dazedjeffy
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Oh. BEFORE 1975?
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Meaning he would have been screwed if his Red LP had an electronics problem and his number one broke a string and he didn't have replacement strings... Just brings the question if he really got the number two in 1973/74 or in 1970. I've seen a ton of pictures from before 1973 with Jimmy playing a les paul with a different burst from his number one.
#2 was acquired in late 1973. I can't think of any other Les Paul Burst-colored guitar that he played at a Led Zep concert. #3 was red, he played a Smoked Burst Les Paul with Bad Company in 1974.
There was no backup for the #1 at all. The Dano was always tuned to DADGAD and it wasn't used for anything other than White Summer/Black Mountain Side, which was dropped in 1970. I think it's realistic to say that Jimmy didn't carry the Dano on tour at all until 1975 (for IMTOD). The EDS-1275 was never used for anything other than STH, TRS and TSRTS.
Nitpicky, but the Doubleneck was also used on CD, Tangerine & SA.
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Steve, do you know if Jimmy had his red les paul during the Japan tour?
What guitars exactly did he have on tour, to replace his number one if needed, before 1975?
Allow me to reply.
Jimmy was up a creek, more than you think with a lack of guitars. You'd think he'd have more backup guitars with him tour, but by all accounts and photographs available, this doesn't seem to be the case.
The Cherry Red Gibson Les Paul #3 was around as early as August 1970, but didn't really get used much until the 1973 US Tour. He had the Dano available (although it would have to have been re-tuned), the Dragon Tele wasn't on the road much after the Les Paul #1 came into use, the Black Beauty was on the road a very short time until, of course, April 1970 and of course there was the Doubleneck. The Gibson Les Paul #2 was acquired in late 1973.
So, what was available in 1971-1972 as backups in Japan? Realistically, the Dano and the Doubleneck.
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Numerous attendees have posted their eyewitness accounts to the official timeline entry for this concert. A concert description sums it up:
...in the middle of Thank You, the crowd charges the stage, prompting Robert (who sounds very scared) to stop the song and scream at the audience to move back: "You've gotta move back. Move back. Move back or we can't go on! Move right back! It's not fair to everybody else. Besides I'm scared of heights!" They do, and Thank You finishes with a great solo, and a fast Rock And Roll (unreleased and still called It's Been A Long Time) is played with a great solo, great high vocals (with Robert saying: "I gotta tell you, I can't hear a thing I'm saying. All the equipment's fallen out!"), but the last verse is skipped to get the group the hell off the stage.
Any number of reasons may explain why they performed two night at Nassau Coliseum as opposed to Madison Square Garden. The Knicks and Rangers seasons had ended, but there may have been other events booked there for June 14-15 1972. Alternatively, MSG may have kept the entire week open pending Colonel Tom Parker's confirmation dates for Elvis Presley's multiple performances there at MSG the same week.
IIRC, there's a quote in Richard Cole's book about why they performed at Nassau Coliseum instead of MSG, but I don't have it currently in front of me. I know I've read about it somewhere.
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From: http://www.tpimagazine.com/production-profiles/8623/led_zeppelin_the_ahmet_ertegun_tribute.htmlSAJ...
I am trying to shed light on a friend's stories about a road crew member named "Jimmy"...could be from Page/Plant or with the Plant road crew of the 80's.
Syncrolite’s vice president of marketing also watched the show from the mix riser, trying his best to refrain from telling old stories of his days on the road with Zeppelin in the ’70s as part of the Showco crew, and how sharing the same name as the lead guitarist led to much confusion with groupies.
The ‘other’ Jimmy Page said: “We describe our new SX10K-D as the ‘Hammer Of The Gods’, so it’s perfect for Zeppelin — it’s an incredibly bright f**ker!”
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The same basic quote (however, reworded to say the same thing), as posted on lespaulforum.comSteveAJones, on 27 May 2013 - 19:08, said:
This from Joe Walsh:
Well, when Led Zeppelin’s first album came out and was just starting to get airplay, Jimmy was really known predominately for the Yardbirds. But when Led Zeppelin came over to tour, the James Gang opened for them on five or six shows. It was a kind of a hard sell because the only thing anybody knew was the Yardbirds, and that Jimmy now had a new band. I got to know him better during those shows, and he told me he was kind of tired of playing Telecasters and stuff, and was looking for a Les Paul. In those days, Les Pauls weren’t god awful expensive, they were just kind of hard to find. You had to go into the basements of music stores and pawn shops. I happened to have two, and one I liked better than the other, so I kept my best one and gave him the other, which had a slightly smaller neck.
