Stormbringer' is much more than the title track and 'Soldier Of Fortune'.
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John Fogerty's daughter is beautiful! 😍
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16 hours ago, Brigante said:
Why would you leave this off Made In Europe?!
I have a CD of 'Made In Europe' Russian version (pirate for sure), that comes with some bonus tracks, among them, 'The Gypsy'.
I love the album 'Stormbringer', it was the first Deep Purple album I heard.
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'British Steel'... so many memories! ❤️
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Happy birthday Ritchie Blackmore! ⭐🌈♈💜
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Here I go again... I have déjà vu!
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Zep only has three living members.
Jimmy's never gonna play again, I think.
Robert's not interested in Led Zeppelin.
If they do something, only Plant and Jones will do it, but separately. Not based on Zep's music.
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On 4/7/2020 at 8:52 PM, Brigante said:
Hold up, did somebody basically say that Ian Paice wasn't good enough to be in Deep Purple?!
A-ha-ha-ha-ha. Yeah, good one.
That sound you can hear is all the dogs in Yorkshire laughing at you.
Ritchie Blackmore thought Paice was good enough, but you don't?
Think about that for a minute...
As for Ronnie Dio leaving Rainbow on good terms, let's not forget Roger Glover's yarn about him having to be the intermediary between Blackmore and Dio because they wouldn't actually talk to each other. Which fits with Blackmore saying of Dio that 'I couldn't talk to him any more...I saw him as this angry, bitter little man.'
And yeah, he did actually use the 'L' word...
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On 4/7/2020 at 1:51 PM, Badgeholder Still said:
Nice to see the love for Tommy Bolin.
If RB had not already made himself unwelcome in the band's presence, no doubt he would have played the songs he wanted to play. That's on him.
I stand corrected. He played with DP through 1998, and then continued to stay musically active until his death.
Really?
Wow. No credit for Paice, Glover or Gillian, OG members of MK II. Ritchie Blackmore has never accomplished anything without the help of other musicians, acting with him as a band. Whatever RB has accomplished as a "composer" means nothing without a great band to assist with bringing it to life. Keep in mind, he has never released a solo album, a project which spotlights him alone. He has always existed in a band to help see his vision realized.
This is absolutely not a comparable analogy. It's clear you have zero respect for the other DP members who helped create the classic and other great material. That's unfortunate but won't keep me up either. Rock on.
I'm not going to go into the same old issues, because we're never going to agree, and honestly, it's getting boring.
But let me be clear on one thing, although I don't have to prove anything to you, or anyone else: Paice, Gillan, and Glover, are heroes to me, I not only respect them, I admire them. In fact, I already said that Ian Paice is in my "Top 3" of favorite drummers along with John Bonham and Cozy Powell.
I also value very much the contributions they made to the era I enjoy in Deep Purple. Amazing musicians, I never discussed that.
Simply, in my opinion, the current line-up is still a cover band... I can't see it any other way, is it a crime?
I don't know, maybe I said it in a "little aggressive" way, but it wasn't my intention.
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15 hours ago, Autumn Moon said:
Never heard he said that "Come Taste The Band" wasn´t a DP album, why should he? They decided to carry on with Tommy Bolin and I remember a lot of flattering compliments from Jon for Tommy´s playing, his songwriting and for beeing the man he was. Not until things got out of hand and ugly during their US tour due to the increasing drug antics of both Bolin and Hughes, this is what Jon considered "not like Deep Purple anymore".
It's true that Jon has always had good words with Tommy (and I agree with him), but I also read in some interviews (many years ago) that he didn't consider 'Come Taste The Band' as a Deep Purple album, and that he should have left with Ritchie in '75.
Trust me, I'm not going to lie to "win" a forum discussion, I'm not so stupid.
I googled the interview, but I couldn't find it. I think there's something similar he said on the 'Phoenix Rising' DVD. I got it, but honestly, now I don't feel like watching the whole thing. But I've been watching some of the documentary stuff on YouTube.
5:28 Here he says "most people". Not him.
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6 minutes ago, Autumn Moon said:
Also, you are still a little confused about MK4: you don´t consider them to be a Deep Purple formation, your quotation of Jon Lord is completely out of context just to undermine your very personal point of view.
Why? It's true that Jon Lord has said that 'Come Taste The Band' is a fantastic album, but not by Deep Purple. He also said he should have left the band with Ritchie in '75. Why is this out of context?
