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  1. Having had the Black Beauty stolen while on tour may have discouraged him from risking more than absolutely necessary.

    Very, very true.

    About being "quite wealthy". He bankrolled the first album and didn't take a paycheck on the first tour. Despite being 45 years ago and times were better then, that still takes some savings to do so, Alas, all conjecture.

  2. Meaning he would have been screwed if his Red LP had an electronics problem and his number one broke a string and he didn't have replacement strings... Just brings the question if he really got the number two in 1973/74 or in 1970. I've seen a ton of pictures from before 1973 with Jimmy playing a les paul with a different burst from his number one.

    #2 was acquired in late 1973. I can't think of any other Les Paul Burst-colored guitar that he played at a Led Zep concert. #3 was red, he played a Smoked Burst Les Paul with Bad Company in 1974.

    There was no backup for the #1 at all. The Dano was always tuned to DADGAD and it wasn't used for anything other than White Summer/Black Mountain Side, which was dropped in 1970. I think it's realistic to say that Jimmy didn't carry the Dano on tour at all until 1975 (for IMTOD). The EDS-1275 was never used for anything other than STH, TRS and TSRTS.

    Nitpicky, but the Doubleneck was also used on CD, Tangerine & SA.

  3. Steve, do you know if Jimmy had his red les paul during the Japan tour?

    What guitars exactly did he have on tour, to replace his number one if needed, before 1975?

    Allow me to reply.

    Jimmy was up a creek, more than you think with a lack of guitars. You'd think he'd have more backup guitars with him tour, but by all accounts and photographs available, this doesn't seem to be the case.

    The Cherry Red Gibson Les Paul #3 was around as early as August 1970, but didn't really get used much until the 1973 US Tour. He had the Dano available (although it would have to have been re-tuned), the Dragon Tele wasn't on the road much after the Les Paul #1 came into use, the Black Beauty was on the road a very short time until, of course, April 1970 and of course there was the Doubleneck. The Gibson Les Paul #2 was acquired in late 1973.

    So, what was available in 1971-1972 as backups in Japan? Realistically, the Dano and the Doubleneck.

  4. Numerous attendees have posted their eyewitness accounts to the official timeline entry for this concert. A concert description sums it up:

    ...in the middle of Thank You, the crowd charges the stage, prompting Robert (who sounds very scared) to stop the song and scream at the audience to move back: "You've gotta move back. Move back. Move back or we can't go on! Move right back! It's not fair to everybody else. Besides I'm scared of heights!" They do, and Thank You finishes with a great solo, and a fast Rock And Roll (unreleased and still called It's Been A Long Time) is played with a great solo, great high vocals (with Robert saying: "I gotta tell you, I can't hear a thing I'm saying. All the equipment's fallen out!"), but the last verse is skipped to get the group the hell off the stage.

    Any number of reasons may explain why they performed two night at Nassau Coliseum as opposed to Madison Square Garden. The Knicks and Rangers seasons had ended, but there may have been other events booked there for June 14-15 1972. Alternatively, MSG may have kept the entire week open pending Colonel Tom Parker's confirmation dates for Elvis Presley's multiple performances there at MSG the same week.

    IIRC, there's a quote in Richard Cole's book about why they performed at Nassau Coliseum instead of MSG, but I don't have it currently in front of me. I know I've read about it somewhere.

  5. SAJ...

    I am trying to shed light on a friend's stories about a road crew member named "Jimmy"...could be from Page/Plant or with the Plant road crew of the 80's.

    From: http://www.tpimagazine.com/production-profiles/8623/led_zeppelin_the_ahmet_ertegun_tribute.html

    Syncrolite’s vice president of marketing also watched the show from the mix riser, trying his best to refrain from telling old stories of his days on the road with Zeppelin in the ’70s as part of the Showco crew, and how sharing the same name as the lead guitarist led to much confusion with groupies.

    The ‘other’ Jimmy Page said: “We describe our new SX10K-D as the ‘Hammer Of The Gods’, so it’s perfect for Zeppelin — it’s an incredibly bright f**ker!”

  6. SteveAJones, on 27 May 2013 - 19:08, said:

    This from Joe Walsh:

    Well, when Led Zeppelin’s first album came out and was just starting to get airplay, Jimmy was really known predominately for the Yardbirds. But when Led Zeppelin came over to tour, the James Gang opened for them on five or six shows. It was a kind of a hard sell because the only thing anybody knew was the Yardbirds, and that Jimmy now had a new band. I got to know him better during those shows, and he told me he was kind of tired of playing Telecasters and stuff, and was looking for a Les Paul. In those days, Les Pauls weren’t god awful expensive, they were just kind of hard to find. You had to go into the basements of music stores and pawn shops. I happened to have two, and one I liked better than the other, so I kept my best one and gave him the other, which had a slightly smaller neck.

    Q: What did you get for it?

    I don’t know, 1,500 bucks or something, and I had to fly to New York with it to give it to him, so that was kind of expensive. Anyway, he liked it a lot, and it became, I guess, the one he played on a lot of Led Zeppelin’s music. His number one. Turns out it was a good idea to get him one (laughs)!

    The same basic quote (however, reworded to say the same thing), as posted on lespaulforum.com

    Quote

    “The James Gang opened for Led Zeppelin a couple times right at the end of the Yardbirds when Led Zeppelin was together,” Walsh recounts. “Before their first album really hit, they came over and played shows. It was Jimmy Page’s new band. So I started a friendship with him at that time.

