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12 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
ST-A-681461-PR
ST = stereo
A = Atlantic Records label
68 = last two digits of the year Atlantic first received source (tape) and started working on mastering
1461 = tape master number (for side one in this example)
PR = Presswell pressing plantA = Atlantic
AT = Mastered by/for Atlantic
W = Audiodisc lacquer brand
LWP = LongWear Plating
RP = probably the Laquer-Cutting Engineer's initials
RG = Rob Grenell, Mastering Engineer for Atlantic in the late 60s
Does this information allow me to determine whether this record was from the original or a subsequent pressing? Thanks
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2 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
ST-A-681461-PR
ST = stereo
A = Atlantic Records label
68 = last two digits of the year Atlantic first received source (tape) and started working on mastering
1461 = tape master number (for side one in this example)
PR = Presswell pressing plantA = Atlantic
AT = Mastered by/for Atlantic
W = Audiodisc lacquer brand
LWP = LongWear Plating
RP = probably the Laquer-Cutting Engineer's initials
RG = Rob Grenell, Mastering Engineer for Atlantic in the late 60s
Now THAT is what I’m talking about! Ding ding ding! We have a winner!
Seriously, thank you. This is EXACTLY what I’m looking for.
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Okay, lets put some of this knowledge to use. (Translation: someone tell me what I can’t figure out on my own.) I just picked up a used VG+ copy of LZI. On the label: SD 8216. Deadwax, there’s a bunch of stuff. ST-A-681461 on side A and same but ending in 2 on side B. Also in deadwax: A, AT, W, LWP, RP, RG. These last two appear only on side A.
Who wants to play?
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This looks like a great place to start. Thanks all. A quick follow up, if you don’t mind. I see notations like these often: A/1, B/3, etc. Can anyone shed any light on what these designate? Thanks again!
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On 1/11/2021 at 6:35 PM, Annamilia said:
Good point! Knowing the price range for this particular record 200 seems way too good to be true. Hope no one gets tricked into buying stuff like that... Oh and please post that request, I would love to have a lesson on that as well ☺️
Posted this to main forum yesterday. It’s still early, but no replies. I’ll post here also.
A request: Record Identification Tutorial (Vinyl 101)
So, what do all those letters and numbers mean? Another newbie and I thought it might be helpful if some of you experts would be gracious enough to pass on some of your knowledge in this area. On the label and in the dead wax there are codes. (For example, I’ve noticed many of my LZ records have “SD” followed by numbers in the upper half of the label, ST-A- followed by numbers beneath the track listings.) Anyone willing to give us a brief lesson on what these mean and more importantly what we should look for as vinyl collectors? Much thanks!
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So, what do all those letters and numbers mean? Another newbie and I thought it might be helpful if some of you experts would by gracious enough to pass on some of your knowledge in this area. On the label and in the dead wax there are codes. (For example, I’ve noticed many of my LZ records have “SD” followed by numbers in the upper half of the label, ST-A- followed by numbers beneath the track listings.) Anyone willing to give us a brief lesson on what these mean and more importantly what we should look for as vinyl collectors? Much thanks!
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On 1/11/2021 at 6:35 PM, Annamilia said:
Good point! Knowing the price range for this particular record 200 seems way too good to be true. Hope no one gets tricked into buying stuff like that... Oh and please post that request, I would love to have a lesson on that as well ☺️
I’ll try to remember to do it tomorrow. Thanks for the reminder.
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On 1/10/2021 at 3:02 PM, Annamilia said:
Thank you guys so much for your advice and opinions. ❤️
I am currently trying to organize my vinyls and document my collection in Discogs (so thankful for that website) and I will keep looking out for good records on eBay as well as @zeplz71 suggested!
@zoso_jobes I feel your struggle, that turquoise one isn't the easiest one to get for sure it seems! Hope you will get the chance to get one again!