7 minutes ago, Autumn Moon said:And to keep things really funny, you would have liked Tommy Bolin to be inducted as a former member of Deep Purple?????
You got me on this one. I really appreciate Tommy Bolin, for his album in Deep Purple, for his solo albums and his excellent participation in Billy Cobham's 'Spectrum'.
But you're right about this, the Bolin thing is pure emotion and feeling on my part.
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3 minutes ago, reids said:
wouldn’t say hello nor even sign an autograph for a young fan battling cancer who was a special guest of the band
That's very sad. That's too bad, I admit. I'm not a blind fan of Ritchie, I've already said that. But it doesn't change anything I've said in this thread either.
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31 minutes ago, reids said:
All the best with your music
You've edited your post, so I haven't seen this. I appreciate that. And I'm also "healthy" jealous that you met Ritchie... Did you have a good time, any stories?
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13 minutes ago, reids said:
As a matter of fact, I’ve met Ritchie (in the early 90s). He lives in / around Long Island, NY (one of the hot spots for corona virus right now) as well as in various places on the west coast, when in the US. Have you? What is your point?
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Which I think is irrelevant to the discussion we have about whether or not you've met the current members of the band or other musicians and people related to the music world. I don't understand what's your point.
Oh, and I didn't know any members of Deep Purple.
Of the ex-members of Deep Purple, I have only attended concerts by David Coverdale, Glenn Hughes and Joe Lynn Turner.
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And that you've talked to all those people and even the current line-up of the band, what changes? I don't understand.
Did you talk with Ritchie Blackmore, too?
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5 hours ago, Badgeholder Still said:
How about some Ian Gillan... he's got a killer guitar player on this track.
Haha, I totally agree. Just before you commented, I was also going to say Glenn Hughes and Ian Gillan, really.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like Ian Gillan as a person, it's the truth. But I love his work at Deep Purple with Ritchie Blackmore, especially in the '70s.
Too many songs: 'Hallelujah', 'Bird Has Flown' (from BBC Sessions). 'Speed King', 'Bloodsucker', 'Child In Time', 'Fireball', 'Strange Kind Of Woman' (live), 'Slow Train', 'Freedom', 'Lazy', 'Space Truckin', 'Place In Line', and many more! And the screams in the live versions... delicious. -
3 hours ago, Badgeholder Still said:
Ok then, he was spared having to share a stage with Ian Gillan. So what's the problem?
The problem is that he did want to play some songs at the ceremony, and also, of course, attend. But I already quoted all the facts, I'm not going to quote them again, unless you want to, but I'd prefer that you read them, if you haven't already.
3 hours ago, Badgeholder Still said:Mk II was the classic lineup with the classic songs. Ian Gillian is the voice of those songs, Roger Glover the bottom and Ian Paice the heartbeat. They are still out there doing it, as was Lord until his dying breath, including new material on a regular basis. They deserve, at least, the same respect RB does, and have every right to perform the classic material. Just as RJD stated in the above video, the music is a band effort, not just RB and some other guys.
Blackmore, once upon a time, decades ago, before the turn of the century, made a significant musical contribution to this band. DP has persevered now, since RB's departure in '93, for longer than he was ever in the band, '70s, 80's & '90's combined. He is part of a current, working band's history.
Jon Lord left the band many, many years before he passed away!!!
My answer to everything else you wrote, is the same as I told to "reids" a few moments ago... -
18 hours ago, reids said:
I presented historical facts and you present emotion / opinion because you’re a Blackmore devotee (professional and personal; thinking he can do no wrong). THIS is the Focus and I stand on evidence, so let’s agree to disagree, because I’m not changing my mind and you’re not wanting to look at the facts. I enjoy DP music of all their lineups. You only enjoy a certain segment of their lineup/ history.
I have also presented historical facts, in addition to my opinion, of course.
For example: when I quoted that Ritchie Blackmore has confessed that he is (was) the main composer of all the songs of the band. That's a historical fact, not an opinion.
But you have also presented emotions and opinions about Blackmore and the current lineup of the band, and it's okay, it's not a sin. Besides, those "historical facts" you have presented, I knew how to refute them with good arguments, "historical facts", not opinions.
But yes, I agree that we will never agree, and it's good that we do, why should people agree on everything? It would be very boring!
It's great that you enjoy all Deep Purple's lineups. It's also great that I only enjoyed the '68 to '93.