Q: What did you get for it?
I don’t know, 1,500 bucks or something, and I had to fly to New York with it to give it to him, so that was kind of expensive. Anyway, he liked it a lot, and it became, I guess, the one he played on a lot of Led Zeppelin’s music. His number one. Turns out it was a good idea to get him one (laughs)!
To whom someone replied that Page said that it was brought to him at the Fillmore shows.Quote
“The James Gang opened for Led Zeppelin a couple times right at the end of the Yardbirds when Led Zeppelin was together,” Walsh recounts. “Before their first album really hit, they came over and played shows. It was Jimmy Page’s new band. So I started a friendship with him at that time.
“A little bit after that, when the first album really took off, Jimmy was still playing the Telecasters that he played in the Yardbirds. He was looking for a Les Paul and asked if I knew of any, ’cause he couldn’t find one that he liked. And I had two. So I kept the one I liked the most, and I flew to New York with the other one. I laid it on him and said, ‘Try this out.’ He really liked it. So I gave him a really good deal, about 1,200 bucks. I had to hand-carry it; I flew there and everything.
“So whatever my expenses were, that’s what I charged him. That guitar ended up being a significant part of Led Zeppelin’s body of work. But again, I just thought he should have a Les Paul, for godsakes!”
Between recollections from Page and Walsh from 44 years ago, I don't suspect that we will get the 100% truth on this one.
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This from Joe Walsh:
Well, when Led Zeppelin’s first album came out and was just starting to get airplay, Jimmy was really known predominately for the Yardbirds. But when Led Zeppelin came over to tour, the James Gang opened for them on five or six shows. It was a kind of a hard sell because the only thing anybody knew was the Yardbirds, and that Jimmy now had a new band. I got to know him better during those shows, and he told me he was kind of tired of playing Telecasters and stuff, and was looking for a Les Paul. In those days, Les Pauls weren’t god awful expensive, they were just kind of hard to find. You had to go into the basements of music stores and pawn shops. I happened to have two, and one I liked better than the other, so I kept my best one and gave him the other, which had a slightly smaller neck.
Q: What did you get for it?
I don’t know, 1,500 bucks or something, and I had to fly to New York with it to give it to him, so that was kind of expensive. Anyway, he liked it a lot, and it became, I guess, the one he played on a lot of Led Zeppelin’s music. His number one. Turns out it was a good idea to get him one (laughs)!
So, what day did Jimmy fly into New York? That April 18 date at NYC Hall Park didn't happen. I assume NYC was the point of entry into the US.
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When did Jimmy Page acquire the 195x Gibson Les Paul Standard, dubbed 'Number One'?
What is known now is that it was purchased by Page from Joe Walsh for £500 in roughly late April or early May in 1969.
Here is Page with Number One on May 2 or 3, 1969 at the Rose Palace in Pasadena, CA. I've heard that there is a picture of him with Number One in San Francisco a few days earlier, but I don't have access to that right now.
So, you think, Joe Walsh came up to Page in San Francisco and said, "Hey, I've got a guitar I want to sell. Would you like to buy it?" Just wait...
According to http://home.comcast.net/~gv0000/James_Gang_Gig_List_2.pdf, Walsh was with his regional band James Gang, performing in Ohio and Michigan on the dates that Page was in California performing with Led Zeppelin.
The closest to Ohio and Michigan that Page got was either January 1969 at the Grande Ballroom in Detroit or mid-May 1969 back at the Grande and in Ohio on separate dates. I don't suspect that at that point in either of their careers, Page or Walsh would have flown to the other or met somewhere mutual to arrange the sale.
James Gang's first studio album Yer' Album was on March 29, 1969. Yer' Album was produced by Bill Szymczyk (who later worked with The Eagles, etc.). At the time, Szymczyk was based out of ABC Records out of Los Angeles.
Although the rest of this post is conjecture, it is very plausible.
Walsh had 5 days in-between gigs (April 27 - May 1). Perhaps he flew to LA to do promotional work for the new album or had business meetings with Szymczyk. I don't know of any business dealings that Szymczyk had with Page or with Peter Grant, so it's hard to say when on what date Number One got sold.