Thanks for sharing your experiences @scdfndr, that definitely helped a lot! My dad knows a lot of good record vendors around Europe so maybe I should ask him to keep an extra eye on the market to see if there's some Led Zeppelin gold out there 😊Hope your recreated collection turns out just the way you want it, hope to read from you on here 😊
Of course. It’s fun and interesting to share in each other’s musical explorations. Your post inspired me to post a request — a basic tutorial on record identification. (What do all those letters and numbers mean?) I definitely need a lesson. Will do that soon.
Be ware of this scam, when looking for the turquoise label. I came across what purported to be one on Ebay for $200. Too good to be true, right? Yes indeed. The label actually isn’t turquoise but blue and it’s a fake. There’s a brief discussion on it on the Steve Hoffman vinyl forum, which is a gold mine of information, if you haven’t come across it.
Good luck and happy listening!
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Cool. Thank you.
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Ah! Thanks! I actually have that file folder also. Are these the same performances that would later be BBC Sessions, Paris ‘71?
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Anyone seen this before (pics attached)? It’s a white vinyl, picture disc with live STH on one side and live Heartbreaker on the other. It sounds like the same recordings that are on BBC Sessions. BUT, I bought this at a record show circa 1982, decades before the BBC record was released. (I think.) I looked online and could not find any other evidence of its existence. Any idea where this came from, how rare it is, etc.? I’m mostly just curious. Thanks
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1 hour ago, Annamilia said:
Thank you guys so much for your advice and opinions. ❤️
I am currently trying to organize my vinyls and document my collection in Discogs (so thankful for that website) and I will keep looking out for good records on eBay as well as @zeplz71 suggested!
@zoso_jobes I feel your struggle, that turquoise one isn't the easiest one to get for sure it seems! Hope you will get the chance to get one again!
Thanks for sharing your experiences @scdfndr, that definitely helped a lot! My dad knows a lot of good record vendors around Europe so maybe I should ask him to keep an extra eye on the market to see if there's some Led Zeppelin gold out there 😊Hope your recreated collection turns out just the way you want it, hope to read from you on here 😊
Of course. It’s fun and interesting to share in each other’s musical explorations. Your post inspired me to post a request — a basic tutorial on record identification. (What do all those letters and numbers mean?) I definitely need a lesson. Will do that soon.
Be ware of this scam, when looking for the turquoise label. I came across what purported to be one on Ebay for $200. Too good to be true, right? Yes indeed. The label actually isn’t turquoise but blue and it’s a fake. There’s a brief discussion on it on the Steve Hoffman vinyl forum, which is a gold mine of information, if you haven’t come across it.
Good luck and happy listening!
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As some of you know, I’ve Been recreating my LZ vinyl collection. This forum has proven invaluable in the process. I’ve now done my own research and listening and can share the results. IMO, any non-remastered vinyl (I’m still learning the vocabulary and hesitate to say “original”) beats out any remastered vinyl, including the Classic Records remasters, which sound very, very good. The problem lies in finding clean copies of records produced 40-50 years ago. I now own 6 Classic Records remasters. They sound great. But, aside from the surface noise that usually accompanies old vinyl, my beat up used purchases from the 80s sound better (although not cleaner, or quieter) than the CR reissues. They just have more punch. I obviously have not compared every pressing, so take my opinions with a grain of salt. (Where does that expression come from, anyway?) So, I guess I’m advocating for clean copies of non remastered vinyl, if you can find it. After that, the CRs. Out of curiosity, I picked up a new copy of the recently remastered LZ One. Sad to say, it’s pretty anemic. I’ve listened to the other newly remastered albums, but only via streaming. I cannot advocate for the new remasters over the others, unless budget is a concern, as it very well may be.
I’ve found almost all of my recent purchases on EBay and Discogs. But not all. I find just googling what you’re looking for will bring up what you need, not only on Ebay and Discogs, but also smaller, online vendors.
Good luck. Most importantly, have fun in this exciting, sonic journey.