By the way, yes, I'm a big fan of Ritchie Blackmore, thanks to him and Jimmy Page I've been very interested in music and especially in the guitar since I was about 13 years old (2003), I studied at the Classical Music Conservatory of my hometown, where I met one of the greatest loves of my life (now ex-girlfriend, but I could also consider her as a "friend"). So I owe a lot to Ritchie, I won't deny it, but I also have many differences with him, if you're interested I can tell you about them whenever you want.
18 hours ago, reids said:No one said there was anything wrong with Ian Paice or the name Deep Purple. You brought that up for some unknown reason (where there is no argument; Paice was and is within his legal and moral right as last surviving / remaining member after Jon Lord R.I.P. passed away). It’s served him, the music and the loyal fans well (whatever lineup over the years). Think of it like a football / soccer team. Although a certain defining sound / direction or template was created by some earlier members, the band carried on. When some players aren’t team oriented, they lose focus of the intention of the band and want everything directed at them (as Dio said in video regarding Blackmore (w/ Rainbow). He (Blackmore) wasn’t a team player there (or in DP). He’s always been all about himself, so he left. He had a tantrum (actually multiple ones like a child along with his breakdown) and then didn’t want anyone else to play under the DP name (so he tried to keep others (the majority) who were and are happily functioning better without him some 20 years after the fact from playing as a team (under the name).
There's just your mistake. A band isn't like a football team. If Ritchie has decided to quit in '93, being the main composer of the band, and the characteristic sound next to Jon Lord, if the band continues under the name of "Deep Purple" it loses "a little" credibility.
A band can't function better when it lacks the essence, the soul, which is the main thing of all things, the engine. Just thinking about it is ridiculous. It may be that the current members are happier, get along better and are all rosy, but that has nothing to do with the music and what Deep Purple stands for.
For all my arguments and more, I think Ian Paice, and the current line-up, have no right to play under the name of Deep Purple (think of the example of Creedence Clearwater Revisited that I mentioned before), although I don't really care, it's not something that takes away my sleep, that they play under whatever name they want.
By the way, Jon Lord left the band many years before he passed away.18 hours ago, reids said:Blackmore for DP is like the Vinnie Vincent of KISS. Vincent, as talented as he was as a critical songwriter for many of their 80s - 90s hits and blazingly fast guitarist with KISS, he simply didn’t put his ego / abrasive personality in check before getting on stage. He tried to upstage Paul and Gene live and wouldn’t stop soloing so they fired him. Ace Frehley (KISS’ original guitarist) created their logo, but he’s not in the group now. He didn’t demand they change their name or logo after he left them or try to get his logo back. Paul Stanley actually updated / improved upon the look (of the two SS) of the logo. KISS like most every other band (in the history of rock n roll) moves on with various lineup changes. Fleetwood Mac has undergone multiple lineup changes, too (Peter Green original blues guitarist and now without Lindsey Buckingham ; their most popular songwriter/guitarist ) and they’re still selling out stadiums like Deep Purple (regardless of lineup changes). The Beatles had Pete Best as their original drummer before Ringo. Yes has had so many versions, too and they’re still together (after Chris Squire R.I.P. , Bruford retired, Jon Anderson left forming his own version of the band with Wakeman and Trevor Rabin (who wrote their biggest hit “Owner of a Lonely Heart” (after Steve Howe, who wrote “Roundabout”, which was actually Deep Purple’s earlier name when touring Denmark in April ‘68 ).
But the current line-up of the band, if it fills stadiums (as you say), does so because it plays at least 90% of songs composed by Blackmore. I'd like them to fill stadiums with 90% of Morse Era songs, and the remaining 10% from Blackmore's, if they want.
It's a bit strange, to be honest. Think if AC/DC played 90% of Bon Scott Era songs and 10% of Brian Johnson's, it would be a shame.
18 hours ago, reids said:So, if DP kept their name as Roundabout throughout the late 60s into 70s, would some early fans of the band have thought of them as a Yes tribute (cover) band ? Probably not.
And again, I refute with "historical facts", not with emotions or personal opinions. The band was not called "Roundabout" because of Yes, it was Chris Curtis' idea (former drummer of 'The Searchers').
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8 hours ago, Canadianzepper said:
the outro in Black Dog
Nah... are you kidding, right?
I love every little detail of every Zep's song, but I admit Jimmy's solo in 'OTHAFA' may seem "strange". If I'm not mistaken the song is in G, but Jimmy's solo is in F#.
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