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  1. Providence, RI - even Plant acknowledges that in the middle of the show as he is apologizing to the audience for shouting at them.
  2. I'd have to agree and disagree with Strider. For me the Berkeley 1971 version is as good as it gets, and the organ worked better than the mellotron (same with ''Thank You'') While there are some 1971 solos that are hardly inspiring and some of them are of the ''who bets 3 Euros that Jimmy's gonna finish on the next F major chord'' sort, in 1971 and early 1972 every solo was quite unique. In 1972 Jimmy started using his ''templates'', including the riff that wraps up the solo (which I am not a big fan of). 1973 saw further development of templates. In 1975 he used the same standard riffs from 1973, the solos got too long for my taste (frequently Jimmy seemed to kill the time before returning to another stock riff of his). Of course one must take Jimmy's technical decline in consideration. I don't think there are more than 10 solos from 1975 that I really like. Naturally, I agree with everybody that Plant's singing and attitude got worse every year. Studio version is indeed superb, but the coda could have been more powerful (I don't know how). So, my favourites are: Berkeley 1971 Toronto 1971 Tokyo 1971 (23.09) Osaka 1971 (both shows) London 1971 (BBC and Empire Pool) Manchester 1971 LA Forum 1973 (2nd show) Providence 1973 TSRTS Good solos: Seattle 1975 (2nd show) Final night of Earls Court For Badgeholders only And if you'll excuse me, I'm off to the battlefield.
  3. 1971/09/23 Even though Jimmy makes a slight mistake in the middle of the song and they can't stay together during the final ritenuto, it's still my favourite. The last culmination is powerful beyond words.
  4. If you do these, please make the AUD recordings more prominent no matter how average the quality is. The soundboards from that tour are a turn-off. As opposed to this. The AUD part for this potential matrix should be no greater than 15-20% (?). In other words - just to add some natural reverb and vibe without hampering the sound of that excellent SBD. Not as excellent as 1975/02/12 or 1975/02/14 though.
  5. 1971/09/29 I never understood all the fuss about this show. I like it alright and the setlist is better than any other 1971 show (bar Copenhagen) but the performance lacks the raw energy and excitement that other shows from that year have. It seems that only Jimmy is REALLY ON that night. Maybe that's because they were recording.
  6. ? Jolly good list. Couldn't agree more about 1970/09/19, 1972/06/19 and 1975/03/21. Mine would be roughly the same for the period of '68-'75 except that I would take **** from '75 LA and add them to 1971/03/05. 1971-09-03*** 1971-11-24*****
  7. Ditto. I would never recommend the SBD version of this show to someone who hasn't yet listened to it. Same with Bonzo's Birthday Party.
  8. Try Godfather's ''That's Alright, New York''! It's something more than just a SBD+AUD Matrix.
  9. As I said before - the first LA concert was the real starting point. Of course his voice had it's ups and downs even in 69 - 70 but he always seemed to recover.However after 1971.08.21 that was it. In the early days he would have an Over The Top show followed by one or few more reserved nights before pushing again. In LA his performance wasn't that crazy actually. The unpleasant sound of his voice makes it seem so. During the Fall 1970 tour he put up much more stunning performances with no bad consequences The real problem was that it was only the beginning of the tour. Listen to 1971.08.23. Pretty much the worst shape his voice had ever been up to that point. Fast forward to the end of this tour (Berkeley) it's obvious that he had lost a significant portion of his range. This time it's still temporary because on the first two Japanase shows he sings much better than in Berkeley. Hiroshima and both Osaka shows (29th especially) are pretty weak for Plant by 1971 standarts. After quite a rest they embarked on a UK tour and Percy's voice appeared to be weaker than before. He had regained some of the lost range but his voice was far from what it was at Montreux 1971 + it's winter again so naturally Plant caught some kind of flu. He mentions it on Manchester show which ironically is his best gig of the tour. The following night however it is clear that the flu has taken it's toll. During the Australasian tour of 1972 his voice again is a little bit weaker than few months before. During the first 2 concerts Plant does not sound good at all, I guess another flu. He does a pretty good job on 1972.02.25 though. So what followed was a break of around 3 months. We can only guess what really happened but when they returned to US again it is almost shocking how much power and range had gone. He had that girly tone that is perfectly captured on HTWWW + cracks were much more frequent than ever before. I guess the Japan 1972 tour (which came more than 3 months after the conclusion of US 1972) is where everyone can notice the obvious strain of his voice. To me the tone sounds about the same and he pulls of some decent high notes but the amount of cracks are at least double compared to 3 months before. I haven't listened to any of the UK 1972 shows completely but from the bits that I have it seems that the number of cracks was a little lower but so was the range. SHEFFIELD - he has lost his voice completely