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On 12/31/2020 at 10:18 AM, zoso_jobes said:
You made a fantastic decision. The Project turntables are quite nice. Use the red cartridge for now and upgrade to the blue after. Let us know if you find the Classic Records reissues. It seems like eBay is usually your best bet but they are getting expensive. Check Discogs daily as well. I will also keep an eye out and reach out to you if I find any.
Thanks for checking in. Yes, I’ve managed to track down all CR reissues except I and ITTOD. (Presence is on its way.) The prices have been steep, but nowhere near as high as some I’ve seen. I swear, I see some CRs for over $500 and at least one copy of I for, I kid you not, $1.4k Because I know some are interested, at risk of being gauche, I got all for between $100-175, mostly on EBay, looking daily and snatching up “buy nows” instead of waiting for auctions. All in M or NM. I did spend $240 on PG, but it’s my favorite and obviously a double LP. I’m very happy with the sound quality of all so far.
I took the opportunity to listen also to the later remasters but only streaming. I must admit, especially on III and IV, I hear things I’ve never heard before. BUT, the vibrancy and punch is just not there, compared to all my vinyl copies, even my beat up old ones. Speaking of punch, I couldn’t resist a $40 double RL II. Yes, you get what you pay for. It’s pretty beat up. No skips or jumps, but a lot of surface noise. That said, if you tune out the fuzz and pops you really notice the difference. It beats the CR IMO.
Thats the update. Thanks for the post. And yes, if anyone sees a good deal on I or ITTOD by CR, feel free to pass that on.
Great forum!
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5 hours ago, jsj said:
If you’re going into the expensive vinyl world you need to know that cleanliness is essential, Get a carbon fibre brush, some and a stylus cleaner, at the least and use them. I have a vinyl cleaning machine for old vinyl. In the main i find crackling is caused by dust and dirt and not scratched vinyl. I wish I’d have known thirty years ago what I know now
Funny that you should mention it. That was to be my next research project — how to clean vinyl. Thanks for this. I think you may have omitted a word, above — after “brush,” you wrote “some,” and I can’t tell what substance you’re referring to. Please let me know and I’ll get right on it. Just cleaning my old records may greatly improve the sound, from what I’ve read. Thanks again. This forum is great.
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14 hours ago, Autumn Moon said:
Bravo, you made a good decision to purchase the Pro-Ject turntable!
About the vinyl: I bought LZ I - Houses Of The Holy on Classic Records 200 gram round about 2002, the price was $ 45 each. The pressing quality is excellent & they sound incredible, no doubt. Also, I have the 2014 remasters and I think they sound quite good, too. Considering the extreme high prices for the Classic Records I would recommend you to try the 2014 remasters first, guess you won´t be unhappy with them.
Awesome. Thanks for the input.
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For anyone still following this thread, thanks for all of the great advice. I used the opportunity to have a conversation with my wife about the Crosley she gave me. (It was fine.) Last week, after much research, I purchased a Pro Ject Debut Carbon Esprit TT (scores points for longest name), with an acrylic platter, auto speed control, and an Ortofon Red cartridge. (I may upgrade to Blue, but right now, the Red suits me.) I paired it with powered speakers from Klipsch, The Fives. The system sounds awesome to me and looks even better. You might be surprised to hear how much sound (rich, warm, full) these small speakers produce. I’ve decided to now search for the Classic Records reissues for all Zep titles. Man, they are expensive! I’m kicking myself for not doing this sooner, when what (I think) went for $30 now goes for $400 and greater! I’ll return with reports on sound quality, should anyone be interested. Thanks again.
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On 11/5/2010 at 3:04 AM, SteveAJones said:
She gave an ultimatum so it was probably her who left him. Regardless, I take "never gonna leave ya" and "holding on, ten years gone" to mean he cherished
his memories of her during what may have been a first love relationship and understandably reflected on it from time to time.
Yes. That.
