Absolutentonic
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"The son of Boundary will train at Churchill Downs for his Preakness preparations and is expected to arrive at Pimlico Wednesday, May 14 in Stall 40 of the stakes barn."
Can't wait to get a glimpse of this magnificent colt. It would be nice to see him win the TC.
The death of Eight Belles is surely a tragic event that every one involved in racing (fans, jockeys, handlers, trainers or owners) is heartbroken about. PETA just adds insult to injury with their fallacious claims about animal abuse. This was freak accident that no one could have prevented or predicted.
The "bridge jumpers" will be out in force. Ecpect to get $2.10 return on every two dollars you wager on Big Brown. Not worth the risk of hammering him. You wont make shit and you run the risk of getting burned big time if there is an accident. I hope nothing goes wrong. If all is ok, he wins this race for fun.
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What is it man? I'm curious.
As fas as I go, I am getting closer and closer to being done. Unfortunately, most of you will see the DRUNK for last time in the upcoming months.
What do you mean? Are you ill?
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Wow, what a fab idea. Screw horse racing! Lets line up with our fancy hats and bet on the great Rat race!
Really though, I used to love watching the races, but lately I've become pissed off the way humans treat some animals. IMHO those greyhound races should be banned. The poor guys have to be adopted out or killed after they lose their $$ value.
I'm getting incredibly "soft" in my old age.
Some are going way overboard on this. These horses have been put out to pasture after their careers are over and been very well treated. Sure there are assholes that dont treat animals the way they should. After Katrina hit New Orleans I was very upset to see the dogs and cats with no homes. I immediatly sent a donation to Noahs Ark and the Humane Society, just to give you some background on how I feel about animals. But Horse racing is not a bad thing. What happened at the Kentucky Derby on Saturday is a rare thing. It sucks. But to try and bann the sport like some would is fucking ridiculaous and will NEVER happen.
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As I understand it, horses have evolved for running and are competitive against each other naturally - especially at a young age. Do they really need jockeys to steer or whip them in order to run a race? Jockeys are relatively light, but must put pressure and imbalance on the horses legs. If greyhounds can race uncumbered, why not horses?
You are kidding right? Well lets bet on turtles, and frogs and mice. How are you going to stop the horses, with tranquilizer rifles?? Did you ever see a greyhound race? The dogs and slam into each other and all that matters is which one crosses the finish line first. No disqualifications for interference like in horse racing. It is not doable if you are serious about the horses.
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Best of luck to both of you... and I'm glad you get to enjoy such a friend.
The age horses are raced at is much too young IMO as well. Run a horse as a two year old and they retire from racing at age 5 or so. A lot of horses (non-racing ones anyway) are just reaching their prime at that age. Most non-racing horses aren't even trained for riding until they're two... or three.
I think a lot of injuries are due to cumulative stress/injury. I think they're pushed too far, too fast.
I think of it like some of the Olympic athletes we have. Some of the sports have very young contestants... 16 year old, sometimes even 13-14 year old gymnasts and skaters, etc... so you know they started at much younger ages than that... and they're retired by the time they hit their twenties.
I didn't hear yet exactly what happened, but I did see some of the footage briefly... and I don't care to watch it again.
I understand what you're saying about PETA and I agree with some of it. They ARE extreme and I don't agree with some of their stances or their way of bringing attention to it. However, as extreme as they are, and regardless of their credibility, they do bring things to the public's attention. As a result, some folks start looking at the issues raised and sometimes things get changed. Turning lab animals loose that have never been 'free' can be really foolish and ironically dangerous for the lab animals... BUT the way lab animals are obtained, treated during their 'careers', discarded afterwards, etc. have been changed as a result.
(But then, I tend to think that 'radical fringe groups' serve a very valuable purpose... and that is to get attention placed upon issues that otherwise aren't considered, or maybe even known. Sometimes that is what it takes. I often don't think the radical 'solutions' these groups come up with are practical or appropriate... but the change that does result may very well not come about without the radical fringe element making a lot of noise about the issue at hand.
Even the expert trainers are baffled by this injury. The drf.com (Daily Racing Form) is the best place for info. Many have never seen anything like this. A horse break down after the wire like this. It is very strange. But the stats are this, less than 1 out of every thousand that run get injured or have to be put down. I am a frequent horse player and Ill tell you, it only seems to happen lately on these big races. Which is a black eye for the sport. But to think its like dog fighting or cock fighting is just plain ridiculous. It is the "sport of kings".
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I hate when somebody implies that something is rigged, but if only a few of the top horses compete in the Belmont, the sports writers are going to have a field day comparing Big brown to every other triple crown winner, because the lack of competition.
