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Okay, this is a CALL-OUT, a plea to Silver Rider, Hotplant, MadScreamingGallery, or ANYONE that was at the June 3, 1973 LA Forum concert.
It may have got lost in the shuffle in all that grey, but there was a question buried in my review post. As my attention was focused elsewhere at the time, what happened during Thank You that caused that second huge roar?
Anybody who was there have any idea? Did Silver Rider streak across the stage?
No, I was probably either hanging out in the parking lot of the Forum and/or at the Hyatt on June 3rd.
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This is the OTHER Bands/Music subforum. We don't have to talk about Led Zeppelin on this site all of the time.
I totally agree. This is the perfect place for posts related to Eric Clapton. He was in the Yardbirds once, wasn't he? I saw Eric Clapton in 1969 when he was in Cream and they opened for Jimi Hendrix in Anaheim. A few years later I went to a concert in Anaheim that featured Judy Collins, B.B. King and John Mayall.
It appears that Hendrix had appeared at an earlier date in Anaheim before I saw him.
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It's an old saying.
In the mid sixties, Clapton left the Yardbirds to play blues with John Mayall & the Bluesbreakers. In his one-year stay with Mayall, Clapton gained the nickname "Slowhand", and graffiti in London declared "Clapton is God." -
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OK I can accept that Silver Rider but how do you know without looking elsewhere for confirmation and reference that they tell you the TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH?
I do look elsewhere for corroborating facts. They're not under oath and they don't need to swear to the whole truth; that would be ludicrous. But some do scholarly research and have earned advanced degrees in history, so their knowledge of facts and dates related to events can be extensive. Sorry, but my keyboard is stuck at the moment and I can't comply with your requests at this time, and I don't wish to start any new threads.
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Not being sarcastic, just pointing out that I have learned more about United States history from knowledgeable teachers than other sources. I understand that people have their opinions.
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Back on the topic of education, for anyone interested in learning U.S. history, there are courses available taught by those who are knowledgeable in the subject, although everyone is welcome to their opinions.
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And did the Normans purchase the land later from the 'Britons" and so on and so forth.
In 1066 the Normans "purchased" (invaded) England.
source: wiki
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The Daily Show is amazing!!
I thought the segment on the Republican Presidential Debate was hilarious
http://www.thedailys...011-j-j--abrams
Especially from 12:00 on
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Hi Silver Rider,
Firstly, I was replying to your comment here,
"Perhaps the concept that people should be treated as equals could work here." (in America)
My point was that America has no History of treating people as equals anywhere, I wasn't bringing Slavery up but you could use that and the way America treated the Natives, the Irish, the Italians, the Mexicans and any other race they encountered as a starting point of how America will never be able to fulfil your concept of matching Finland in regard to bettering their Education System and Results, no more so than England would better them.
My reasons.
1. They have a very unique culture, you have a multicultural diversity.
2. They use a Common Language, you use many.
3. They live in a relatively harmonious country, you live in a crime riddled society. (if that were true)
4. They spend 6.4% of GDP on Education, you spend 5.7% (not much difference but it might be a reason)
You know how topics have a way of taking there own direction, I wasn't trying to hijack this thread just trying to answer your "Perhaps" question.
Regards, Danny
PS, I also think the Declaration of Independence Document is flawed, but that's another topic isn't it?
http://www.nationmas...spending-of-gdp
America has a concept of law called "equal protection", that is part of the law that says you cannot discriminate on the basis of race. Where did you study U.S. history? It may be your opinion that America lacks a history of equality, but even the concept of "equal opportunity" forms an important basis for the civil rights which many Americans have fought for. You did mention slavery and native American lands as well.
I have lived in America for many years and it is my opinion that without our law that offers equal protection, many who have come here seeking opportunity would never have had the benefits which many of them have enjoyed. Why did they come to the U.S. instead of going elsewhere? Opportunity is the reason why. And the law here protects "equal opportunity".
And the same concepts of equal protection of the law and equal opportunity apply to education in America. Americans may have to fight to enforce those rights, but they are protected by law.
