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Exciting times back then! I remember when those first surfaced.
The original releases of Long Beach
scans from Zeppelinart.com
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3 hours ago, Succubus Mythgem said:Regarding the new official version of “Sunshine Woman” and that annoying glitch at 0:55…Warner clearly didn’t use the best available source.Here is a little investigation conducted over the last few days to support that statement…The sourcesFirst of all, let’s present the four different versions that were used for this investigation:Version AThis version was taken from a 2006 Empress Valley release called Led Zeppelin – The Complete British Broadcasting Corporation Radio Sessions; probably zero mastering effort on this version; a lot of noise above 7k; sounds 100% like a flat transfer; this version does NOT have the glitch around 0:55. Empress Valley claim that they obtained this transfer from an “aircheck master” that was taped from a shortwave broadcast. That claim sounds perfectly plausible. This is a full-length version of the song and, as with every other version here, there is practically no music above 7k due to the limits of the technology used for the original broadcast.Version BThis version was found on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWEqOtYQyUQ. It was originally uploaded on June 1, 2010. This version shares the same analogue-to-digital transfer as Version A, as they both stay perfectly synchronized until the end when played simultaneously in a digital multitrack session; EQ has been drastically modified (for the better), with the huge amount of noise above 7k totally removed; however, a continuous and constant interference noise located around 11.1k makes its appearance on this version. Wisely, a little more than one second of silence (with tape hiss) has been edited out from the very beginning of the digital track. The dynamic range value is the same for both versions (DR 8) with only a slight variation of 0.03—let's say untouched. The glitch IS THERE at 0:55, and the end of the song has been abruptly chopped off without any fadeout! Therefore, approximately 1.5 seconds of music is missing, mainly harmonica and drums. Overall, this version sounds better than Version A, thanks to the EQ. In fact, I strongly believe that this version (Version is nothing more than a tweaked version of Version A.
Version CThis version is the new 2016 official release from Warner. It sounds exactly like Version B: very similar EQ choices (almost untouched); same analogue-to-digital transfer as Version A and Version B; no significant change in the DR value—and yes, the audible glitch IS THERE at the very beginning of 0:55. As with Version B, the last 1.5 seconds of music at the end is missing, but Warner has applied what I would call “a not very smooth fade-out” to hide the abrupt ending heard in Version B. The continuous interference located around 11.1k in Version B is still there, but to be honest, it is present at a very low volume, and is totally inaudible unless you isolate the frequencies. But because it was a crucial element in demonstrating the connection between Version C and Version B, it has its importance in this investigation.Version DA brand new mastering that I made myself, using Version A as a master and Version B as a direct reference. The result? I was able to recreate a version that sounds exactly like Version B and Version C, but without the annoying glitch at 0:55; without losing the last 1.5 seconds of music; and without having to apply an unorthodox fade-out to hide the abrupt cut, as Warner had to do on the new release. No interference has been introduced at 11.1k, and it took me 10 minutes to complete the entire process.The masteringHere are the EQ changes that need to be applied to the Empress Valley version (Version A) to achieve the sound of Version B and Version C:
ConclusionIt is now clear to me that the new official version from Warner (Version C) was created from a previously altered source that was encoded at least six years ago (Version B): a source that is nothing more than a tweaked version of the same analogue-to-digital transfer used by Empress Valley four years earlier in 2006, but with the addition of an unwanted and audible glitch at 0:55, and that is missing 1.5 seconds of music at the end of the recording.Unanswered questionsDoes the CD version or lossless file that was used to encode Version B contain the same glitch at 0:55, or is it “exclusive” to this specific YouTube upload? The glitch is somehow reminiscent of the sound that results from a digital error generated when something goes wrong in the encoding process of an MP3. I don't want to say that MP3 encoding is definitely the source of the glitch, but that’s what it sounds like to me.And what about the 1.5 seconds of music missing at the end? Is this edited ending present anywhere else than on the 2010 YouTube version or on the new official release?As a fan and as a customer who pre-ordered the new release, I would be very disappointed to learn that the official product was sourced directly from a 2010 YouTube upload, while at the same time, an unaltered, undamaged version of the same digital transfer (Empress Valley) was very easy to find (and it still is) in lossless format on the internet. Sadly, once you’ve heard the glitch or the comparison with the inappropriate fade-out, it’s like a curse... It will keep distracting you and it will tarnish the playback experience of the track.I think that Warner should act immediately and at least replace the file for the official online distribution of the new BBC Sessions release. It would be a very easy thing to do, and honestly, I think it has to be done.This song might be the last original creation from Led Zeppelin’s catalogue to see an official release; it is therefore of historical value and does not deserve a defective production.SM
Thanks for the analysis. It's a shame if the best version wasn't used for the official release.
