What is wrong dud? And what about Drunk. Hate to see anyone facing death. Have seen to many of my friends die young.

The "bridge jumpers" will be out in force. Ecpect to get $2.10 return on every two dollars you wager on Big Brown. Not worth the risk of hammering him. You wont make shit and you run the risk of getting burned big time if there is an accident. I hope nothing goes wrong. If all is ok, he wins this race for fun.

What do you mean? Are you ill?

Some are going way overboard on this. These horses have been put out to pasture after their careers are over and been very well treated. Sure there are assholes that dont treat animals the way they should. After Katrina hit New Orleans I was very upset to see the dogs and cats with no homes. I immediatly sent a donation to Noahs Ark and the Humane Society, just to give you some background on how I feel about animals. But Horse racing is not a bad thing. What happened at the Kentucky Derby on Saturday is a rare thing. It sucks. But to try and bann the sport like some would is fucking ridiculaous and will NEVER happen.

You are kidding right? Well lets bet on turtles, and frogs and mice. How are you going to stop the horses, with tranquilizer rifles?? Did you ever see a greyhound race? The dogs and slam into each other and all that matters is which one crosses the finish line first. No disqualifications for interference like in horse racing. It is not doable if you are serious about the horses.

Even the expert trainers are baffled by this injury. The drf.com (Daily Racing Form) is the best place for info. Many have never seen anything like this. A horse break down after the wire like this. It is very strange. But the stats are this, less than 1 out of every thousand that run get injured or have to be put down. I am a frequent horse player and Ill tell you, it only seems to happen lately on these big races. Which is a black eye for the sport. But to think its like dog fighting or cock fighting is just plain ridiculous. It is the "sport of kings".

His final times in the races may undue some of the criticism if they are good enough. But hell, the immortalized Secretariat who holds many track records to this day, didnt have to face 19 horses and deal with traffic problems. the great Cigar is unrespected by some because he wasnt a champion til later on. He was a hell of a horse that won I believe 16 in a row and did it all over the place. Even in Dubai. If Big Brown wins, I think he will get respect. The horses that pulled out of the Preakness may return for the marathon Belmont. (some of them that are bred for distance and are deep closers). I dont think it will matter though. I think we have a winner finally.

Yes indeed. But I hope you arent implying they are going to hand it to him on a silver platter? They backed out because it is a shorter race than the Derby and they know their horses cant beat him at that distance. Ill bet that Gayago and Court Vision show up for the Belmont. If he wins it he deserves it as no horse has done it in 30 yrs. That said, Afleet Alex should have won, and only traffic problems kept him from winning. Remember him? The horse that almost fell on the turn in the Belmont and still won the race. Big Brown should win it if no bad luck occurs.

Great movie. But like Cigar, Seabiscuit didnt blossom as a 3 yr old. Great older horses they were. I am wondering what the connections of Big Brown will do if and when he wins the Triple Crown for the first time in 30 yrs. Do you retire him to stud or run him one more time in the Breeders Cup $4 million dollar classic??? Tough choice they will have if he gets it done and I believe he will.

I feel as bad as everyone that this horse had to be put down. All I am saying is that it is not intended. And if you had a match race with that philly against Big Brown, where he wouldnt have to spot the field many lengths because of being placed in the auxilliary gate, no contest. He is by far the best horse. the only horse that is in his league is Colonel John and perhaps Gayago. But Colonel John came from the poly, and raced for the first time on dirt. Ill give him that excuse and Ill have to look at the form to see what kind of trip he had. I do agree that 20 is too many. They need to make the standards tougher and not allow so many in. I wonder what Secretariat would have done from the auxilliary gate? I dont know whey the trainer for Colonel John didnt try and get J Valesquez or Gomez. I wouldnt give Nakatani another chance to screw up a great horse. He sucks.

[quote Well there is talk that they are investigating the jockey. But if they are going to investigate, they should investigate the trainer. To think that this horse would have beaten Big Brown is crazy. Hell, he drew post 20 and destroyed the field. He will win the preakness for fun. Do you really think that anyone wants this to happen to a horse in this business?/ If you do you are dead wrong.

To me he is a lock in the Preakness. The question is always the Belmont. I think at least 4 or 5 have won the first two in the last 30 yrs and failed to win the Belmont. this time I believe it will be differant. The only two horses that could make a late run in the Belmont and make trouble for him will be Colonel John (and why did they put Nakatani on a great horse-dont get it?) or Gayego, has the later running style and just maybe Court Vision. But I like Big Browns chances-alot.

Yes indeed. And there were three in the seventies. Secretariat, Affirmed and Seattle Slew. hasnt happened since 1978. Several times horses have won the first two only to lose the Belmont. this Big Brown is a Monster. I think he will get the job done.

It is very sad. But the horses are very well treated. Treated better than the jockeys. It doesnt happen often. It just gives the sport a black eye when it happens in such a big race witnessed by so many. You may watch racing for a year and not see this. But unfortunatley it happened two years in a row in Triple Crown. Big Brown is going to break the thirty year hex.

I hit the two day Oaks Derby DD. And had the trifecta in the race, two before the Derby. Won at Belmont today. The thirty year wait for a Triple Crown winner I believe is over,. I dont think anything will stop this horse from winning the Triple Crown. He is a cinch in two weeks in the Preakness. Cinch.

Well good luck to you. I am betting against Pyro. I like Colonel John and Big Brown. If either wins, I win. Enjoy! This is a day that I always look forward to.

With 4 choices left in the draw, the braintrust behind Big Brown, the favorite in the Kentucky Derby, only a few hrs away, has chosen post 20-the auxilliary gate. They believe he can clear and control the pace. I am boxing him with Colonel John and using the 19, 4, 6, and 11 in tris. For those that dont like or never watch racing, I suggest to tune in for the "most exciting two minutes in sports". It is truly a great american tradition. Just go easy on the Mint Juleps. Good luck to all the players.

Just have a few more coctails my man and it all looks the same.

Marshall Tucker Band will be playing in my area soon. Wonder how they are now? Or how many original members that are left???

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I must have always been misinformed as I thought Gaines played the slide guitar on "Free Bird"?? Guess not. Just imagine what they may have accomplished if not for one terrible day.

Thanks for the info. And lets not forget the Who going on without Moon AND now Entwistle. That is far more to accept than what Zeppelin has done. And they only really did it twice. Live aid and O2. And I hope next year.

So would I be correct to say that Van Zhantds brother would be the singer for the now "Lynrrd Skynrrd"??. I still dont think it is right to call them that out of respect for the departed. Its differant with Led Zeppelin in my opinion because they lost only one member, the drummer. And in my opinion the best drummer to ever walk the Earth but you still have the lead singer and guitarist. and to me they are not replacable in regards to the sound of the band. Im sure some will jump in here and say how that is not a fair statement, but I took music and play, so Im not brain dead on the subject. Van Zhandts brother can do a hell of a job and sound pretty much the same I think. Who in the world sounds like Plant? Nobody. I always wondered who really should get the most credit on guitar for Skynnrd. Steven Gaines? Or not?

How stupid of me. I thought Id heard that before (about Collins). That sucks. Im sure it will be good. I loved the brief time 38 special was around. didnt Collins play with them???