Further, the objections you raise such as different languages and multicultural elements have been heard in America before. Fortunately many of us have learned to accept the variety that our country has been blessed with. And what if people have a different language? Are you trying to convince me that people must sacrifice quality in education because a language is different?
If you will take another look, it is not because the Finns have only one language and culture that allowed them to advance in education. It was an emphasis on high standards, quality, high literacy and support of scholarly pursuits, making education widely available and overcoming learning disabilities while including everyone in the mainstream, not separating them from the high achievers.
As for the Declaration of Independence, if promotes the concept of equality and life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, which for many, includes a quality education. Not a flaw, in my opinion.
"Founded On" is very different to "Upholding"
Could you tell me if nearly every signatory of the Declaration of Independence and whatever other document you hold dear Owned Slaves and Owned Stolen Lands from the Indians?
Regards, Danny
Edit for typo.
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"Founded On" is very different to "Upholding"
Could you tell me if nearly every signatory of the Declaration of Independence and whatever other document you hold dear Owned Slaves and Owned Stolen Lands from the Indians?
Regards, Danny
Edit for typo.
What has that got to do with the topic? If the topic were slavery, that would be different. I am positive that I could develop an in-depth discussion on the history of slavery and the native American tribal populations. Slavery was a part of life in those days, and if you opposed it, people would retaliate against you for not adhering to societal dictates. It was a long struggle before slavery ended in the 1800's. And to answer your question, John Morton, one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, owned slaves. I don't know why he acquired slaves or how he treated them, only that he owned them. It is possible that he provided sanctuary for them, preventing them from being owned by some of the more cruel slave-owners of the time. Pennsylvania was just across the Mason-Dixon line, and was a part of the underground used by slaves to escape misery. Ridley, Pennsylvania, where John Morton lived, was one of the first jurisdictions to end slavery.
But the topic here started with the question of why Finland did so well in the recent scores related to education. And the answer turns out to be that Finland has had a long history of high literacy and scholarship.
Cryingbluerain objected that egalitarian Finnish ideas might not work here in the United States. I simply pointed out that the United States was founded on egalitarian Finnish concepts, as evidenced by John Morton's signature on the Declaration of Independence.
adherents.com/people/pm/John_Morton
Morton was born of Finnish-Swedish descent in 1725, shortly after the death of his father, on a farm in Ridley Township, Chester (present Delaware) County... In 1774 he won appointment as an associate justice of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court... despite his rise in State circles, Morton had always maintained strong ties with his own county. He resided there all his life, remained active in civic and church affairs, and stayed close to the people...Within a year of signing the Declaration, in the spring of 1777, Morton fell ill and died on his farm at the age of 51. A few months earlier, he had bequeathed his land and property, including a few slaves, to his wife and five daughters and three surviving sons. But he could not will them security; shortly after his demise they had to flee from their home in the face of an imminent British attack. Morton's grave is located in the Old St. Paul's Cemetery n Chester, Pa.
Morton was born in Ridley Township, in Chester County, Pennsylvania, now part of Delaware County. His father, John Morton (Senior), was Finnish, who originated from Finland with his great-grandfather, Martti Marttinen (the family's original name, anglicized as Morton), himself a native of Rautalampi, Finland, who had arrived in the Swedish colony of New Sweden in 1654. His mother, Mary Archer, was also of Finnish descent. His father died before he was born, and when John was about seven years old, his mother married John Sketchley, a farmer of English ancestry, who educated Morton. About 1748, Morton married Ann Justis, who was herself a great-granddaughter of Finnish colonists to New Sweden. The couple would have nine children. Morton was an active member of the Anglican Church in Chester County.springhillfarm.com/broomhall/afric6
Delaware County Slaves in 1780From History of Delaware County, by Henry Hale Ashmead, 1884, pp. 203-205
[Thanks to Karen Mullian for transcribing this data!]
[On] March 1, 1780, the Assembly enacted a law providing for the gradual abolition of the entire system of servile labor in the commonwealth. Its provisions required a registration of all slaves to be made prior to the 1st day of November following in the office of the clerk of the court of Quarter Sessions in the several counties, and declared that all persons born after that date in Pennsylvania should be free, excepting the children of registered slaves, who should be servants to their parents masters until they had attained twenty-eight years, after which they also became free. Under this law, a registry of the slaves of Chester County, giving the name, age, sex, and time of service of each person held as a slave, as also the name of the owners and the township where they resided, was carefully made. The record shows the following slaves, the number owned by each master, as well as the residences of the latter in the territory now comprising Delaware County.