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2 hours ago, thozil said:
Wow! I can't believe it...new Yardbirds footage! Chaville France, April 30, 1967. Amazing, thanks for posting that.
It's been taken down already?
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for those in the UK-
Hear Led Zeppelin's previously unreleased Sunshine Woman
Next month sees the release of Led Zeppelin’s complete BBC sessions, and we’ve got this rarity from their 1969 ‘lost session’ for you
Thursday 25 August 2016“There’s no point pretending it wasn’t recorded off the radio,” Jimmy Page old Mojo of Sunshine Woman, the previously unreleased Led Zeppelin track we’re premiering today. And indeed there isn’t. This is very much the sound familiar to those who spent their evenings poised over the pause button, searching for a stable signal. It’s muddy, imprecise and a far cry from the sonic clarity one associates with Zeppelin. But, still, it’s an unreleased song, from a lost BBC session, previously available only on bootlegs.
Jimmy Page and Robert Plant: how we made Led Zeppelin III
Read moreThis recording is one of the new tracks added to the remastered reissue of the band’s album of BBC session recordings, released on 16 September as The Complete BBC Sessions, in the usual array of formats (CD, vinyl, knobs-and-whistles-laden box). And it comes from a session recorded for Alexis Korner’s World Service show in March 1969. Sunshine Woman, Page told Mojo, “was basically made up on the spot. It was pretty brave, bearing in mind the circumstances. We played it as if we were in rehearsals, starting it around the riff and then working it out. It shows that we were evolving pretty quickly.”
The tape of that session disappeared, and so it has only existed as a poor-quality bootleg. This version, Page insists, is the best recording you will ever find of what might be the last previously unheard complete Zeppelin song to get an official release. Have a listen, and tell us what you think.
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On 7/25/2016 at 5:52 PM, bcarter690 said:
I believe I can add one more Perth photo
That's just a cropped version of the first b&w one posted earlier, not a different photo.
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https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/jul/19/led-zeppelin-complete-bbc-sessions-compilation
Led Zeppelin to release expanded version of their BBC Sessions compilation
New edition includes a lost session featuring a song that has never featured on an official Zeppelin release
Led Zeppelin … Box set bonanza. Photograph: Dick Barnatt/RedfernsJust when you thought your bank account and shelves were safe, Led Zeppelin have announced another mammoth deluxe reissue, following the complete remastering of their Atlantic Records catalogue over the last few years. This time it’s The Complete BBC Sessions, an upgrade on the BBC Sessions album released in 1997.
The unique selling point this time is a third disc, featuring eight previously unrecorded recordings, including a “lost session” the BBC had wiped from its archive – the version of that session comes from a fan’s radio recording.
That session includes one Zeppelin song unavailable in any form on any other release, Sunshine Woman (though, naturally, you can hear it in seconds if you search YouTube), which was recorded for Alexis Korner’s Rhythm and Blues programme on the BBC World Service on 19 March 1969.
All the sessions were recorded between 1969 and 1971, and feature songs dating up to the fourth Zeppelin album, including a version of Stairway to Heaven recorded on 1 April 1971.
Naturally, there is no ordinary edition of the set. The entry-level version is a 3CD or 5LP “deluxe edition”. Those willing to mortgage their houses or sell one of their children’s kidneys can go for the super deluxe box set, with both vinyl and CDs and the additional baubles – a book, a print, a download code.