    “A little bit after that, when the first album really took off, Jimmy was still playing the Telecasters that he played in the Yardbirds. He was looking for a Les Paul and asked if I knew of any, ’cause he couldn’t find one that he liked. And I had two. So I kept the one I liked the most, and I flew to New York with the other one. I laid it on him and said, ‘Try this out.’ He really liked it. So I gave him a really good deal, about 1,200 bucks. I had to hand-carry it; I flew there and everything.

    “So whatever my expenses were, that’s what I charged him. That guitar ended up being a significant part of Led Zeppelin’s body of work. But again, I just thought he should have a Les Paul, for godsakes!”

    To whom someone replied that Page said that it was brought to him at the Fillmore shows.

    Between recollections from Page and Walsh from 44 years ago, I don't suspect that we will get the 100% truth on this one.

  7. This from Joe Walsh:

    Well, when Led Zeppelin’s first album came out and was just starting to get airplay, Jimmy was really known predominately for the Yardbirds. But when Led Zeppelin came over to tour, the James Gang opened for them on five or six shows. It was a kind of a hard sell because the only thing anybody knew was the Yardbirds, and that Jimmy now had a new band. I got to know him better during those shows, and he told me he was kind of tired of playing Telecasters and stuff, and was looking for a Les Paul. In those days, Les Pauls weren’t god awful expensive, they were just kind of hard to find. You had to go into the basements of music stores and pawn shops. I happened to have two, and one I liked better than the other, so I kept my best one and gave him the other, which had a slightly smaller neck.

    Q: What did you get for it?

    I don’t know, 1,500 bucks or something, and I had to fly to New York with it to give it to him, so that was kind of expensive. Anyway, he liked it a lot, and it became, I guess, the one he played on a lot of Led Zeppelin’s music. His number one. Turns out it was a good idea to get him one (laughs)!

    So, what day did Jimmy fly into New York? That April 18 date at NYC Hall Park didn't happen. I assume NYC was the point of entry into the US.

  8. When did Jimmy Page acquire the 195x Gibson Les Paul Standard, dubbed 'Number One'?

    What is known now is that it was purchased by Page from Joe Walsh for £500 in roughly late April or early May in 1969.

    lz19690502_03.jpg

    Here is Page with Number One on May 2 or 3, 1969 at the Rose Palace in Pasadena, CA. I've heard that there is a picture of him with Number One in San Francisco a few days earlier, but I don't have access to that right now.

    So, you think, Joe Walsh came up to Page in San Francisco and said, "Hey, I've got a guitar I want to sell. Would you like to buy it?" Just wait...

    According to http://home.comcast.net/~gv0000/James_Gang_Gig_List_2.pdf, Walsh was with his regional band James Gang, performing in Ohio and Michigan on the dates that Page was in California performing with Led Zeppelin.

    The closest to Ohio and Michigan that Page got was either January 1969 at the Grande Ballroom in Detroit or mid-May 1969 back at the Grande and in Ohio on separate dates. I don't suspect that at that point in either of their careers, Page or Walsh would have flown to the other or met somewhere mutual to arrange the sale.

    James Gang's first studio album Yer' Album was on March 29, 1969. Yer' Album was produced by Bill Szymczyk (who later worked with The Eagles, etc.). At the time, Szymczyk was based out of ABC Records out of Los Angeles.

    Although the rest of this post is conjecture, it is very plausible.

    Walsh had 5 days in-between gigs (April 27 - May 1). Perhaps he flew to LA to do promotional work for the new album or had business meetings with Szymczyk. I don't know of any business dealings that Szymczyk had with Page or with Peter Grant, so it's hard to say when on what date Number One got sold.

    Does anyone else have any information to contribute towards this?

  9. 5 May 1968 » Jimmy Page - Mentor, Ohio @ Hullabaloo Scene
    5 May 1973 » Led Zeppelin - Tampa, Florida @ Tampa Stadium
    5 May 1981 » Robert Plant - Coventry, West Midlands, England @ Warwicks Arts Centre
    5 May 1985 » Jimmy Page - Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania @ Pittsburgh Civic Arena
    5 May 1986 » Jimmy Page - Bloomington, Minnesota @ Metropolitan Sports Center
    5 May 1988 » Robert Plant - Québec City, Québec, Canada @ Colisée de Québec
    5 May 1995 » Page & Plant - Kansas City, Missouri @ Kemper Arena
    5 May 1998 » Page & Plant - London, England @ BBC White City
    5 May 2008 » Robert Plant - Birmingham, West Midlands, England @ Birmingham Academy
  10. 21 December 1971 » Led Zeppelin - Salisbury, Wiltshire, England @ Salisbury City Hall

    21 December 1983 » Robert Plant - Leicester, East Midlands, England @ De Montfort Hall

    21 December 1993 » Jimmy Page - Osaka, Japan @ Osaka Castle Hall

    21 December 2000 » Robert Plant - Wolverhampton, West Midlands, England @ Wulfrun Hall

  11. 19 December 1968 » Led Zeppelin - Exeter, Devon, England @ Exeter Civic Hall

    19 December 1974 » John Paul Jones - London, England @ Rainbow Theatre

    19 December 1974 » Jimmy Page - London, England @ Rainbow Theatre

    19 December 1986 » Robert Plant - Stourport-on-Severn, Worcestershire, England @ Stourport Civic Centre

    19 December 1986 » Jimmy Page - Stourport-on-Severn, Worcestershire, England @ Stourport Civic Centre

    19 December 1993 » Robert Plant - Brussels, Belgium @ La Luna

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