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John Morton, of Ridley, farmer, records a negro man, George, 52; a negro woman, Dinah, 47; a negro girl, Hannah, 7; and a female negro child, 1 year old, all slaves for life.
John Morton showed his fervor for independence in a letter written by him to Thomas Powell, a merchant in London, dated June 8, 1775. In this letter he expressed not only his resolves for independence but his concerns for the coming war. These sentiments reflected the feelings of many people in the colonies. “We are really preparing for the worst that can happen viz, a civil war”. He goes on to say “I hope Time will manifest to the World that a steady Perseverance in the Cause of Freedom will triumph over all the deep lay’d Schemes of Tyranny, & that Britain & America will again be united on the solid Foundation of Commerce & the Constitution.” In what appears to be righteous anger John Morton writes, “You have declared the New England People Rebels, & the other Provinces Aiders & Abettors, this is putting the Halter about our Necks, & we may as well die by the Sword as be hang’d like Rebels, this has made the People desperate.” These same sentiments are reflected in the Declaration of Independence.Some individuals have suggested that the concluding sentence “I sincerely wish a Reconciliation, the Contest is horrid, Parents against Children, & Children against Parents, the longer the wound is left in the present state the worse it will be to heal at last” indicates a lack of support for the road leading to independence. However, many of the signers of the Declaration of Independence harbored the same concerns and fears, as in fact civil war did break out in many of the colonies during the Revolutionary War.
John Morton, as Speaker of the Pennsylvania Assembly, on April 6, 1776, in further testimony to independence signed a resolution appointing Ludowick Sprogle as “muster master of the forces of this province for the protection there of against all hostile enterprises and for the defense of American Liberty.” This suggests a man who is leading cautiously, but inexorability towards afixing his signature on the Declaration of Independence.
In September 1777 after the Battle of Brandywine which the British won, Anne Morton, John Morton’s wife fled across the Delaware River with what valuables she could take to Billingsport, New Jersey. It was during this time that many of the papers that belonged to John Morton, as well as household possessions were destroyed. In November 18, 1782 Anne Morton filed an accounting of the losses she suffered in compliance with an act of the General Assembly. This is unfortunate because this documentary evidence could have broadened our understanding of John Morton’s private and public life.
John Morton with his wife, Ann, had nine children: Aaron, the eldest child, Sketchley, a major in the Pennsylvania line of the Continental Line, Rebecca, John, who became a surgeon and died while a prisoner of war on the British ship, Falmouth in New York Harbor, Sarah, Lydia, Elizabeth, Mary, and Ann, whose husband, Captain John Davis fought in the Revolutionary War as an officer in the Pennsylvania line.
On July 5, 2004 in recognition of John Morton’s role in signing the Declaration of Independence a plaque was placed at his gravesite by the Descendents of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence. He was the first of the fifty-six signers to receive this honor. Many of the descendents of John Morton including the Ward and Stromberg families were in attendance as well as Grace Staller, the Plaque Committee chairperson. John Morton’s vote for independence from England helped to assure America’s future as a free and independent country.
The Underground Railroad wasn't a real railroad and it wasn't necessarily underground. It really was a system that helped slaves escape to freedom in areas such as the northern states and Canada in the 1800's. This system was called the Underground Railroad because of the secret way slaves escaped. It was in 14 northern states but was mainly in Indiana, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and the New England states. The slaves would hide during the day and moved almost always at night. To make sure no one found out about it, the people who aided the slaves and the fugitives would use many railroad words as code words. Although some slaves settled in the North, others didn't because they could be captured and would be returned to being a slave. Instead these slaves would go to Canada. The line between freedom and slavery was called the Mason Dixon Line. It is located on the border of Pennsylvania and Maryland. -
Are you for real or what? how much History and Evidence of treating people as UNEQUAL do you need?