The full CD tracklisting is:
Disc One
1. You Shook Me
2. I Can’t Quit You Baby
3. Communication Breakdown
4. Dazed and Confused
5. The Girl I Love She Got Long Black Wavy Hair
6. What Is and What Should Never Be
7. Communication Breakdown
8. Travelling Riverside Blues
9. Whole Lotta Love
10. Somethin’ Else
11. Communication Breakdown
12. I Can’t Quit You Baby
13. You Shook Me
14. How Many More Times
Stairway to Heaven: the story of a song and its legacy
Read moreDisc Two
1. Immigrant Song
2. Heartbreaker
3. Since I’ve Been Loving You
4. Black Dog
5. Dazed and Confused
6. Stairway to Heaven
7. Going to California
8. That’s the Way
9. Whole Lotta Love (Medley: Boogie Chillun/Fixin’ to Die/That’s Alright Mama/A Mess of Blues)
10. Thank YouDisc Three
1. Communication Breakdown*
2. What Is and What Should Never Be*
3. Dazed and Confused *
4. White Summer
5. What Is and What Should Never Be*
6. Communication Breakdown*
7. I Can’t Quit You Baby*
8. You Shook Me*
9. Sunshine Woman** previously unreleased
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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/ozzy-osbourne-led-zep-trial-was-waste-of-f--king-time
Ozzy Osbourne: Led Zeppelin Trial Was 'Waste of F--king Time'
"That group is fucking phenomenal," Black Sabbath singer says. "Why would they rip anybody off?"
Ozzy Osbourne cannot believe that Led Zeppelin had to defend themselves in court last month, when a man representing the group Spirit alleged they'd ripped off that band's instrumental "Taurus" to write "Stairway to Heaven.""It's fucking crazy, actually," the Black Sabbath singer tells Rolling Stone as part of an interview that will publish in full in the future. "That should have never gone to court. I heard the original thing, and there's just a slight similarity. It's like saying any fucking song with that kind of a guitar on it is a rip-off. It's not fair. There's only so many fucking notes on a guitar, and it wasn't that much like 'Stairway to Heaven.' I'm amazed it lasted so fucking long, you know?"
"You listen to 'All Right Now' by Free and you listen to Steve Miller's 'Rock'n Me,' and it's exactly the same riff and they haven't sued each other," he continues. "It's exactly the same."
After a weeklong trial, the jury ultimately sided with Led Zeppelin in the case, which dated back to a 2014 filing. The Black Sabbath singer can't believe it lasted as long as it did. "I've met John Bonham; I've met all of them," he says. "That group is fucking phenomenal. What do they need a fucking songwriter for? Why would they rip anybody off? It's just a waste of fucking time. I'm really surprised it went to court. It's fucking crazy.
"They don't deserve it," he continues. "It's like, do you honestly think they'll sit there and go, 'Oh, we'll steal this and change it a bit like this so it sells.' Fuck. Give me a break. The song that was played was kind of a bit similar but it was only the chord sequence."
Osbourne, a native of Birmingham, England, knew Led Zeppelin's members casually before they were famous, as some of them lived there in the late Sixties. "We were friendly with John Bonham and Robert Plant," he says. "Robert's a great singer. He's one of the greats. He was very influential on a lot of singers in his day. I haven't seen Robert for a long time. I hope he's all right."
Even after both bands made it onto the charts, they continued to hang out, with Bonham occasionally asking to sit in on Bill Ward's drums early on. Classic Rock reports that in 1975, Led Zeppelin joined Sabbath in the studio during their Sabotage sessions for a jam on Sabbath's "Supernaut."
When Rolling Stone asks Osbourne about the jam, he says he can still picture it. "Jimmy Page wasn't there, but John Paul Jones, Robert Plant and John Bonham were there," he says. "And we just had a jam. It was all right. It was just a jam."
