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It's an apples to oranges comparison, Walter. The Stones have never quite stopped rolling since 1962. They've got robust management and staff in place with an incredible amount of experience and connections to make whatever they want happen, as well as third parties they can trust to execute it.
I'd argue Led Zeppelin's 02 concert dvd exists in part because the band met it's demise more than 30 years ago and Jimmy's efforts to take things
further amounted to nothing. It's a great production but it's also akin to a consolation prize for all those fans holding their breath for anything more.
The Stones just keep rolling. Bear in mind none of the Hyde Park video releases contain the complete performance, undoubtedly setting the stage for a "remastered edition" to follow in years to come.
Oh common, everybody knows that there's still alot of stuff in the vault and for some reason Jimmy won't release it.
The Stones are doing the right thing. It's just a question of effort. If you tell me that Jimmy has been working alot these last 4 years you'd be lying because he hasn't moved a finger, besides doing Celebration Day, he hasn't put out something good since HTWWW and the Led Zeppelin DVD, wich by the way, still doesn't have a follow up.
I'm not saying I don't like Jimmy or anything but, with everything they could have done, because Robert and JPJ also have a big say in this so this goes to the three of them, it's just ridiculous the small portion of things we have when you compare it to what other big bands of the 70's like The Stones have put on sale for the past five years or so, the 1978 buffalo show, remastered Some Girls album with new songs that didn't feature the album, the 1972 shows in Texas, Blu Ray DVDs of their shows,
the 1973 shows and alot of other stuff online, the list goes on and on. I'm thankfull everyday of the week for the DVD and HTWWW because that's really all the live material we get from the band besides TSRTS movie. Are you seriously gonna tell me that the reason why they won't release more live albums is because Jimmy can't find anything else? So there's no Pontiac? No Bath? No 1971 shows recorded with multi tracks?
I'm not trying to stir up a "oh they have all this stuff and they won't put it out" argument, but I just can't believe how we've settled with so little. It almost feels like being a GN'R fan.
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I see the Echoplex question may have been answered correctly already (1970). I'll try to look into it a bit further.
With regard to his stage attire he has loaned the black dragon suit to exhibitions from time to time but always gets it back, and so far as I know he still has the white dragon suit. In fact, he did allow Tony Simerman and his team of designers at Knucklebonz USA to study it back in 2007 when they were producing The Jimmy Page Rock Iconz limited edition figurine. I'm not 100% sure about the space suit, but he did say he still has the life mask they made of his face for his fantasy sequence in TSRTS so it stands to reason he has also kept the space suit.
I thought he donated one of his suits to the RnR Hall Of Fame in Cleveland. Guess I was wrong. Thanks so much for your help Steve.
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The Echoplex EP2 can be seen at the RAH gig, he started using an EP2 in the June 1972.
So I guess it wasn't true that they said Jimmy's tone changed alot in 1973 because of the echoplex pre amp.
Did he start using something like an effects pedal in 1973 that wasn't being used earlier on stage by him?
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Steve, do you know exactly when did Jimmy start to use the echoplex unit? Some say 1973, others say that eh used them on 1973 but didn't use it in 1975, but returned in 1977 and was used utill the end of Led Zepp. Just wanted to pin it down.
Also, were are Jimmy's suits, the white dragon suit from 1977, the dragon suit and the space suit, at the moment?
I heard they were no longer in Jimmy's posession.
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The 1975 WLLs are special, it's just so cool the way they mixed WLL with Black Dog. I think that the Earls Court versions are my favorites because of Jimmy's tone.
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Cream was pompous? LOL
Well, would a non pompous band make sunshine of your love? Zeppelin was pompous too acording to Pete Townshend.
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Anything to keep a crowd sedated I suppose.
Yeah, well, you wouldn't want to make a crowd of 50.000 people mad because your buddie had just collapsed from of a bad cocktail.
I think that Nutrocker got it right, they couldn't tell the truth, especially right after Keef's bust in Canada. Something that always amazed me,
since '73, Zeppelin probably had more parties going on than the Stones, but they never got arrested or even searched by the police for dope.
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looking for the date, location, and photographer contact info for this photograph:
Jimmy's shirt looks like the one he's wearing in Australia 1972, but I can't be sure about that, so I'll leave it to the "professionals", hahaha!
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Steve I remember hearing a while back about Baby I'm Gonna Leave You making a come back to the set in 1977 or 1980, is this true?
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At around 1:41 - 1:43 on Babe I'm Gonna Leave you I keep faintly hearing what sounds like a child playing - is it just me hearing things or has anyone else heard this?
Robert overdub the vocals and the voices you hear in the track when he's not singing is just Robert when they were recording the song all together singing with them.
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I like how people still think that the reason Jimmy passed out with stomach cramps on that show wasn't heroin related. He probably mixed it with a ton of alcohol, common mistake.
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Hi Steve, I have a question about TSRTS, the film. I looked through the thread discussing it, but didn't find anything on it. If it has been discussed please redirect me to the thread, thanks.
What I'd like to know is, in TSRTS, during SIBLY, that girl in the audience with the hood on, at a certain point she starts laughing, obviously, at something that is going on onstage. Do we know what made her laugh?
Thanks again and I apologize if this question has been asked before.
Probably the weed, hahah. No but seriously, if you were at a Zeppelin concert you were bound to laugh at one point or another. Robert probably looked at her or she was laughing at his gestures or something. Why would you want to know that anyways?
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The only thing I could find on Plant dissing other artists was this piece from Digital Spy, 21 Jan. 2008:
Led Zeppelin's Robert Plant has complained about Radiohead and Red Hot Chili Peppers after hearing their records in a North London bar.Music by the two rocks acts was played at Camden's Fifty Five Bar, prompting Plant to complain and request they play '60s psychedelia star Captain Beefheart instead, according to The Sun.
