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  1. TheEyeOfZoro

    Dragon Telecaster Re-created

    Now that I'm back from NAMM and having seen all of the guitars up close at the Fender booth, I have a few praises, comments and criticisms. First the Praises: 1) Paul Waller seeking out Cathedral Grain patterns with a clear plastic template and building the bodies as two piece off center as on Jimmy's guitar body takes a lot of time and effort. As he points out the grain pattern really was very much apart of the character of the guitar. The Dragon is a living object and paying respect to the wood of the guitar is important in my opinion. That took care and craftsmanship. Paul deserves a lot of respect for the wood working part of this build. 2) Paul and his team flew to England and measured the neck and the claim here is that the neck is the exact shape as Page's. If this guitar really is "Excalibur" as Jimmy referred to it in his press release interview, then the Neck is the sword. The bow was the wand, but the neck was his sword. If it is the neck from the original, the fact that he pulled if off the guitar and put it on B-Bender a guitar that in his later part of Zeppelin and the Firm, shows how much he loved it. The phrasing on the Chopin Etude on the ARMS concert is an example of how much he evolved with this neck. 3) The Diffraction grating film under the pickguard is correct. Maybe a little overstated as the film Page used wasn't as strong as this sheet. I hate seeing people build this guitar with aluminum foil or some other garbage. This type of sheet Jimmy Page refers to in the recent Fender Promotional interview as the "7th Element". An interesting reference to Helena Blavatsky. Page as always maintained the Diffraction grating ( a term used for the sheets on CD's) he placed under the perspex pick-guard as giving off Rainbow colors. “Yes. There was work done on it but only afterwards. I painted it; everyone painted their guitars in those days. And I had reflective plastic sheeting underneath the pick guard that gives rainbow colors.” ~ July 77 Guitar World Steve Rosen Interview 4) Jimmy Page chose, supplied and applied (some of) the colors/paints onto the guitars directly. This is cool as as it should be. Lets face it ta lot of the $25K is for the Autograph. Because a more accurate 59' build does not cost anywhere near this. Hell you can get a real 59 for under $25K. Very close and yes many sell at or above but I own a 58 and 59 and I didnt pay anywhere near that. 5) Love that both versions of the guitar are offered. As they are linked visually. NO CIRCLES ARE NOT A NOD TO SYD BARRETT. The Circles are a reference to the Dragon. So a "SET" of guitars is a great metophor to their actual significance. And Yes the Mirrored STICKERS were applied before most people ever saw SYD's. I doubt Jimmy Saw SYD's prior to DECEMBER 66, when they were applied not FEB 67 as Fender claims they may have been applied. 6) Watching the young kids pickup and play the cheaper Dragon was awesome. They loved it. And that to me is the best part of this project. The comments/criticisms: 1) I'm surprise Fender and Jimmy didn't try and go for an as it was look. Relic'ing to some extent like on the Mirror'd version. The under the pickguard ripples, cloudy appearance, bleed through paint, and markings. None of these are present and absolutely could have been achieved with known photos. 2) The MIRRORS were NOT actual mirrors. They were metal reflective stickers that got stuffed in time and needed to be constantly polished to keep them refecting and they had NO GLASS on them. So why do that now? Just simply not accurate. Also FENDER Does't ship these ON THE GUITAR but rather IN THE CASE. Why because they don't want to be accountable for the double sided sticker to damage the finish. Lame. 3) The neck doesn't have clay markers on the Custom Shop. Really? Why? That's what JP's neck had. 4) I'm confused about the Signature on the back of the neck. Is it only on the White Mirrored CS version? Seems as though if you want that awesome graph you need to buy both. Wow! Really? Please correct me if I'm wrong. 5) The Dragon doesn't seem to be finished. NONE of the Yellow paint between the Red & Green & Orange lines are present. Its just raw wood where there was clearly YELLOW paint on the actual guitar. There isn't even Yellow on the Made in "Ensenada" version. 6) The MIM version is like a bulky sticker that is raised off the body. I could have been a silk screen or some other option but its dull in color and feels weird. 7) Lastly, while I get that the drawing was re-illustrated with Page's supervision, its close but off in sections. Out of proportion and the fine lines and corners of the original which to my eye look to have been painted with a razor cut stencil are simply rounded in corners making it look like a bad art students rendition. If the original was done with such accuracy (with what seems to be an easier approach), why was't this one? 8- The pick-guard is too big on the top arc and covers the Serpent lower mouth. Hides the essence of the visual object. Covering key parts of the image, hides its meaning. Maybe thats what Page wanted who knows but its more because Fender based this pick-guard off of an actual Telecaster pick-guard shape and not the CUSTOM one made for page. Which was no where to be seen in the onsite Fender visit photos. 9) That Fullerton 3 way switch in the pics, the 50062 bottom stamped Neck plate (1959-60) and a Feb 58 neck? Really? This guitar is mysteriously a major Mutt/Partscaster. Hard to believe that the neck and NECK PLATE are so far apart. Something smells fishy here. The body has all the grain pattern markings of the real Dragon. But something is fishy to me. Did Page really pull this neck back off of the B-Bender. The paint makings on the neck heel are interesting but who sands off the date stamp INSIDE a pickup cavity and neck cavity? That is some serious sanding that this guitar had. You would think it was a gun used in a murder or something. 10) Has else noticed the the white rope around the bridge pickup as NO PAINT ON IT WHAT SOEVER? What happened to the myth of the body be being painted over ruining the bridge pickup? Did this pickup get rewound and rewrapped with new cloth? The rosin build up on the magnet poles could not be seen in the video and is not in the relic'ing so.... Those magnet/rubber spacers are cool but simply keep the pickup in place. I'm sure some audiophiles will say the magnets do something. Well lets hopefully see what the custom wind output ends up being when they are in the hands of buyers. I think the $2500 Mirrored version is a great guitar. And a silk screen/autograph is worth it to me. I see myself buying one. I'll probably stripe it and paint my own Dragon.
  2. TheEyeOfZoro

