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^^^ I second this individual's inquiry. It would be interesting to determine if there are any photos of Bonham's "guest" appearances. With some consistency he managed to invite himself onstage, more often than not with disastrous results. It would appear his courage to be so bold only presented itself when he was rather intoxicated, leading to his playing being more than subpar. This is all based on witness accounts of course - in fact I can't recall the band members themselves ever commenting on his questionable showings in this type of situation.
He also apparently helped himself onstage on the evening of June 24th, 1977 - I can't remember the band but accounts indicate he had drank very heavily that day and did not go over well with the audience. It would be fascinating to have a picture. I wish I could contribute something here other than conjecture, but this topic appears to be loosely documented at best within Zeppelin's history.
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09/19/70 is a great gig, but I can't count a performance that doesn't have Kashmir, Achilles Last Stand, Nobody's Fault But Mine, No Quarter, The Song Remains the Same, and Stairway to Heaven as their greatest live performance.
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Steve is right on this, any "greatest" photo must contain prominent and clear views of each individual member. The idea that a photo of just Page and Plant could be the best ever is ridiculous. While a good concept, this type of thread has been attempted before and always quickly dissolves into opinions and hyperbole.
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Actually I would argue that the greatest version of Achilles was played 37 years ago today, on May 22nd in Fort Worth, Texas. Bonham outplays himself, even surpassing his later performances in Inglewood. He also adds many variations towards the latter half that he would rarely play again. Just three days later on May 25 in Landover he returned to a more traditional performance of the song before ratcheting back up at The Forum.
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As time goes on more and more I believe the Forum in '77 to be the greatest live performances of the band. The bravado...
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Your number one is not a fact. Jason was an official member of Led Zeppelin, on Dec 10th, 2007 and the days preceding. If you notice, during the O2 show, there are big lighted letters that spell out the words "Led Zeppelin". It would appear that the gentlemen on the stage playing were billing themselves as "Led Zeppelin". One of the four gentlemen, the one playing the drums, was Jason Bonham. So, while one can reason that the O2 version of "Led Zeppelin" was not the original group, it is certainly not a fact that Jason Bonham has never been an official member of a group of musicians billing themselves as "Led Zeppelin".
Also, mocking individuals for having "emotional baggage" with regard to their affection or affinity for Zeppelin may not be the best way to get your point across.
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6/26/77
7/17/77
6/24/80
6/26/80
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Sometimes, when I over think it maybe, I am just dumbfounded that for a brief four year period Plant wanted to work extensively and intensively with Jimmy Page. Having written off the band for years before '94 and for years since '98, he somehow was okay, nay enthusiastic, to essentially be in a Zeppelin cover band. It is like a mid life crisis. As if he felt he wanted to experience the joy and thrill of those songs and feelings one more time and then suddenly bam, "I'm not going to Japan or South America. I quit. I'm not interested in how you feel about it Jimmy or what you want to do." It's the Honeydrippers road van tour part II.
Plant's desires and activities in the mid nineties completely defy his words from years before or years after.
In a word...bizarre...
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Like many have said I'm sure I would have dug seeing the bow solo live, but it's hard to listen to while sitting in your car in a traffic jam. It does create excitement to the ear for Achilles, and at times skipping it gives me a feeling of robbing the "experience" of enjoying a bootleg and show, but man from a purely audio standpoint it grates the nerves.
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It is a soundboard recording. And unfortunately I am unaware of any photos. Perhaps some big Santana fans have seen a picture, but I don't know much about the group or it's followers.
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Gloria was the wife of an Atlantic Record's executive that was part of the 1980 tour entourage. Bonham pointed out that he really liked Gloria's sunglasses and asked her if he could wear them on stage in Berlin. The glasses can be seen on Bonzo throughout the final gig. They would be an amazing artifact if they could be found.
Jonesy can also be seen wearing the glasses in a backstage photo taken with Bonham on either July 5th or 6th. Bonzo is sans beard in the photo.
The Atlantic executive is interviewed as part of Dave Lewis' book "Feather in the Wind".
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Perhaps an unsolvable mystery - whatever happened to the sunglasses Bonzo wore at the final gig? Did he give them back to Gloria? Now those would be a treasured piece of Zeppelin memorabilia.
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Zurich 1980. The greatest ALS - Bonzo does things here that he never did before or after. Listen to what he doesn't play, vs. what he does. A sign of maturing skills that would only have gotten even better over time.
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Thank you for the link but I believe this is Plant on the show in 1981. He was also on in '78, I remember seeing a picture in an old issue of proximity - he is sitting in front of the tele when he gets a pie to the face. I can't recall ever seeing any video.
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Has any video of Robert's participation on TisWas in 1978 survived?
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What a turn on it would be for the group to return to the Forum to play a little acoustic set. With WLL as an electric encore of course.
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I propose two questions, not huge mysteries mind you:
1) I know Plant and Bonham didn't, but did Jones, Page or Grant ever return to the States between August 1977 and September 1980? If so for what reason or business?
2) I can't recall ever seeing any 1980 photos of Page and Plant in the "locked heads" position during the "ah ah" section of Achilles. Did they not do it during the song after 1977?
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1977/04/28 is indeed the greatest show of the 1st leg. Fantastic performance and Bonham is a machine - super heavy sound, ALS is nuts and TUF is fantastic. To me the show has a major transition point - halfway through IMTOD Bonham suddenly turns it up 10 notches and becomes crazed, after which the rest of the band quickly follows. A pity that many "fans" choose to overlook the show due to sound quality a few points below Eddie or Badgeholders. If one obtains the Presence edition as cited above the sound is very pleasing - cranked loud the ambiance is excellent.
Seattle '77 is a good show. Not in the class of anything from LA mind you, but beats up on Landover outside of May 30th.
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I think everyone agrees this is highly subjective.
That being said, if I wanted to wager on the results of a potential poll, I would say:
Earlier days: 1972/06/25
Latter days: 1977/06/21
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The box set is currently being shipped out to those that ordered. Copies are arriving this week
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I think the '77 Kashmir's are far superior to '75. Instead of Bonham repeatedly hitting the gong and having a linear outro in '75 he tries to outdo himself at every show in '77. Plant's voice, especially towards the end, is much more fitting in '77.
Of course everyone can have their own opinion, mine is just that '77 is better for me.
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1972/10/02. Rare for me to listen to a pre '75 show. The WLL medley is very good, love Killing Floor. The show as a whole is rather unconvincing however, and Plant particularly seems bothered perhaps by his flawed voice - he speaks little to the crowd and shows none of the relaxed attitude that was so prevalent 12 months earlier.
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There's apparently a soundboard recording of this show and it shows that Page played on "Shake Your Moneymaker" likely during the encore. More info here.
Wow, thanks!
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I have always found this to be a mystery...
Do any real details exist about the songs or length of time Jimmy played with Santana on 1980/07/01? Did he play rhythm, lead or interplay? Are there any pictures? What about fan accounts?
I take it there was an after party as well, seeing as how Jimmy was late in his arrival to Mannheim the next day resulting in a small delay of the evening's Zeppelin performance.
I recognize Over Europe was under the radar however surely there is more to know.
Thanks
Zeppelin Mysteries Hosted by Steve A. Jones
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This may be a mundane question for many but is there a prevailing theory about why we do not have soundboards for Vienna and Munich '80 when we have all the other shows from the tour? Mind you I love the audience recordings of these two gigs but the onstage chatter that soundboards reveal (especially on this last tour) is usually most interesting.