It was just all right? "I just jammed out, you know?" Osbourne says. "I can't think back on it now, like, 'Whoa, we just jammed with Zeppelin.' It's just what we did. We were all stoned anyway."
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New Robert Plant interview translated with Google from Spanish publication
Robert Plant: "Demand for plagiarism was an incredible waste of time"Even in shorts it looks like a gentleman. Robert Plant arrives with The New York Times in hand and without a trace of hangover after the brutal actions of the previous night. 10.30 am and awake, as evidenced by his eyes that haunt every woman who moves through the pool of your hotel in Cascais. Robert Plant (1948, England) feels a survivor of an era in which the probable, in its profession, he was cracking. At nearly 68 years in August- meets-the singer and lyricist of the group Led Zeppelin (1968-1980) is on the road at your pace. Since the segregation of Led Zeppelin, he has worked with guitarist own group, Jimmy Page (1994-1998), with country singer Alison Krauss (2007-08) and with various bands. Since 2012 Sensational Space Shifters accompanies him with whom acts on Thursday 14 July in Madrid in programming d and Botanical Nights , "colliding" the hard sound of his legendary group with African music and Mississippi.
Question. A rock star wakes up at 10 am!
Answer. Actually times are changing. Modern heroes must always active. If you want to keep working on these days in the music suffers many changes, many innovations have to be awake, very careful, and you have to love this world. It's not like in the 70s in Los Angeles, at all.
Q. The time of his great success with Led Zeppelin?
A. Yes, but also with dramatic experiences. I had a very serious car accident; I lost a son five years ... I was not hung in Wonderland; I do not think you can hide from reality .. But suddenly you're more aware of your talent, what you can do and what not. I realized I could not be just a singer, it had to be something else to challenge me to myself. I do not expect anyone to do it for me.Q. Your voice, repeatedly selected as one of the best in the history of rock, remains intact. Do not tell me that honey taken before bedtime?
A. Of course. Honey, lemon and ginger every night. But I have a group that leaves me room to express myself and I leave them space to grow, so I can visit old songs and change from top to bottom. They are still amazing, but appear from a different angle, from another energy, and that makes it sing with this dynamism. When you get to a certain point in your life, you have to make sense of what you say. And you have to know it again with the same energy always you have to be credible. You have to catch people.P. Sixteen performances in eight countries in July alone. Too much for your body?
A. No, this is an easy tour. This is not the work of a hero, is the work of a pragmatist. If you take too long between a show and another, you lose motivation, rhythm, rush the proceedings. This is a quiet tour, but of course I am not a young man and I appreciate that.
Q. The current format of the festivals differs greatly from the unique performance for their fans. Is it more difficult to connect with the audience?
A. It is true that there are so many festivals where mixed groups, people often do not know that music. You have to understand who you ahead. You're like a magician who brings elements have on stage. Sensational Space Shifters with each playing his role.Q. Among the hard rock of Led Zeppelin and the sensitivity of Alice Krauss Raising Sand with several worlds. How you get to that transformation?
A. One day my sons told me: "Hey, Dad, you come to Ibiza?" And I said to them: "No, I'm going to Louisiana." My obsession is to find traces of the history of American music, Cajun music, type Bon Ton Roula, the last shadows of the black blues extraordinary that was done in the 40s and 50s, Carl Perkins, music of the Appalachian Mountains, and unite it with more contemporary sounds. You have a kind of keyboards Massive Attack and a guy playing a violin of one rope. Get a collision, you're not mixing pretty music that shit, it's an incredible collision.Q. What is your English side?
A. When I went to America, I drank that cup of Afro - American music, turned and left the English side, poor, old and exhausted England, with all its sins and follies. I left the afternoon tea, football and returned to launch this project with Sensational where mix everything.Q. A big jump in any case ...
A. Listen, I can do very different things and I can work anywhere in the world. You can not bring Alice Krauss to a massive festival and violin playing music, it would be dangerous. This is pure energy; but we work very well together. I like to sing with women.Every artist P. struggle between two opposing forces: keep doing what they ask their fans or venture into the unknown. How does it?