    Page's Supro amp recreated

    Oy.... $12.5K and half are gone.
  3. TheEyeOfZoro

    Dragon Telecaster Re-created

    I do have to say, I love the name of this new amp collaboration "The Sun Dragon". I see two Suns in Page's Dragon or a "Sun Behind a Sun". Did I read this right, Page's Stairway amp fell out of the back of a Van? What is it with this Stairway gear? Seems like the Tone Bender foot Pedal, the amp and Guitar all seemed to have their own "curse". So glad the amp and guitar have risen once again... Here's a visual mashup I did recently in celebration of this new NAMM announcement. Enjoy the insanity...
  4. TheEyeOfZoro

    Dragon Telecaster Re-created

    You know the more you look at this guitar that Jimmy is holding taken by his daughter for the Sundragonamp promotion, it does appear to have a the right grain pattern shape and there is a tiny knott in roughly the right spot. When you sand the face of a guitar the grain pattern is going to alter and shift, so clearly IF this really is the Dragon telecaster body this grain looks really close but slightly altered as would be expected from sanding. So I stand corrected. This really could be the Dragon with a new paint job.
  5. TheEyeOfZoro

    Dragon Telecaster Re-created

    I will say this is by far one of the best illustrated recreations of the original dragon design, but still has some spacial issues to the original drawing as would be expected. It definitely was NOT made from a tracing of the original design or any stencils that made have survived the summer of 1967. I had previously heard rumors that Page had found stencils from which the artwork for the guitar was made, from second hand information from guitar luthiers claiming to have been approached by a personal photographer friend of Pages that was implying they may have the possibility of doing the Dragon project. When I later read the October 10th press releases that Jimmy had hired the illustrator who worked on the Led Zeppelin by Led Zeppelin to recreate the artwork for the Dragon, that theory or rumor seemed to be put to bed. So I will be at NAMM waiting to see the created artwork up close. Hopefully a custom shop model will be on hand. The guitar modeled for the Sundragon Amp is definitely NOT the original body painted over. While the cathedral gain pattern on this guitar is very close and a beautiful match, it is slightly to the left of the actual Dragon's body. This rendition has variations from the actual Dragon design that (if I were expecting to pay $50K for a set of Custom Shop Relic'd recreations) I wish were there. They are for me as follows: 1) A little bit more accuracy on the drawing itself. For example the Sushumna column on the left left is way to far over and too much of the red serpent is covered and Djinn Lamp shape and inner Djinn are a little distorted. 2) The areas in red that had bleed the white primer through causing it to turn pink are not present anywhere in this. 3) The ripples in the diffraction grating caused I believe by I believe wet paint when the pick guard was reapplied after the painting are not present. 4) Also the green paint bleed at the top of the pick guard, the red smear, black smudge and white cloudy "substance" between the clear pickguard and diffraction grating are also not there. It's as though it is a clean new sheet of diffraction grating. Now I get that is how Page installed the rainbow effect diffraction grating prior to the paint job as can be seen in the April 30th Chaville France Yardbirds show, but still the character of this guitar captured on film from the summer of 1967 through May of 1969 includes these visual artifacts. An accurate relic is an accurate relic. So I doubt this is the final product. I expect that the Custom Shop will have a far more accurate rendition and that later this week we will see what $25K and 8 months of getting it right, will reveal. I Love that Jimmy is doing this project AND making a low cost made in Mexico version. I think he has every right to bring this guitar to market and I think this Consecrated Talisman is the most important musical living objects ever made. Mad props to the Magus.
  6. TheEyeOfZoro

