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I note that the band played in Boston on the 29th, but is listed here at Filmore East, any reason for the swap or is it yet another misinfo?
29 May 1969 Led Zeppelin, Woody Herman & His Orchestra, Delaney & Bonnie
30 May 1969 Led Zeppelin, Woody Herman & His Orchestra, Delaney & Bonnie
31 May 1969 Led Zeppelin, Woody Herman & His Orchestra, Delaney & Bonnie
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The original handbill for the May 1969 Fillmore East shows included 3 dates (May 29, 30, & 31). The Boston Tea Party contract dated 5/6/69 listed the three Boston dates as 5/26, 5/27/ & 5/28. The band ultimately revised the schedule to play just two dates (4 total shows) in NYC (5/30 & 5/31), and moved the beginning of their three-day stint in Boston back a day, and actually played Boston on 5/29.
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Oh come on. Pamela Des Barres is human and her recollections are not all inclusive nor infallible. The sole criteria for if a Led Zeppelin concert occured at the Ice Palace in Las Vegas circa Jul/Aug '69 is not if Pamela Des Barres recalls it having happened because odds are she wasn't there if it did, and Michael Chain's recollection of having been there is not the sole criteria used to confirm it. We are seeking substantiation beyond a reasonable doubt, as you know, and nothing
has been altered or declared a historical fact. I think you are merely frustrated and that's understandable.
This is especially true when you consider some of Pamela's recollections have been proven to be incorrect. For example, in one of her books, Pamela claimed the band had played the Whisky a Go Go on April 29-30, 1969 (according to her 1969 journal entry). Jimmy was very sick at the gig and had to be carried off by a roadie. It is painfully obvious that this date is wrong. It has been widely documented that the band played the Whisky on January 2nd-5th, and Jimmy had the flu. Needless to say, her date attribution was incorrect since the Whisky gigs were played in January, not April.
Not a big deal, but everyone makes mistakes, and Pamela is no exception.
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...."That night we had front row tables. It was the first time any of us had seen Elvis perform. And we weren't disappointed.
"perhaps the only dissatisfied person among us that night was John Paul, but it was good natured-despair. Before entering the showroom to see Elvis, we had spent a few minutes in the International's lounge, watching Ike and Tina Turner perform. .....
"He turned to his wife Mo"........
Richard Cole - STH'92 Page 96
This is night of August 11 (as mentioned by Ms.Pamela in both I'm with the Band and Take another Piece of my Heart, further Richard Cole STH states the same...
..August 12 date is not witnessed by Ms. Pamela...They all left and all came back the next day for sure to LA (as discussed before)...
John Paul Jones did witness I&TT but Zep cannot perform concert this date...Highly likely they come in contact with Vegas on July 31...
If there was concert this date Aug. 11/12, Richard would have remembered it likewise as they attend Elvis...
It is further my opinion after reading Page 95 from STH,
"The Zeppelin Wives joined us for a few days during that tour, including some of the shows in Las Vegas and other West Coast cities"that Vegas/West Coast Cities close by remain as a unit...L.A. is not part of this...
John Paul Jones recalls staying at the Caesar's Palace as reported by the Official Site previously...
Maureen Plant definitely attended the 8/9/69 Anaheim Convention Center show since there's a backstage photo of her with Robert and a monkey:
http://www.chuckboydsrocknrollphotos.com/Led%20Zepplin/pages/PSTF-005-035-LDZN.html
For many years this photo and other photos from the 8/9/69 Anaheim show were attributed to the 8/8/69 San Bernardino show (primarily originating from the "Photographer's Led Zeppelin" book). Also, Anaheim is essentially L.A. (just ask the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, or whatever they're calling themselves this year).