"He was drinking with a woman and didn’t like the choice of tunes playing," said a source. "Radiohead was on and he started complaining. He said, ‘What’s this rhyming cr*p?'
"The staff were obviously keen to please him so they changed the music. They put on the Red Hot Chili Peppers, who they thought might be more up his street.
"But he didn’t like their stuff either and said it was like a ‘nursery rhyme'. He then said he wanted to listen to Captain Beefheart."
He's spot on when it comes to shity music, Radiohead and Red Hot are mediocre bands... Bubblegum shit.
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David Coverdale isn't the only one? Who else has been on Plant's sh*t list over the years?
Yeah, I'm also curious about that, I've never heard Robert "trash" anyone...
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Hahahaha, ride on! I also love DM and nobody will ever change that... Now throw your stones at us!!tfw I like Hot Dog...
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Alright then, I just wanted to find out if Zeppelin would have continued to be a great selling band post 1980.
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A second date in Berlin (July 8, 1980) appeared in the final tour itinerary and on official merchandise but was scrapped (as I recall the second date in Berlin was never announced or promoted and tickets never went on sale). To my knowledge no gigs in '80 were cancelled on account of poor ticket sales, though several dates in June were rescheduled on account of more extensive tour rehearsals than anticipated becoming necessary in May 1980.
By '80, Led Zeppelin was catching flak in the UK press for being dinosaurs, a viewpoint fueled in part by a new generation of writers and the growing popularity of punk rock. Disdain resulted in only one
UK magazine reporter being sent on assignment to cover their Over Europe tour, Steve Gett of Melody Maker.
Venue capacity has been provided here by others.
Great info, thanks alot! So, do you think the American tour would sell without a problem?
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Wow... I thought they were playing for like 2000 people, guess I was way off!
So they were still selling a ton of tickets, then why was the press saying that Zeppelin was dead and were having trouble selling tickets?
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Hi Steve, I have a question: How big was the audience on the 1980 shows? I have no clue about it and it's been bugging me for a long time. I know we've talked about two shows from that tour being canceled because the tickets failed to sell, but not exactly about how big the audience was.
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I always find funny how basicaly every contemporary musician trashes Zeppelin because of their obvious musical superiority and larger fan base.
Pete Townshend says the same things as Ginger Baker, hates the music and likes them as people... They just can't get past their jealousy.
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The song's not challenging at all to play on any of the instruments. They probably never felt like playing it live, like The Rover....
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Awesome, and it makes sense too.
Obviously RP stopped using his rune first, closely followed by JPJ.... but does anyone know the first gig they appeared and when they stopped using them?
Just as an aside.... it's amazing that they were playing gigs of that size with little or no onstage monitoring. It's no wonder RP shagged his voice - he must have been really belting it out just to hear himself with the PA so far from him and that wall of sound coming from behind.
The first gig they used the symbols was for sure on the Back to the Clubs tour in 1971. It's hard to pin it down, what turned out to be the first tour with the legendary IV album songs like Stairway and Rock N Roll is really bad documented...
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I have absolutely no doubts he will be back in a new guise at some point - let's just hope his attitude has mellowed when he returns. (He used to be called Taro, let's see what's next).
His attitude was a real shame and so utterly pointless - these forums are so interesting and so many people here share their information and knowledge freely so we can all learn stuff. I can't understand people who have to resort to abuse if they don't get the answer they want (even though they've asked 50 people the same thing and still got the same answer!), or someone has a different (or even the same
) opinion as them.Geezer was Taro?? I had no clue!! No wonder he was a dick!
Anyways we might as well get back on topic so here goes:
A while back I remember listening to a 1975 bootleg and Robert Plant was introducing Celebration Day, wich they played after, but now I can't seem to find it anywhere.
Am I making things up or did they play that song in 1975, at some point during the US tour.
Can the almighty SAJ help me out on this one?
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What does "bitching about" mean? Yeah I don't like the production of TSRTS and I don't think I'm alone here. Only an outright fanboy would defend Jimmy when it comes to things like this.
Engineering on HTWWW is just horrific and I know what I'm talking about. Bonham flattened drum sound speaks for itself.
I agree that there's just way to many plugins being used on HTWWW but TSRTS is a great live album. I never dug the sound of HTWWW but the show is still tremendously good, possibly one of the best Zeppelin shows ever, and thank god we have a cleaned up version of the show for us to listen to, but man... those drums sound overproduced as hell... that snare in the beginning.. sounds like the shirley put some god awfull plugins on that, the guitar is all over the place, but I still love it anyways, and I listen to it regularly... I've always loved TSRTS and I never quite got the whole hatred towards the mixing. The older version sounds better than the remastered version, but it's still awesome, at least to my ears. Black Dog from TSRTS made me want to pick up the guitar. There's just something about Jimmy's tone in that show...
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Zeppelin Mysteries Hosted by Steve A. Jones
in Led Zeppelin Master Forum
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I've been searching all week for a review I saw so I could post it here. It was a review about an early 1975 show and I'm not sure but it could have been one of the Chicago gigs, as the first half of the 21st of January show was not recorded, but I was trying to get the bootleg and on this website (I won't post links here, don't worry) they had a plethora of reviews before the links to the download, and I was skipping through the reviews and I remember seeing this "In The Light might be an internacional hit", or something very similiar and along those lines.
Now, I don't know what to make of this, but I know for sure that this concert was before Physical Graffiti was released, so I'm pretty sure it was from the 1st leg of the 1975 American Tour.
Another possibility is that Zeppelin could have handed a copy of the song to play on the radio before it was released and the reviewer heard it before the show, the rolling stones used to do that all the time.
I'm gonna keep looking for the damned review, as soon as I find it I'll post it here.