    Dragon Telecaster Re-created

    I will say this is by far one of the best illustrated recreations of the original dragon design, but still has some spacial issues to the original drawing as would be expected. It definitely was NOT made from a tracing of the original design or any stencils that made have survived the summer of 1967. I had previously heard rumors that Page had found stencils from which the artwork for the guitar was made, from second hand information from guitar luthiers claiming to have been approached by a personal photographer friend of Pages that was implying they may have the possibility of doing the Dragon project. When I later read the October 10th press releases that Jimmy had hired the illustrator who worked on the Led Zeppelin by Led Zeppelin to recreate the artwork for the Dragon, that theory or rumor seemed to be put to bed. So I will be at NAMM waiting to see the created artwork up close. Hopefully a custom shop model will be on hand. The guitar modeled for the Sundragon Amp is definitely NOT the original body painted over. While the cathedral gain pattern on this guitar is very close and a beautiful match, it is slightly to the left of the actual Dragon's body. This rendition has variations from the actual Dragon design that (if I were expecting to pay $50K for a set of Custom Shop Relic'd recreations) I wish were there. They are for me as follows: 1) A little bit more accuracy on the drawing itself. For example the Sushumna column on the left left is way to far over and too much of the red serpent is covered and Djinn Lamp shape and inner Djinn are a little distorted. 2) The areas in red that had bleed the white primer through causing it to turn pink are not present anywhere in this. 3) The ripples in the diffraction grating caused I believe by I believe wet paint when the pick guard was reapplied after the painting are not present. 4) Also the green paint bleed at the top of the pick guard, the red smear, black smudge and white cloudy "substance" between the clear pickguard and diffraction grating are also not there. It's as though it is a clean new sheet of diffraction grating. Now I get that is how Page installed the rainbow effect diffraction grating prior to the paint job as can be seen in the April 30th Chaville France Yardbirds show, but still the character of this guitar captured on film from the summer of 1967 through May of 1969 includes these visual artifacts. An accurate relic is an accurate relic. So I doubt this is the final product. I expect that the Custom Shop will have a far more accurate rendition and that later this week we will see what $25K and 8 months of getting it right, will reveal. I Love that Jimmy is doing this project AND making a low cost made in Mexico version. I think he has every right to bring this guitar to market and I think this Consecrated Talisman is the most important musical living objects ever made. Mad props to the Magus.
  7. TheEyeOfZoro

    Jimmy Page x Fender… Coming January 2019

    I just got back from a Music Store in Los Angeles, CA and the "tentative" pricing I'm hearing is that a Master Built Fender Telecaster Sets (Pre-Dragon & Dragon) are being sold for $50K. I asked if that was $25K each and the store owner said yes. There was a JP Pre-Dragon Telecaster American made Telecaster in a fender catalog which interestingly had NO MIRRORED CIRCLE's on it! The photo offered to the store by Fender for the Custom Shop Master Built Dragon Telecaster was literally this photo!!! So even though guitar dealers have begun taking full payment for the master built custom shop set and in some cases selling individual guitars from the set, this photo is all they have to go on. The Dragon will also be offered in a made in Mexico version for around $1399.00 USD. The fact that there are buyers who will pay $50K for a Fender Custom Shop "Master Built" Dragon Telecaster set, (one with the mirrors I presume and the other being the dragon aged) without even knowing how the paint job or aging will look like, simply amazes me. "The legend" of this guitar continues to mystify... Would love to hear what people think of the Dragon Telecaster being referred to as "Excalibur" by Page himself. It's an interesting comment.
  8. TheEyeOfZoro