The United States was founded on principles of equality.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, .............source: United States Declaration of Independence
Take at look at who's at the top. Finland??? I mean, no disrespect, but what's so special about Finland?
In any case, the reason that Finland did well educationally in recent scores is in part due to its history of high literacy.
1747-1751The Finnish scholar Pehr (Pietari) Kalm toured North America exploring areas of what are now the United States and Canada. He was one of the first Europeans on the continent to visit Niagara Falls. Kalm's findings were published in the work En resa til Norra America (Journey to North America) which was subsequently translated into several languages. The well known Swedish naturalist Linnaeus, Kalm's mentor, named a plant genus kalmia in honor of his distinguished student.
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Unfortunately that's no longer the case. With corporations moving operations out of the U.S. at breathtaking speed, the middle class in America is dying. You can't raise a family on what you make flipping burgers at McDonald's or on what you bring in from greeting customers down at the local Wal-Mart.
Lowering educational standards does not help anyone, despite the latest trends in corporate activity.
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What makes you think that what works in Finland will work here? Finland is a vast, homogenous, single-language middle class country. America is a vast, super heterogenous, multi-language society with huge wealth and class differences.
Perhaps the concept that people should be treated as equals could work here. America once had a strong middle class. We're not that different. Taking a brief glance at those who were here before us, it seems Finland provided at least some previous foundation here.
The Finns in AmericaTaru Spiegel,
Reference Librarian
This presentation provides information about immigration from Finland to the United States, and about the activities of Finnish-American immigrants in the United States from the 17th to the 20th centuries. Information is contained in a chronology and selected bibliography.
1637-1664 Finns, as subjects of the Swedish Crown, were included in Sweden's seventeenth century effort to gain a New World foothold in the Delaware Valley. It is estimated that about half of the approximately one thousand colonists in "New Sweden" were either Finns who had first settled in Värmland, Sweden, or who came directly from Finland. The colonizing effort was initiated by the Dutch-Swedish New Sweden Company, and led by the German-born Peter Minuit. The Company Board included a Finnish admiral, Klaus Fleming.
Two ships, Kalmar Nyckel and Fågel Grip, set sail for the New World in 1637. They arrived in 1638, and the colonists purchased land from the native Americans to build Fort Christina, named after the Swedish queen. In 1655 Dutch colonists took over the small settlement. The year 1664 saw both the arrival of a final contingent of 140 Finns, and the change of ownership of the area from the Dutch to the English. The memory of the early Finnish settlement lived on in place names near the Delaware River such as Finland (Marcus Hook), Nya Vasa, Nya Korsholm, Tornea, Lapland, Finns Point and Mullica. Several authors have suggested that the log cabin was a Finnish contribution to the New World, and that John Morton, one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence was a descendant of the Värmland Finnish Marttinen/Mårtenson family.
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1794-1867
Possibly the first Finn to have reached Alaska was a carpenter, Aleksanteri Kuparinen, who accompanied a group of Russian Orthodox monks locating on Kodiak Island in 1794.
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1830s-1850s
Immigration from Finland to the United States started as a trickle consisting mainly of sailors who saw the opportunity to settle down. Documents show that sailors William Lundell and Carl Sjödahl left their respective ships to farm in the United States, Lundell in Massachusetts, and Sjödahl in Alabama where the latter achieved remarkable prosperity under his new name, Charles Linn.
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1860s-1870s
In the 1870s, poor farming conditions contributed to substantial emigration from Western Finland, notably from Tornio River Valley, Kalajoki, and the areas around Kokkola, Vaasa and Kristiina. In the south, Turku was a gateway to North America. Newspaper accounts of the United States as the land of freedom, democracy, and equality further generated interest in emigration. During the 1860s and 70s Finnish settlers were found in Cokato, New York Mills, and Duluth, Minnesota, the latter subsequently known as the "Helsinki of America." Michigan mining communities included Calumet, Hancock, Marquette, Ishpeming, Negaunee and Ironwood. Farming communities were found in Nisula, Kyrö, Watton-Covington and Kaleva. Between 1870 and 1920, approximately 340,000 Finns immigrated to the United States.