A. It is true. First of all is creativity; self-satisfaction is number one; the public is just a voyeur. You can look and stay with what you see or you can leave. An artist has to be honest, and powerful and you have to mix. I know, and it's very sad, many famous people telling me "Robert, you can do it, you're free. '" And it's true.Q. It was always free?
A. I have been free for the last 36 years [in 1980 seceded from Led Zeppelin], when I started to set my own rules.Q. Years ago he was a check for 200 million dollars to tour with Led Zeppelin and resigned; however he does not deny sing songs from his old group.
A. Of course, I did a good job in Led Zeppelin. I am Led Zeppelin, have sung, have written their letters ...Q. A few weeks ago, he was acquitted of plagiarism by the iconic Stairway to Heaven ...
A: It was crazy, insane, incredible waste of time. There are twelve fundamental notes in Western music, and you do to move them. We should not have reached the courts, but it was our song. I talked to Jimmy [Page, co-author of the song] and said, "Let's for them." If you do not defend your rights what are you going to do? You never imagine that this is going to happen. You sit on one side of the hill, towards the mountains, write music and after 45 years away with this. OMG!Q. How does Internet, piracy ...?
A. I do not care about piracy. It is part of what is making everything. I love the unknown and the Internet helps because you find things you will not hear on the radio or in the international media; dark, very nice, which you are going to not write because it is underground, and there began Led Zeppelin music. Piracy is not the end of the world.Q. But they do not pay?
R. Hehehe, I have already been paid. my pay is now feel good about what I do. Certainly for me, it's easy to say.http://cultura.elpais.com/cultura/2016/07/11/actualidad/1468256291_917851.html
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10 hours ago, luvlz2 said:
Lawyer Who Sued Led Zeppelin Suspended From Practicing Law
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/lawyer-who-sued-led-zeppelin-907780
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16 hours ago, AnotherNewMember said:
I haven't found much info about the trust, but these links indicate that at least some of the money is going in the right direction:
https://www.newwestsymphony.org/education/harmony-project.php
http://camarillo.macaronikid.com/article/911630/14th-annual-festival-of-talent-is-saturday-feb-28
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9 minutes ago, Balthazor said:
Do you have a link to that press conference? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
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Annoying TMZ reporter follows Plant at LAX yesterday
http://www.tmz.com/2016/06/23/robert-plant-lax-video-stairway-to-heaven-verdict/
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3 hours ago, Laura Zephead said:
Phones have been turned off.. Hopefully her next text will say "Dismissed!!"
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On 6/19/2016 at 0:38 AM, TheGreatOne said:
There has not been any sightings of Page & Plant wandering around LA ? Or seen eating at a restaurant ? It's understandable they best to be out of the spotlight or away from press till court is over.
Wondering what they doing ? Jamming out together in the hotel room; Plant has a harmonica and Page an acoustic jamming and eating Chinese takeout.
Page was reportedly doing some record shopping on Sunday in LA.
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/expert-testimony-begins-at-stairway-903824
Malofiy is nearing the end of his 10-hour time limit, so he'll likely finish Friday morning. There's a chance Anderson could move for a directed verdict and ask the judge to rule on the case instead of the jury, which happened last fall in the copyright fight over Jay-Z's "Big Pimpin'."
If that happens, Klausner's courtroom demeanor so far isn't a good sign for Malofiy. He has sustained more than 100 objections against the attorney and has repeatedly scolded him for wasting time on fruitless lines of questioning and technology troubles.
If that doesn't happen, Anderson has indicated he will call Page, Led Zeppelin member John Paul Jones and noted musicologist Lawrence Ferrara to testify — although some of them may have to wait until Monday to take the stand.
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Some updates from today's proceedings from reporter Pamela Chelin
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Good news story
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A courtroom sketch by Mona S. Edwards shows Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page in a downtown Los Angeles courtroom during the copyright trial over "Stairway to Heaven" on June 14, 2016.
is nothing more than a tweaked version of Version A.
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