    The Yardbirds

    In August of 1967, the guitar was painted with the Dragon. The circles were removed in April 1967.
  9. Jimmy Page with The Yardbirds at Fifth Dimension Club, Ann Arbor is a perfect example of the "Clear Coat" overspray washing out the painting in the first shot on the paint but not on the upper wood part. If the upper part was also protective coated I would imagine that it would have flashed out in them image like in the top pic. [Love the Behind the nut bending here, pre-heart breaker]
  10. Accidentally painting the tuners takes some serious effort. Overspray? As in clear protective coat? There are some live shots that I see a reflective glare over the bare wood areas and it moves as the angle moves. The accidentally painting it part sounds similar to the "mystery person story" who supposedly destroyed it. This painting looks stenciled. No way was it "Sprayed" without a stencil if sprayed at all. Every attempt at recreating it with a brushes looks terrible. Plus the clear straight lines and the super thin lines tell me it was stenciled. I would even venture to guess that Page still has the stencils because he as alluded that he wants to resurrect the guitar. $19.95 is an odd amount between friends and in Dollars I doubt, I would imagine you mean pounds. Yes in 1977 when interviewed by S. Rosen he said: "Yes. There was work done on it but only afterwards. I painted it; everyone painted their guitars in those days. And I had reflective plastic sheeting underneath the pick guard that gives rainbow colors." This supports the above statement by sixpense, that the fool may have inspired Jimmy to paint "The Dragon" and if anything I think he out did "The Fool" "mystically". [From: http://www.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/The-Tale-Of-Eric-Clapton-Fool-Gibson-SG.aspx] Marijke Koger described the overall theme of the design as “good versus evil, heaven versus hell, and the power of music in the universe to rise above it all as a force of good. The Fool’s graphic was as weird as it was wonderful. There’s that winged cherub with curls of fire sat astride a candy cloud: the big hair on the head of the cherub, the centerpiece of The Fool’s artwork, was inspired by Clapton’s own white-‘fro of the time. The cherub’s left hand is grasping a triangle, while his right hand holds a spoon-shaped beater. The arch of his right foot is balanced on top of the rear tone control. Six-sided yellow stars orbit around him. Swirling circles of blues, greens, and yellows adorn the rest of the body, with a sun and mountain range on the pickguard. Many have insisted to me that the Dragon was an abstract or psychedelic painting. I disagree. Knowing now that someone had contributed to it technically furthers my opinion that it was full of mystical meaning. Would love to know more about Earl.
  11. Well that fits very nicely with the longest stretch of time off between gigs. This is the first I've ever heard this information. Was this ever published or did you hear this first hand from Jimmy?
  12. Cool Story. I've heard similar stories and know that he goes online a lot.
  13. Yes you are right, as it only sometimes falls on the 20th for Summer and typically the 22nd for Winter. My bad. This site also lists it wrong, so in trying to make sure I was accurate for 1967 I may have gotten it off the web incorrectly. http://www.drikpanchang.com/seasons/season-summer-solstice-timings.html?year=1967 Interestingly in 1967 it was also a full moon (Strawberry Moon) as it was for for the first time last year. Considering you are Jimmy Page and have Prerequisite, what month / week did you paint the Dragon? Also considering it looks to me like it was done with Stencils, did anyone help you make those?
  14. Trying to determine what Month / week period when the Dragon was painted. Through mid April of 1967 Jimmy Page's Telecaster had mirror reflective circles on it as evidenced of the shows in Denmark with the last that I've seen by Jorgen Angels photographs on April 15th. Assuming on April 16th in Lolland Denmark the guitar was the same, sometime between April 17th and April 29th the guitars circles were removed and the custom clear perspex scratch plate was added that is newly visible at the April 30th 1967 Chaville France show. 30 April France. Did Page return to UK before May 20th France show. – NO CIRCLES NEW SCRATCH PLATE The next photo I have is from July 22nd 1967 with the Dragon Painted. Being that this is coming up on the 50th anniversary of the first photo I have of the Dragon, I'm dying to find out when it could have been painted. 6 May 1967 » Chippenham, England @ Royal Agricultural College 8 May 1967 » Cannes Film Festival Personal Appearance for Blow Up. 14 May 1967 » Stratford, London, England @ 18 May 1967 » Versailles, France @ 19 May 1967 » Elizabethville, Paris, France @ L'Hermitage 20 May 1967 Sat Jouy en Josas, France HEC Business School Note: HEC Business School end-of-year party; Billed with Joe Dassin, Jimmy James, Jean-Luc Ponty and Dexter Gordon 22 May 1967 » London, England @ BBC Radio 23 May 1967 » Bristol, England @ The Corn Exchange 26 May 1967 » London, England @ Tiles Club 27 May 1967 » Ramsgate, Kent, England @ Supreme Ballroom 29 May 1967 Monday Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England @ Cambridge City Football Club Stadium 1 June 1967 » Canterbury, Kent, England @ University of Kent 2 June 1967 Fri Canterbury, England University of Kent 5 June 1967 Mon Bath, England Pavilion 6 June 1967 » Malvern Wells, Worcs, England @ Winter Gardens 8 June 1967 » Worthing, West Sussex, England @ Worthing Assembly Hall 9 June 1967 » Margate, Kent, England @ Dreamland Ballroom 10 June 1967 » Torquay, Torbay, England @ Town Hall 16 June 1967 » Norwich, Norfolk, England @ Student Union, University of East Anglia 17 June 1967 Sat Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Royal Air Force (RAF) Waddington - Raven Club 18 June 1967 Sun London, England Saville Theater Note: Charity pop concert presented by Brian Epstein; with Manfred Mann, The New Vaudville Band, The Zombies, The Settlers [ 11 Days Off ] June 22nd Summer Solstice My guess is that the Dragon was painted during this 11 day period considering he was in England and it was the Summer solstice, a perfect time to Consecrate the Telecaster as Page describes... "During my time with The Yardbirds, I had taken the decision to Consecrate my guitar by painting it in psychedelic color opposites and employing diffraction grating beneath the clear Perspex scratch plate." Jimmy Page by Jimmy Page J June 30 1967 Shrewsbury, Shrops, England @ Shrewsbury Music Hall July 1 1967 Sat Chalk Farm, London, England Roundhouse TRAVEL FROM UK TO US FOURTH NORTH AMERICAN TOUR July 7 1967 Fri Vancouver, British Columbia Kerrisdale Arena July 8 1967 Sat Vancouver, British Columbia Kerrisdale Arena (41st Avenue & West Blvd.) Note: Both billed with Magic Fern, Painted Ship, Family Tree and Tom Northcott (pm) Two performances July 10 1967 Mon Theinville, WI USA Teensville July 11 1967 Tue Algonquin, IL USA New Place July 12 1967 Wed Aurora, IL USA Crimson Cougar July 19 1967 Wed Lakeside, CO USA Lakeside Amusement Park July 21 1967 Fri Santa Rosa, CA USA Santa Rosa Fairgrounds July 22 1967 Sat Santa Monica, CA USA Shrine Exhibition Hall or Civic Auditorium – DRAGON TELECASTER Photographed. ANY Photos of any of the above dates would be awesome.
  15. TheEyeOfZoro