His final times in the races may undue some of the criticism if they are good enough. But hell, the immortalized Secretariat who holds many track records to this day, didnt have to face 19 horses and deal with traffic problems. the great Cigar is unrespected by some because he wasnt a champion til later on. He was a hell of a horse that won I believe 16 in a row and did it all over the place. Even in Dubai. If Big Brown wins, I think he will get respect. The horses that pulled out of the Preakness may return for the marathon Belmont. (some of them that are bred for distance and are deep closers). I dont think it will matter though. I think we have a winner finally.
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I will be surprise if big brown dos not win the triple crown. only one horse besides brown from the derby will race in the Preakness, I'm thinking things will be done so big brown will win the triple crown for the sake of the sport.
Barboroo and Eight bells were in the same blood line and both suffered ankle problems. Brown will race in the breeders if he wins the triple crown because his value as a stud will not decrease if he loses.
the UPS truck just pulled up to my house and Big brown the horse is named after UPS.
Yes indeed. But I hope you arent implying they are going to hand it to him on a silver platter? They backed out because it is a shorter race than the Derby and they know their horses cant beat him at that distance. Ill bet that Gayago and Court Vision show up for the Belmont. If he wins it he deserves it as no horse has done it in 30 yrs. That said, Afleet Alex should have won, and only traffic problems kept him from winning. Remember him? The horse that almost fell on the turn in the Belmont and still won the race. Big Brown should win it if no bad luck occurs.
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Go Seabiscuit!
Great movie. But like Cigar, Seabiscuit didnt blossom as a 3 yr old. Great older horses they were. I am wondering what the connections of Big Brown will do if and when he wins the Triple Crown for the first time in 30 yrs. Do you retire him to stud or run him one more time in the Breeders Cup $4 million dollar classic??? Tough choice they will have if he gets it done and I believe he will.
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It happens frequently enough without anyone doing much to stop it, that an awful lot of people must think it's just business as usual, yes. Apparently it only really sucks when the news cameras catch it. What a bummer for the business it happened that way two years in a row...
Eight Belles came up on the outside right near Big Brown and was closest to him at the finish, even though she was a smaller horse who was a few strides from a life-ending catastrophic injury. In different circumstances it would've been a very interesting match up, for sure. Of course, she's dead, so we'll never know.
I feel as bad as everyone that this horse had to be put down. All I am saying is that it is not intended. And if you had a match race with that philly against Big Brown, where he wouldnt have to spot the field many lengths because of being placed in the auxilliary gate, no contest. He is by far the best horse. the only horse that is in his league is Colonel John and perhaps Gayago. But Colonel John came from the poly, and raced for the first time on dirt. Ill give him that excuse and Ill have to look at the form to see what kind of trip he had. I do agree that 20 is too many. They need to make the standards tougher and not allow so many in. I wonder what Secretariat would have done from the auxilliary gate? I dont know whey the trainer for Colonel John didnt try and get J Valesquez or Gomez. I wouldnt give Nakatani another chance to screw up a great horse. He sucks.
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[quote Well there is talk that they are investigating the jockey. But if they are going to investigate, they should investigate the trainer. To think that this horse would have beaten Big Brown is crazy. Hell, he drew post 20 and destroyed the field. He will win the preakness for fun. Do you really think that anyone wants this to happen to a horse in this business?/ If you do you are dead wrong.
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You can watch the race here: http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2008/
Big Brown looks like he is for real. It would be nice to see him capture the Triple Crown. I'm going to try sneak over to Pimilico and hopefully see him work out one day.
To me he is a lock in the Preakness. The question is always the Belmont. I think at least 4 or 5 have won the first two in the last 30 yrs and failed to win the Belmont. this time I believe it will be differant. The only two horses that could make a late run in the Belmont and make trouble for him will be Colonel John (and why did they put Nakatani on a great horse-dont get it?) or Gayego, has the later running style and just maybe Court Vision. But I like Big Browns chances-alot.
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I remember when Secretariat did it in '73, right ?
Yes indeed. And there were three in the seventies. Secretariat, Affirmed and Seattle Slew. hasnt happened since 1978. Several times horses have won the first two only to lose the Belmont. this Big Brown is a Monster. I think he will get the job done.
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As usual a horse had to be put down again.
Makes me sick!
They should drug test them, due to so much corruption in horse racing. Scary.
It is very sad. But the horses are very well treated. Treated better than the jockeys. It doesnt happen often. It just gives the sport a black eye when it happens in such a big race witnessed by so many. You may watch racing for a year and not see this. But unfortunatley it happened two years in a row in Triple Crown. Big Brown is going to break the thirty year hex.
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Wow! You guessed her Chester! How much did you win?
I hit the two day Oaks Derby DD. And had the trifecta in the race, two before the Derby. Won at Belmont today. The thirty year wait for a Triple Crown winner I believe is over,. I dont think anything will stop this horse from winning the Triple Crown. He is a cinch in two weeks in the Preakness. Cinch.
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My girlfriend is betting win and show for Pyro.
Well good luck to you. I am betting against Pyro. I like Colonel John and Big Brown. If either wins, I win. Enjoy! This is a day that I always look forward to.
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Charismatic (1999) & Thunder Gulch (1995) both started from post 16 so it's possible to win from out there. At least there's a good distance to run before the turn, so if your horse has some early foot you can get a decent position by that point and not be caught too far outside. Still, the auxilliary gate is nobody's choice.
With 4 choices left in the draw, the braintrust behind Big Brown, the favorite in the Kentucky Derby, only a few hrs away, has chosen post 20-the auxilliary gate. They believe he can clear and control the pace. I am boxing him with Colonel John and using the 19, 4, 6, and 11 in tris. For those that dont like or never watch racing, I suggest to tune in for the "most exciting two minutes in sports". It is truly a great american tradition. Just go easy on the Mint Juleps. Good luck to all the players.
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Nothing. Unless it's old, wrinkled, rooster headed, stinky, stretched out - overUSED kack !!!
Fuck that !
Just have a few more coctails my man and it all looks the same.
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Marshall Tucker Band will be playing in my area soon. Wonder how they are now? Or how many original members that are left???
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Here Comes the Sun
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Duke Jupiter
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Just anwering on the who has the most Guitar credit . Steve Gaines was a great addition to Skynyrd but He only played on a couple of albums as far as I know the live lp One more from the Road and the Freebird movie soundtrack His only studio recordings were on Street Survivor.
So most of the Skynyrd Sound as far as Guitar goes is from Collins,Rossington,and King gotta love em all.
I must have always been misinformed as I thought Gaines played the slide guitar on "Free Bird"?? Guess not. Just imagine what they may have accomplished if not for one terrible day.
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Johnny Van Zant is the lead singer for Lynyrd Skynyrd and has been since they reunited for the Tribute Tour in 1987 ten years after the plane crash. Ronnie Van Zant wasn't the only one to die in the plane crash. Steve Gaines and his sister Cassie Gaines also died (along with their manager Dean Kilpatrick and both pilots). They apparently went through some ideas for other names for the band once they decided to regroup but stuck with Lynyrd Skynyrd. There's also a lot of legal things tied in with their use of the name that is far too much to go into here (that info is readily available online if you wish to know more).
In regards to Led Zeppelin carrying on under that name without John Bonham, it goes against the press release they put out after Bonham's death but Lynyrd Skynyrd also said they didn't see the band continuing without Van Zant. Many, many bands have carried on without key members but very few (if any) of them are as good as their original incarnations.
Thanks for the info. And lets not forget the Who going on without Moon AND now Entwistle. That is far more to accept than what Zeppelin has done. And they only really did it twice. Live aid and O2. And I hope next year.
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.38 Special are still around. Allen Collins was never a member but .38 Special bassist Larry Junstrom played on Skynyrd's first album (Skynyrd's First not to be confused with Pronounced Leh-nerd Skin-nerd) (along with Medlocke). However, when Rossington and Collins formed The Rossington-Collins Band they recruited Dale Krantz from .38 Special on the strength of her background vocals.
So would I be correct to say that Van Zhantds brother would be the singer for the now "Lynrrd Skynrrd"??. I still dont think it is right to call them that out of respect for the departed. Its differant with Led Zeppelin in my opinion because they lost only one member, the drummer. And in my opinion the best drummer to ever walk the Earth but you still have the lead singer and guitarist. and to me they are not replacable in regards to the sound of the band. Im sure some will jump in here and say how that is not a fair statement, but I took music and play, so Im not brain dead on the subject. Van Zhandts brother can do a hell of a job and sound pretty much the same I think. Who in the world sounds like Plant? Nobody. I always wondered who really should get the most credit on guitar for Skynnrd. Steven Gaines? Or not?
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Allen Collins passed away on January 23, 1990. Rickey Medlocke of Blackfoot was in Skynyrd very briefly but has never been considered a founding member of the band. The only original members left at this point are Gary Rossington and Billy Powell. If you have never seen Skynyrd I would recommend seeing them while you still can. I never got to see the original (pre-crash) version of the band but did get to see the Tribute Tour and several other shows after that. All I'm saying is, I'd never confuse them with the Ronnie Van Zant-era Skynyrd.
How stupid of me. I thought Id heard that before (about Collins). That sucks. Im sure it will be good. I loved the brief time 38 special was around. didnt Collins play with them???
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What is wrong dud? And what about Drunk. Hate to see anyone facing death. Have seen to many of my friends die young.