Does anyone else have any information to contribute towards this?
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5 May 1968 » Jimmy Page - Mentor, Ohio @ Hullabaloo Scene5 May 1973 » Led Zeppelin - Tampa, Florida @ Tampa Stadium5 May 1981 » Robert Plant - Coventry, West Midlands, England @ Warwicks Arts Centre5 May 1985 » Jimmy Page - Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania @ Pittsburgh Civic Arena5 May 1986 » Jimmy Page - Bloomington, Minnesota @ Metropolitan Sports Center5 May 1988 » Robert Plant - Québec City, Québec, Canada @ Colisée de Québec5 May 1995 » Page & Plant - Kansas City, Missouri @ Kemper Arena5 May 1998 » Page & Plant - London, England @ BBC White City5 May 2008 » Robert Plant - Birmingham, West Midlands, England @ Birmingham Academy
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Can I ask why the most interesting (magic and backmasking) mysteries are going to be ignored?
Backmasking link - http://www.led-zeppelin.org/audio-archive/43
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The only other possibility I was thinking that this JPJ might be is this guy:
Decent album. It's a tad folksy...
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Holy Miami Vice....
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5 January 1969 » Led Zeppelin - West Hollywood, California @ Whisky A Go Go
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4 January 1969 » Led Zeppelin - West Hollywood, California @ Whisky A Go Go
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3 January 1969 » Led Zeppelin - West Hollywood, California @ Whisky A Go Go
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2 January 1967 » Jimmy Page - Commack, New York @ Long Island Arena
2 January 1969 » Led Zeppelin - West Hollywood, California @ Whisky A Go Go
2 January 1973 » Led Zeppelin - Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England @ Sheffield City Hall, Oval Hall
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1 January 1967 » Jimmy Page - Johnstown, Pennsylvania @ Cambria County War Memorial Arena
1 January 2006 » Robert Plant - London, England @ Maida Vale Studios
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31 December 1964 » John Bonham - Walsall, West Midlands, England @ Three Men In A Boat
31 December 1988 » Robert Plant - Reseda, California @ Reseda Country Club
31 December 2002 » Robert Plant - London, England @ BBC Studios
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30 December 1968 » Led Zeppelin - Spokane, Washington @ Gonzaga University, John F. Kennedy Memorial Pavilion
30 December 1981 » Robert Plant - Dudley, West Midlands, England @ JB's Place
30 December 1987 » Robert Plant - Stourbridge, West Midlands, England @ Stourbridge Town Hall
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28 December 1966 » Jimmy Page - Peoria, Illinois @ Expo Gardens Youth Building
28 December 1968 » Led Zeppelin - Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada @ Pacific Coliseum
28 December 1993 » Robert Plant - Worcestershire, West Midlands, England
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26 December 1966 » Jimmy Page - Rochester, New York @ Rochester Community War Memorial
26 December 1967 » Robert Plant - Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England @ The Frank Freeman Dancing Club
26 December 1968 » Led Zeppelin - Denver, Colorado @ Denver Auditorium Arena
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21 December 1971 » Led Zeppelin - Salisbury, Wiltshire, England @ Salisbury City Hall
21 December 1983 » Robert Plant - Leicester, East Midlands, England @ De Montfort Hall
21 December 1993 » Jimmy Page - Osaka, Japan @ Osaka Castle Hall
21 December 2000 » Robert Plant - Wolverhampton, West Midlands, England @ Wulfrun Hall
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19 December 1968 » Led Zeppelin - Exeter, Devon, England @ Exeter Civic Hall
19 December 1974 » John Paul Jones - London, England @ Rainbow Theatre
19 December 1974 » Jimmy Page - London, England @ Rainbow Theatre
19 December 1986 » Robert Plant - Stourport-on-Severn, Worcestershire, England @ Stourport Civic Centre
19 December 1986 » Jimmy Page - Stourport-on-Severn, Worcestershire, England @ Stourport Civic Centre
19 December 1993 » Robert Plant - Brussels, Belgium @ La Luna
Zeppelin Mysteries Hosted by Steve A. Jones
in Led Zeppelin Master Forum
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Very, very true.
About being "quite wealthy". He bankrolled the first album and didn't take a paycheck on the first tour. Despite being 45 years ago and times were better then, that still takes some savings to do so, Alas, all conjecture.