Transmitting the Finnish cultural heritage to the next generation was considered a high priority among Finnish-Americans. The first Finnish-American newspaper, Amerikan Suomalainen Lehti (America's Finnish Newspaper) was published by Antti Muikku in Hancock, Michigan, 1876, the first of several hundred Finnish-American papers. Amerikan Suomalaisen Kirjallisuuden Seura (The American Finnish Literature Society) was founded in Calumet, Michigan 1878, initially to publish instructional material for children, as well as religious literature. In general, Finnish immigrants were distinguished by their high literacy rate.
1880s-1890s
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Emphasis on Finnish culture and literacy remained strong. It is estimated that of the Finnish immigrants arriving between 1899 and 1910, 98 percent were able to read, compared to the average immigrant literacy rate of 76 percent.
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The division between those Finnish-Americans with a more conservative, religious orientation, and those with a more leftist and labor focus began in the 1890s. Church life contrasted with labor activities which centered around the various local meeting places, the "halls." The first and perhaps most noted of these was Brooklyn's Imatra Hall which catered to the inhabitants of Brooklyn's "Finntown." The history of the Finnish-American Workers' College illustrates the range of immigrant loyalties. This institution, which was particularly active prior to World War I, began as a seminary, but became progressively more labor-oriented before closing in 1941.
The Finnish National Brotherhood, the Knights of Kaleva, was founded in 1898 to further Finnish culture in the United States.
1900s
Finns were identified for the first time in the 1900 U.S. census, which counted about 63,000 persons born in Finland. Of these, about 56,000 lived in Michigan, Minnesota, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and California. Almost a third of the total, approximately 19,000, lived in Michigan. Inspired by the Finnish national epic, the Kalevala, Kaleva was founded in southern Michigan in the early 1900s and attracted hundreds of Finnish-American residents.
1910s
This decade saw the founding of the Finnish cooperative colony, Redwood Valley, California (1912-1932), and the flowering of the Finnish cooperatives, particularly general stores in the Midwest.
1920s
The 1920 Census again showed that Michigan and Minnesota were home to largest numbers of Finnish-Americans, with about 34 percent of the total United States population born in Finland evenly divided between each state. Elsewhere, Finnish-American settlements could be found in Oulu, Wisconsin; Frederick (Savo), South Dakota; Waukegan and De Kalb, Illinois; and Ashtabula (Iloinen) Harbor and Cleveland, Ohio. On the East Coast, Massachusetts quarries provided employment, as did the industry and other businesses of Boston. New York City was home to Finnish-Americans, particularly Brooklyn's 10,000-strong "Finntown." By this time thousands of Finns also had settled in California, Washington and Oregon. A distinct correlation could be found between the areas of emigration in Finland and of immigration in the United States, as people from certain Finnish localities preferred to settle in particular areas of the United States.
The Order of Runeberg was founded in 1920 by Swedish-speaking Finnish-Americans of whom about 70,000 were estimated to have arrived in the United States between 1880-1940. Johan Ludvig Runeberg was a well known Swedish-speaking Finnish poet who, among other things, wrote the lyrics to the Finnish national anthem.
The first Finnish-American Congressman, Oscar J. Larson, an attorney from Minnesota elected as a Republican, served in the Sixty-seventh and Sixty-eighth Congresses 1921-1925. The year 1921 also saw the founding of a second Finnish-American cooperative community in McKinnon, Georgia (1921-1966).
The last large wave of Finns immigrating to the U.S. came in 1923, numbering about 12,000.
1930s to 1940s
Finnish-Americans provided aid as well as a number of volunteers to Finland during the Winter War and World War II. The Finnish Relief Fund established to provide civilian aid was headed by former President Herbert Hoover.
The architects, father and son, Eliel and Eero Saarinen became particularly well known in the United States during these decades. Eliel Saarinen was the first director of the Cranbrook Academy of Art in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. Eero Saarinen's most notable contribution is the design for the Jefferson National Expansion Memorial, or "Gateway Arch to the West," in St. Louis, Missouri.