Billboard article mentions Tina playing the Casino Theatre of the International Hotel in Las Vegas in August 1969:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a361/AlbumZeppelin/Ikeandtina.jpg
Tina at the International Hotel in Las Vegas in August 1969:
http://www.vegasretro.com/entertainers/9_tina_turner2.html
http://www.vegasretro.com/entertainers/9_tina_turner_3.html
http://www.vegasretro.com/entertainers/9_tina_turner.html
I would probably include 8/7/69 as another potential date for the Las Vegas show. If the band actually played Berkeley on 8/7/69, how come there are no listings for this concert in the Berkeley Barb, Berkeley Monitor, Berkeley Tribe, Good Times (SF), and several other Berkeley/SF undeground newspapers I checked out. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they played the Berkeley Community Theatre on 8/7/69.
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The gig was definitely played at the St. Louis Arena. In Ratner's "Live Dreams" book he listed every Zeppelin concert he saw (and photographed) in person, including the 5/11/73 gig at the Arena:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a361/AlbumZeppelin/scan0010.jpg
The marquee photo is a definite match:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a361/AlbumZeppelin/slarena-edited.jpg
BTW, why would the arena advertise an antique show on the marquee 5 weeks before it was coming to the arena (if the marquee photo was taken on 4/15/77, as you suggested)? It makes so much more sense that the 5/18-5/20 antique show was advertised on the night of the 5/11/73 Zeppelin show.
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Another gem Blocoboy. The 18th has always been associated with the NY gig, due to press reports (i.e. here). Perhaps they didn't appear there afterall and started the tour in California?
There's plenty of evidence to suggest the alleged 4/18/69 NYU University date was never played.
Some examples:
This 4/18/69 press release states that they start their 2nd US Tour in SF on 4/24/69:
All of these articles indicate that the tour starts in SF on 4/24. In fact, Page mentions in the 4/12/69 edition of Record Mirror that they are headed back to the US on 4/20:
Other compelling evidence that this gig was not played:
- The 4/19/69 edition of Disc Magazine says that Led Zeppelin are to leave tomorrow (Friday, April 18th) for the USA.
- How could the band play NEW YORK CITY (!!!) and there not be a single piece of tangible evidence anywhere (New York Times, Village Voice, etc.)?
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Record Mirror 9/2/67:
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Elsewhere on this forum there's a thread discussing Tim Rose, and it lists 3 tourdates in July 1968 which perfectly match these 3 dates in May (i.e., Grimsby 7/19, Beckenham 7/20, Nottingham 7/21).
I think it's safe to say that those "July" dates are incorrect. Now we just need to figure out if Bonzo was touring with Tim Rose in May!
Interesting. More than likely, the original tour dates listed for May were incorrect. I found these ads which place the Grimsby and Beckenham shows on the same days in July (19th & 20th), as had been listed for May:
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Band of Joy split in March 1968. Tim Rose didn't return to the UK until June 1968. There is a 3 month gap there. It is quite likely Bonham must have been playing for some band between Band of Joy and Tim Rose.
Meg
I'm not sure if Bonzo was in the band at the time, but according to IT ads, Tim Rose also toured England in May 1968 as well. These ads have Tim Rose at Grimsby on 5/19, Beckenham on 5/20, and Nottingham on 5/21:
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Unresolved date for blocoboy:
My notes show that according to a recollection in the Dec 1994 issue of 'The Lemon Tree' fanzine, Robert took the train in from London and hurriedly dashed over to The Factory in Birmingham where John Bonham was set to perform with Tim Rose to ask him if he's interested in joining The New Yardbirds. If this date can be confirmed, it
may well establish exactly when he had gone to Jimmy's houseboat in Pangbourne. In 1988 interview with Chris Tetley, Robert said he grabbed a beat up old suitcase and went to Pangbourne about two weeks after their first meeting, staying the night before returning to Birmingham the next day. We've establish Page went to see Bonham perform on 7/31/68 so it must be sometime in July 1968, but the Lemon Tree fanzine reports it was Aug 4, 1968.
...mikezep61 previously inquired on this some time ago....
Steve, I believe the date was actually one day earlier, on August 3, 1968 (according to that Lemon Tree issue).
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Thanks Chris, so John also played in Uncle Joe, interesting. And a report Tim Rose's bass player was John Hill.