and you really have to hear it. It's horrible. Haven't listened to the second part of this tour either save for Stoke 1973.01.15 where Plant seemed to have recovered quite well after Sheffield but now his voice is very weak and raspy. Moving on to Europe 1973 - it seems that Plant has settled in his new voice and range an generally gets better bit by bit as the tour progresses. I'm not a huge fan of this tour like many people here are though I do appreciate the SBD portions available. I don't feel qualified enough to talk about the first leg of the tour of US 1973 because I have only heard 4 complete shows from it and Plant seemed to be in a decent voice one very one of them. The best show for him and the rest of the band was definitely 1973.06.03 (Three days after) The 2nd leg began with 2 shows in Chicago and saw Plant in a bad shape. He got better a few nights after this (Milwaukee, Detroit) and then again worse (Seattle) and finally on 1973.07.21 he entered his peak of the year which lasted until the end of the tour. Give me July 1973 (keep Chicago) over March 1973 any day. Speaking about the much rumoured surgery - well I think there definitely was one. How else would you explain the drastic change of the tone and range? Starting from 1975 his voice wasn't raspy anymore (well it was in January and February due to the flu, but it wasn't the same kind of raspiness). The sound of the voice was much stronger in the range he was left with (which was very limited). In 1973 he could still hit some really high notes every once in a while but after this throat operation it seems that the last remains of his high range were chopped off. Maybe the operation was partly successful and they could have saved the range a bit (so it was the same as 1973) and only fix the raspiness and weakness. That would have still been okay because then he could sing WLL without straining, The Ocean, end of Stairway. His 1975 voice was simply too low for the old war horses. Of course by March he got better and the second Seattle show is his as well as the rest of the band's best night of the tour. You would think that the bad days were over but no. By the time the Earl's Court shows were happening his voice was again a mess. How does he do that ? 1977 is still sort of an unexplored land for me. So far I've only listened to Eddie,Badgeholders, one of the MSG shows and the second night in Cleveland. All of these shows were better than any of the 1975 ones vocally. 1979 - hmm, only bits and pieces from Knebworth and the second warm-up show. Can't say I like the tone of his voice. Seems like an old man. 1980 - judging by what I've heard from this tour let me say that IMO there's almost no Zep in those shows. It is a real pity that along with his high range went his normal singing voice which was very good and at least to these ears it seemed that a lot of work had been put into it. I don't think Plant's high range singing was stupid screaming like Tyler's, that singer's from Guns n Roses. I don't even understand how they can be compared. Sorry, I know close to nothing about either of the surviving members' solo work.
  10. RnR wasn't played at Montreux 1971.08.07. I agree that in 73 - 75 not only Plant's vocals were lower and poorly sung but they played it too slow. The same with 73' Stairways. 07.17 comes to mind. It's so slow they almost stop.
  11. Don't think for a minute it was age. It was everything. If you listen to boots from 1970 you may notice that on the winter and spring tours he still has that fat powerful 1969 tone but you don't hear him going for high Gs and As too often. After this they took a ~2 month break and the new Percy voice made its debut (first available recording is Bath). The ''Valhalla'' tone if you like. Some people seem to believe he just ''changed'' his style. I can tell you - one does not simply change the tone of his voice just like that. It actually became thinner from all that touring they did and this new tone is the voice he is best known for (LZIII and IV). The outstanding Fall 1970 US tour followed where this new voice was showcased and Plant demonstrated amazing consistency. Virtually every show was vocally superb and his voice seemed even louder ,more powerful than ever before. I have only heard 2 times when his voice cracked on this tour. 1971 kicked off with 2 Irish shows and it is immediately clear that Robert's voice not in the same form as 6 months before. It's still powerful as hell on the 1st show (Just listen to Black Dog and SIBLY),a very aggressive performance by the whole band, one of my favourites. However the next gig in Dublin shows that Plant's pushing too hard. It is well known fact that one show on that tour was canceled because Plant contracted laryngitis. BBC concert was postponed for the same reason. Even after a week's rest his voice stil sounds kind of damaged. Of course Plant didn't do much to spare his voice either. I think that this tour produced the damage that manifested itself on the following US tour where he ''lost'' his voice on the 3rd (2nd ?) show of the tour. Sure, he recovered well after the BBC concert but (at least to me) a little bit of power in the tone had gone. And after the famous LA 1971.09.21. gig it was a long way down until Sheffield.
  12. I've been into Zep boots and other stuff for under a year and I only found this gem a few weeks ago. Funny.
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