1950s to 1980s
St. Urho's Day, a Finnish-American celebration, began in Minnesota in the 1950s. This tongue-in-cheek event reflects the Finnish-American acculturation process with a nod to St. Patrick's Day. St. Urho's Day is celebrated March 16, and is now recognized as a Finnish-American event throughout the United States. Minnesotans Richard L. Mattson and Sulo Havumaki are credited for initiating this celebration in 1956. The colors worn on St. Urho's Day, royal purple and nile green, are in memory of the fictitious occasion on which St. Urho ("St. Brave") supposedly chased away the grasshoppers threatening Finland's grape harvest.
Lantana, Lake Worth and New Port Richey, Florida acquired popularity as areas for Finnish settlement.
FinnFest USA, Inc. has been arranging annual FinnFests since 1983 to highlight Finnish-American culture and heritage. FinnFest '88 at the University of Delaware, Newark, Delaware had as its theme "350 years of Finns in the United States" to observe the 350th anniversary of the arrival of Finnish settlers to the site of present day Wilmington.
To observe the 350th anniversary of the Finnish settlement in Delaware, a Joint Resolution of the 99th Congress, May 22, 1986 and a Presidential Proclamation on September 17, 1987 designated 1988 as the "National Year of Friendship with Finland."
1990 to Present
The groundbreaking for Salolampi Finnish Language Village was held in 1990. This center for language learning is currently owned by Concordia College.
The 1992 Library of Congress Exhibition, Bearers of the Word: Finnish Immigrant Literature in America 1876-1992, highlighted the continuation of the Finnish literary tradition in the U.S.
Finnish American Societies with chapters in various localities include the Finnish-American Historical Society, International Order of Runeberg, Finnish American Heritage Society, and Finlandia Foundation which thrived for many years under the patronage of Dr. Vaino Hoover (Huovinen).
Finnish-Americans count in their number the actresses Christine Lahti and Jessica Lange, producer Renny Harlin, authors Jean Auel, Anselm Hollo, Stephen Kuusisto and Tiina Nunnally, who is also known for her fine translations.
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Charles Wuorinen is a Pulitzer Prize winning composer. Paul Kangas is best known from Nightly Business Report on TV. Last but not least, Finnish names are often seen in the National Hockey League.
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It's time to end the Department of Education. We pour billions of dollars into that cluster f{:content:}amp;k every year and in return, society gets a bunch of kids who can't read or write. Also, we need to end the teachers unions and fire a lot of really bad teachers.
Do you suppose that's how Finland made it to the top scores?
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Hi Ho Silver Rider, Tonto here Kimosabi,
From my experiance with Finnish people i would say they spend more time outdoors than the average English Couch Potatoe, maybe due to more Sun in the North or the fact that they spend a lot of time clearing snow so they can get their Volvos out of the drive.
I would live there in an instant if i could take my entitlement to free health care with me, truly great people and prolific drinkers of the amber nectar.
Regards, Danny
In summer the days are very long, but in winter they are very short.
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Take at look at who's at the top. Finland??? I mean, no disrespect, but what's so special about Finland? How is it that they appear to be doing things so much better than us?
In regard to Finland, it has cooler weather, which means that people sometimes stay indoors and read more often. And according to wiki...
The Finnish education system is an egalitarian Nordic system, with no tuition fees and with free meals served to full-time students. The present Finnish education system consists of well-funded and carefully thought out daycare programs (for babies and toddlers) and a one-year "pre-school" (or kindergarten for six-year olds); a nine-year compulsory basic comprehensive school (starting at age seven and ending at the age of sixteen); post-compulsory secondary general academic and vocational education; higher education (University and Polytechnical); and adult (life-long, continuing) education. The Nordic strategy for achieving equality and excellence in education has been based on constructing a publicly funded comprehensive school system without selecting, tracking, or streaming students during their common basic education. Part of the strategy has been to spread the school network so that pupils have a school near their homes whenever possible or, if this is not feasible, e.g. in rural areas, to provide free transportation to more widely dispersed schools. Inclusive special education within the classroom and instructional efforts to minimize low achievement are also typical of Nordic educational systems. -
My neighbor was singing a bar from this one today, and now it keeps going through my head. Where are you, little star?