Meg
Meg,
The first time I read this I thought the same thing. But when I looked closer, it appears that Bonzo intended to play with "Uncle Joseph" AFTER he concluded his tour with Tim Rose. Needless to say, those intentions changed after Page saw Bonzo play with Rose at the Country Club on 7/31/68 and subsequently convinced him to join the band.
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Interesting follow up... in The Origin of the Species book by Adam Clayson, he states on page 73 that John Paul Jones used to play organ for Herbie Goin's and the Night Timers, to let off steam after his studio sessions. I wonder...
According to legend, didn't Robert expect JPJ to be some "bloke with a pipe" upon hearing that a session musician was the bass/organ player for Jimmy's new Yardbirds? If that's truly the case, then Robert could not have met JPJ before then.
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Here's an International Times ad for a 3/8/68 Alexis Korner gig:
On the same day Korner played that gig, Plant played with the Band of Joy. This date was already on the itinerary posted to this thread, but I don't believe the actual ad had been posted before:
I've also attached a scan of the question Ritchie Yorke asked Robert Plant about his pre-Zep days in the 4/11/70 NME. This was referred to a few posts back, but I figured I'd post the actual scan itself:
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Here's an International Times ad for a 3/8/68 Alexis Korner gig:
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I remember reading such a story, but can't remember where.
Must search for it again.If you look at the Robert Plant page of this early press release for the January 1969 Boston gigs, it mentions the first gig in Sweden (which would have been on 9/12/68 at the Grona Lund Amusement Park (Tivoli Garden):
http://ledzeppelin.com/lzprogrammes/69_boston.html
This same information was repeatedly used throughout press releases in 1969, including the January Fillmore East program:
http://www.ledzeppelin.com/lzprogrammes/69_fillmore_jan_programme.html
I've also read this story in various early newspaper articles (which were essentially glorified press releases).
Does it really matter if it happened? If it didn't, I have the give the PR machine some serious credit for coming up with an awesome tall tale!
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*As for the Hobstweedle setup that came about as far as I know when RP and the Band of Joy (RP,Bonham, Gammond,Lockey and Brown) split just before a gig at West Mids College of Education where I was training to be a teacher. Fellow students and I had lobbied the Entertainment Committee to book them (BOJ) and then to my dismay the split was sprung on us. However RP got some friends from Kidderminster Art College to fulfil the gig . They didn't go down too well with the students who were expecting The Band of Joy whose reputation had preceded them.Hobstweedle played heavy Blues. Unknown to me at the time, this was where Jimmy Page and Peter Grant came to check Rob out.
Steve: If you were to take this at face value, it sounds like the gig where Page & Grant saw Plant for the first time WAS at the West Midlands College of Education. That was what was originally thought, however, the gig was then thought to be played at the Shenstone Training College in Bromsgrove (based on interviews you mentioned). This is pretty compelling evidence that the West Midlands College attribution was correct (even if it really wasn't the "true" Obs Tweedle band).
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Mike, I'm always impressed with your contributions here and elsewhere.
Thanks Steve. It's pretty obvious we all share a similar passion!
Here's another interesting little tidbit I found (from 4/23/69):
It wasn't even open for two years yet and they were already dumping it! Ironically enough, Bob Eubanks of "The Newlywed Game" fame ended up promoting a lot of shows at the Ice Palace. Here's an article from 5/31/73:
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....ongoing thread otherwise...
Re: April 19, 1970 show...
I have done research through newspaperarchives.com and the Tucson Daily Citizen April 23, 1970 reports... fans kept from crashing the door to view the Led Zeppelin.....[/i]
(2) E-Mails from Las Vegas News Bureau:
At this point I have not been able to find any materials in our archives related to Led Zeppelin performing in Las Vegas during the dates you have given me. There is one lead that I will be searching is a rumor that Led Zeppelin was supposed to perform at the Las Vegas Convention Center but the concert was cancelled after the lead singers voice gave out. Apparently there was a near riot that ensued. If this was the case more than likely we will have some images. Again this was a rumor that will have to be confirmed.
Warm regards - Brian Paco...