And to the original poster, thanks for reminding me of (probably) my favorite LZ ballad, some of RPs best lyrics, AND I think Page’s early use of the Telecaster with B string bender. Is is the first?
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Thanks all for the great advice. I’ve since been weighing whether to replace my old system with a modern one that will take up less room and be more aesthetically pleasing. So, I’m contemplating buying a nice turntable with built in pre-amp and high quality powered speakers. My concern is eliminating the stand alone amplifier will sacrifice sound quality. I really want to play audiophile quality LPs. I’m willing to sacrifice SOME measure of sound quality for convenience and appearances, but if a new set up sounds no better than CDs, the purpose of a new system is defeated. I own a NAD 7020(e) receiver from the early 90s. I’ve seen some used for sale for I think more than I paid for it new. I could still use it.
So, long question short, can I get audiophile sound from a turntable with built in preamp and powered speakers (I’m looking at spending about $1k) or should I keep the receiver and build around it? Thanks again.
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17 hours ago, Xolo1974 said:
I’ve just bought the latest vinyl edition of PG. I have to say I’m very disappointed. To me, no noticeable improvement on the version I bought in the early to mid 90’s.
In my research, that album gets the most and strongest criticisms, by far. So, it's not just you.
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20 hours ago, jsj said:
Another thing to consider is how much time are you going to spend in critical listening mode, versus enjoying the audio ride? As long as the sound is good, and the latest releases generally are, and you’re equipment is good enough to create a good listening sound. Then do you need more?
If if you have a really top notch system then you probably do need the best versions such as the Classic Records releases, because the improvement in sonic quality will become more noticeable. If you just want to play the albums knowing you have good quality sound without getting all analytical then I’d say the latest releases are plenty good enough for that.
Its about matching the product to your system.
Good advice. I don't think my current system warrants the Classic Records releases. My goal at this point is to find the cleanest copies of the pre-remastered releases. I know that will be more costly (than simply buying the newly remastered copies) and more daunting a project. I also know there's a greater risk of getting a record that is not much better than the ones I currently have. (I've been playing my old copies and it's really I, II, III and PG I need to replace. The others are fine.) If that doesn't work out, I'll fall back on the new remastered copies. (I assume that's what you mean by "latest releases.") If anyone disagrees, please don't be shy about telling me. Thanks again for all of the suggestions. It's just what I needed.
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4 hours ago, zoso_jobes said:
Got it. Did a bit of research because I wasn't too familiar with that specific model.
Since its a P mount turntable, I would recommend going with the Ortofon sereies. Either the OM5 or OM10. I had both of these years ago on a few back up turntables and both sounded great. For an extra $10 I would just go with the OM10. You certainly don't want to spend more on a cartridge than your turntable is worth either. If anyone else has any input please feel free to add to this. Also, I highly recommend purchasing from Music Direct. Super fast shipping. Here are some links below for you.
https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?t=23677
https://www.musicdirect.com/phono-cartridges/ortofon-om5e-mm-phono-cartridge
Wow! Thanks so much for the advice. I'll go with it.
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19 minutes ago, zoso_jobes said:
What model Technics do you have? What's your price range? Ortofon makes good affordable cartridges.
I had to look. SL-QD33, automatic, quartz. I think i paid $200 for it, maybe, in the late 80s, without a cartridge. Here's one for sale, used for $300. This is it, exactly. Also, I have a NAD receiver that is bulletproof and Klipsh speakers, if that helps. I was about to donate them to charity. I guess I'd pay $100-$200 for a cartridge. Haven't really thought about it.
https://reverb.com/item/7661743-technics-sl-qd33-k-quartz-direct-drive-automatic-turntable
Thanks for the input.
A request — vinyl record identification tutorial (Records 101)
in Led Zeppelin Master Forum
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Thanks for this. All very interesting and helpful. My recent purchase says 75 Rockefeller Plaza. Any idea what that means in relation to what pressing? Thanks all for everything! Great forum!