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I have a couple books on Chanel that also place her at the Paris premiere of The Rite of Spring and mention her inviting Stravinsky and his family to stay with her. Any more is conjecture I suppose. But even so, the movie works and I suggest you give it a try. I think you'll like it. Oh, and I forgot to mention in my previous post, but the costumes and art direction/interior design is to die for.
Vogue magazine stated that "the affair in fact lasted just a few months."
Coco Chanel & Igor Stravinsky is based on the interesting fact that the two met in Paris and later had an affair. Chanel attended the infamous Paris premiere of Stravinsky's "The Rite of Spring" in 1913. The audience was appalled. They booed and fled the theater in the middle of the premiere performance.Though they met briefly on that infamous occasion, it was seven years later that Chanel invited Stravinsky and his family to live at her villa. It is during this period, 1920-21, that Chanel and Stravinsky had an affair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGz20G26ecA&feature=relatedChanel was born in Saumur, France. She was the second daughter of Albert Chanel and Jeanne Devolle, a market stallholder and laundrywoman respectively at the time of her birth. Her birth was declared by employees of the hospital in which she was born. They, being illiterate, could not provide or confirm the correct spelling of the surname and it was recorded by the mayor François Poitou as "Chasnel". This misspelling made the tracing of her roots almost impossible for biographers when Chanel later rose to prominence.Her parents married in 1883. She had five siblings: two sisters, Julie (1882–1913) and Antoinette (born 1887) and three brothers, Alphonse (born 1885), Lucien (born 1889) and Augustin (born and died 1891). In 1895, when she was 12 years old, Chanel's mother died of tuberculosis and her father left the family. Because of this, the young Chanel spent six years in the orphanage of the Roman Catholic monastery of Aubazine, where she learned the trade of a seamstress. School vacations were spent with relatives in the provincial capital, where female relatives taught Coco to sew with more flourish than the nuns at the monastery were able to demonstrate.
When Coco turned eighteen, she was obliged to leave the orphanage, and affiliated with the circus of Moulins as a cabaret singer. During this time, Chanel performed in bars in Vichy and Moulins where she was called "Coco." Some say that the name comes from one of the songs she used to sing, and Chanel herself said that it was a "shortened version of coquette, the French word for 'kept women," according to an article in The Atlantic.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coco_Chanel
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There was a French movie that came out a year or so ago, called "Coco & Igor". It didn't get a lot of publicity or wide distribution, unfortunately, and kind of got overshadowed by the Audrey Tatou Coco Chanel movie. But I saw Coco & Igor, and I was spellbound. Is it 100% accurate in depicting the relationship between Coco Chanel and Igor Stravinsky? Who knows. What I do know is that it is worth seeing this movie just for the first 15 minutes, which depicts with great detail the infamous Paris premiere of Stravinsky's Le Sacre du Printemps (The Rite of Spring). And the actors who portray Chanel and Stravinsky are wonderful. Highly recommended for fans of both Chanel and Stravinsky...and if you're a fan of the Rite of Spring and want to see a good visualization of what happened that historic night of May 29, 1913.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21ldvFgZCEI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Probably not, because the story is based on a rumour.
source: wiki
She was quite attractive. He was a young man. The rumoured affair reportedly happened in 1920. These videos include photos of them near that time.
Though the affair in fact lasted just a few months, from the summer to the winter of 1920, Greenhalgh uses intriguing parallels between his protagonists' lives to imply that the bond between them survived. Beginning with Chanel's appearance at the first performance of Stravinsky's The Rite of Spring in Paris in 1913, the author reveals that, after losing everything in the Russian Revolution of 1917, the composer took his consumptive wife and four children to live with the designer. Having made her fortune during the Great War, it was a considerable social coup for Chanel to act as benefactor to such a celebrated musician....vogue.co.uk/news/daily/2002-06/020611-coco-and-igor
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Limousine Driver in London: Would you like me to take the Chiswick roundabout through Hounslow and Staines?
Aaron Green: What is this, fucking Middle Earth? Just take us to the airport, okay?
Sounds like culture shock.
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Strider Takes His GF To Led Zeppelin And Loses Her To Robert.
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