Here's the article. It was in reference to the 4/18/70 show at the Arizona Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Phoenix:
Here are some ads, etc. for the 4/19/70 cancelled show:
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A little more background info on the Las Vegas Ice Palace:
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It's a good lead but as Chain said, Tell apparently booked concerts on the fly with little to no advance promotion.
Geez, not exactly a recipe for success, is it? After all, he was called a concert promoter!
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Given that Page had only just met Robert on the 20th, and asked him to come down, this date (28th) may have been a previous booking prior, since the time span is a week or less. Intriguing though. Was Robert considering leaving Obs-Tweedle to restart up BOJ prior to Jimmy meeting him? I hope the ad sheds more light.
Meg, I believe Blocoboy's research confirmed that Jimmy and Robert didn't meet on 7/20/68. He found an ad that showed that Obs-Tweedle played the Connaught Hotel in Wolverhampton on 7/20/68 (so it wasn't the "teacher training college near Birmingham" where Page saw Plant for the first time).
Blocoboy also dug up ads for 7/22, 7/27/ & (now) 7/28. All that being said, the basic premise of your comment is still true. Hopefully an ad will eventually be found for the gig that Page first saw Plant.
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The Las Cruces, New Mexico and Tucson papers had a weekly syndicated feature called the "Las Vegas Scene" which listed where all the "stars" were playing in Las Vegas. It lists a LOT of venues (Caesar's Palace, Dunes, Flamingo, Sands, Sahara, International, Thunderbird, Stardust, and many, many others). It also lists a lot of artists, but mainly typical Las Vegas "show" types. I have checked 1969 and have not seen any reference to the Zep gig. I'll keep digging.
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Ho Lee Shit! We are on the brink of a confirmation once again. Just got to get the ball across the goal line now.
Steve, that last yard is usually the toughest!
Postscript to story: The marriage lasted just 13 days and was annulled on July 9, 1970. Interestingly enough, Patti Duke had a baby boy named Sean who was born in February 1971. Though long-rumored to be the son of actor John Astin (Addams Family fame), DNA results proved Mike Tell was actually Sean Astin's biological father.
Sean Astin is also an actor and was the lead character in the movie "Rudy" and also acted in "Lord of the Rings," as well as many other roles.
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Good luck on that.
It's been through a few changes, uses and owners over the years. Even the main entrance from the street is a wall now and the building is now in the back of a shopping complex.
Here's a photo of the back of Ice Palace at the Intersection of Karen Avenue and State Street (from the outside of the Village Square Commercial Center):
Here's a photo of the entrance to the Ice Palace from inside the Village Square Commercial Center:
Here are a few photos of the inside of the Ice Palace:
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Led Zeppelin's flight from Seattle arrived LAX on 1/2/69 and they were booked into the Chateau Marmont on Sunset Blvd. My notes show Alice Cooper was the opening act for
four dates: 1/2,3,4,& 5 offering other leads. I show only the second set on 1/2/69 was cancelled (Jimmy having the fever of 104 degrees after traveling from frigid cold Seattle). In other words, they did perform each of the four nights but cut it short the
first night. I could be wrong (but this was a critical market/engagement for the band).
Insofar as having a few days between the 1/5/69 LA show and the 1/9 San Fran gig,
I show Jimmy, Robert, Bonzo and Pam were all at Thee Experience on the night of Sun,
1/5 but the band left on 1/6 for San Fran in a station wagon with Richard Cole driving.
It seems Jimmy may have gone to Catherine's despite not feeling well, but he did retain his room at the Chateau Marmont, substantiated by the Norwood Price visit.
I was really just trying to confirm that Pamela went to the Whisky shows in Hollywood in January 1969, not April 28th, as was recorded in her journal. Therefore, there's a possibility, however remote, that the woman in the photo watching Jimmy could have been her.
Must search for it again.
Pontiac Silverdome Footage
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For what it's worth, according to Billboard Magazine, "Mobile Tape Video" of Detroit was slated to record the 4/30/77 show. A man named Charles Newsome was the firm's president: