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  1. Oh, I see. Yeah, I admit that you definitely have a point there. Wikipedia pages present themselves as accurate bastions of currently known info, so I suppose it is a bit irresponsible for the writer (or writers) not to make sure all the details are in order.
  2. And yet it appeared that way on the back of a live album; the citation wasn't based on whether or not this had been the Yardbirds' intentions, but rather as a mere reference to the version that the reader might've heard (or seen reference to in other prose about Zeppelin). It was an obvious copyright-infringement dodge, even if this was due to someone acting on behalf of the band, rather than the band members themselves. Nor did it say "fully." Perhaps you might've initially elaborated a bit more, to avoid coming off inaccurately (and quite arrogantly, although that probably wasn't your intention). "Bring It on Home" was recorded by Sonny Boy Williamson in 1963, and can be heard on the Chess Box, the album called His Best, and the various-artists compilation Led Astray. Robert Plant's very obviously copying Williamson's vocal delivery in the opening bit, rather than Dixon's (listen to both). I always considered it a tribute, rather than theft. A lot of people had heard Williamson's rendition, so there's not much chance the lads were trying to "sneak it by" anyone. They just forgot to credit Dixon, the writer (or thought it wasn't a large enough segment of the song to indicate copyright issues). Doesn't really matter; I'd rather hear Zeppelin's version than Williamson's somewhat pedestrian blues any day of the week. That goes for Jake Holmes' original version of "Dazed and Confused," vs. the highly superior rip-off on Zeppelin I. The whole point is my ears, not some courtroom.
  3. The Yardbirds' song called "I'm Confused" is right; and "Boogie With Stu" was indeed partially credited to Mrs. Valens, Ritchie's mother. The beginning of "Bring It on Home" is a deliberate send-up of Williamson's version, and most lyrics to "Whole Lotta Love" are identical to "You Need Love" by Willie Dixon (as recorded by Muddy Waters). It was blues tradition to use words from other songs; many bands at the time did it, and it didn't become an issue until this convention fell by the wayside and Zeppelin's popularity hadn't waned.
  4. Thanks! Although I have to admit, I'm surprised Jimmy didn't look at that symbol initially and think, "It looks like a word."
  5. Don't sweat it, Mz_Led, but thanks....I don't need defending. I disagree with him, but he should be able to say what he thinks without actually being called names. Freedom of speech and all that. If someone bugs you, then you were right the first time; just ignore it and let things slide. It's easy. (Besides, that's not true -- he's posted "useful" things before, if I'm using your word right. Cf. The Song Remains the Same threads.)
  6. You're friends with Aynsley Dunbar? Cool! (Fleetwood Mac only ever had Mick on drums, but he'd recently replaced Dunbar in the Bluesbreakers.)
  7. "Basic"? Wow. Deaf and a mere troublemaker. And now you're calling me a liar -- all stemming from a casual comment about Bonzo's ability to be subtle. You must not value your time very highly; trying to start arguments with musicians out of thin air reeks of some kind of compensation. Get a hobby or a therapist something. I'm done with you, kid; whine all you want. You've had your chance to learn.
  8. Are you a musician? Stating a fact isn't an insult. (Which was why I said I wasn't trying to be ego-boy, but I guess your reading comprehension didn't catch that.) I'm just assuming you are, since it's the only excuse for your unsolicited invective. For instance: "Name-dropping?" Mentioning quotes from documentaries? Now you're just trying to provoke. Are you that bored? Leave the arguments in MySpace or whatever you kiddies are into; come here for musical discussion. If you're genuinely interested, listen closely to the high-hat variation on the jazz-like "Bill Purdie shuffle" that's heard nearly all the way through "Fool in the Rain," the brushed snare work and contrast between the verses and loud bridge in "The Rain Song," the songs cited in the posts above, the off-time snare slightly accenting the between-verse riff in "Houses of the Holy," the counterpoint during the instrumental sections of "The Wanton Song," the double snare-hits toward the end of "Over the Hills and Far Away" where there was only one per measure before, the gradually increased snare-drum eighth notes in "Poor Tom," the shifting time signature that allows for the releases in "Four Sticks," the tom-toms taking the place of every other expected snare-hit during the "Hey, baby" section of "Black Dog," the gradually changing beat patterns that give "Hots on for Nowhere" its feel of building and building...I could go on, but if you're sincerely interested in learning how music works, these are great starting points.
  9. Cool narrative! Thanks for taking the time. I was only 5 in 1977, so I missed Zeppelin's gigs. I do appreciate the perspective, because those accounts are all that we just-slightly-younger people have to go on, in the interest of gleaning some context about Zeppelin's impact. (I know what you mean about the "hurry up" world that seemed to really get going in the early '80s.....maybe it's all Reagan's fault.)
  10. So I'm going to take half an hour to educate you in every single instance of Bonham's knack for enhancing songs with not-immediately-noticed additions? I'd rather save the time and not care what a teenager in a forum thinks of me. (No offense, kiddo.) You should listen to Zeppelin in the way that makes you happiest. This is a silly debate, because you're basically arguing against what millions of Zeppelin fans have known for many years. So just feel positive about the music you like and don't worry about Internet arguments.
  11. Damn...what a great show to have in your memory. I'm curious: Were you/was the crowd totally confused by Robert's constant inside-joking about "badge holders," or was it just assumed that he was being goofy for the amusement of the others?
  12. Look up "subtle." It doesn't mean "quiet." And yes, I know about all the little things Bonzo did -- not because of ego, but because I play the drums and I've been listening closely to the drums on Zeppelin records for decades. (Incidentally, John Paul Jones has talked about Bonzo's subtleties many times in interviews.)
  13. Well, I don't want to come off like ego-boy, or list the hundreds of instances of Bonzo's instinct for what not to play, or how to build something up dramatically without the listener being aware of how it's happening. We all have different ears. No sweat.
  14. Awesome; thanks for the explanations. It's good stuff to know.
  15. At least they didn't steal anything from Jake Holmes, Pentangle, Spirit, Willie Dixon, Bukka White, Robert Johnson, Bert Jansch, Eddie Cochran, Muddy Waters..... (I'm a bigger Zep fan than Kiss fan, but claiming that a band who wrote their own songs and worked hard to build their reputation -- whether one likes their music or not -- as "the biggest joke in rock & roll history" when we're surrounded by Disney-fied mannequins and unoriginal, musically bereft products of American Idol-type travesties is ludicrous. Not to mention all that derivative, hippy-dippy shit that continued to breed during the '70s alongside Kiss and Zeppelin.)
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