    JIMMY PAGE PUBLIC PERFORMANCES (Pre-Zeppelin)

    Very interested in also trying to pin down when the 8 mirrored reflector stickers were affixed to the Jeff Beck gifted telecaster. [ on a side note, did Jeff barrow this guitar from John Owen, trade it for something or purchase it?] Dec 4 - Lima, Ohio - last known photo of the Telecaster WITHOUT the reflectors [5 Days to Travel back to UK from US and unpack.] Dec 10 - Bristol, UK - Bristol University Dec 13 - Aberystwyth Wales, Aberystwyth University UK Dec 15 - Hull, UK - Hull University [Dec 16 – Dec 21] 6 Day Break in UK - maybe it was during this break that he put the reflectors on. Dec 22, 1966 Little Games STUDIO SESSION: "You Stole My Love" (15 versions of backing track recorded), "L.S.D." Dec 23 Wembly Studios London, UK.- Ready Steady Go! Season 4 Episode 17 --Keith Relf and Paul Sammwell Smith Presented. [No indication yet that Jimmy Page was required to be present for the Ready Steady Go! Final episode!] Dec 24 [From SteveAJones previous comments] According to Jimmy, they departed London for New York on December 24, 1966, arriving in New York on Christmas Day. Dec 25 Arrival in New York Dec 26 - Rochester NY War Memorial Dec 27 - Ann Arbor, Fifth Dimension, MI Dec 28 - Peoria, IL – First Known Photo of Telecaster with 7 Reflectors. (later 8) Mike Fosters comments on what he witnessed on the back of the Guitar is also interesting. Maybe it was to cover up the "Jeffman" Stencil.
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