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  1. Hi, everyone. My name is Terri, and I am brand new to the forum. I have already introduced myself in the "Meet and Greet" forum. I have a question about a lyric in "Stairway to Heaven." I was hoping to find it on the main site, under "Discography,'' but that was no help. Anyway, it is the use of the word, "soul'' vs "sole." The following line is: "Our shadows are taller than our souls." Now, someone told me that it is "SOLE," like the soles of your feet. I had always thought it was "soul." Help? Thanks in advance.
  2. I just read about a new pending lawsuit over Stairway to Heaven, and wanted to give my opinion. It's not the first time LZ has been sued, and probably won't be the last. Here's a link to the article at Businessweek. Note 1: I didn't proofread, edit, or spellcheck this. This is the web, FTLOG. Let the errors go. Note 2: This is one man's opinion. There's a detailed story in Businessweek about the latest copyright infringement lawsuit against Led Zeppelin, one of my favorite bands. I've read most of the biographies and sagas about LZ, plus I have all their music and videos. With that level of interest, I've followed the lawsuits. The suits ask interesting questions of us: what is a "basic" sound that simply exists for anyone to create a variation of, what is a song that loosely inspired another, and when is borrowing considered copying (or stealing) under the law? I feel bad for judges and juries who have to sort these things out, because it's an example of human culture being shoved into a rectangular box, and it can't possibly fit. That's probably why most of these lawsuits are settled prior to an official ruling. These kinds of lawsuits exist in nearly all aspects of life: technology -- hardware and software, books and other writing, cars, etc. I once read that 99% of all cell phones sold in the world yield some of the profits to Microsoft because the company owns so many technology patents. Companies like Microsoft, Apple, Google, and countless others, often buy companies not for their products or services, but to acquire the patent portfolio. It's complicated and fascinating. The latest lawsuit against LZ involves Stairway to Heaven, which sounds a lot like a song called Taurus, by the band Spirit. Does that mean it's copyright infringement? Hard to say. Many people have tried to say LZ's song White Summer (sometimes called Black Mountainside or White Summer / Black Mountain Side) is theft of a Bert Jansch song. To make things more interesting, Jimmy Page started doing the song with The Yardbirds, before LZ was formed. Jansch is (was) a British folk guitarist and singer who did his own version of the song, which he called Black Waterside. Turns out, Jansch's song is similar to a song called Mustapha, by Davy Graham, which came out a couple of years before Jancsh released his own version. Jansh's song is also similar to Graham's guitar version of She Moved Through the Fair. Some say LZ should credit and pay Jansch and Graham. However, Black Mountainside is a British (or maybe Scottish, I can't remember) folk song dating back hundreds of years. This makes it fair game for anyone to use for inspiration, and is likely the reason LZ hasn't been sued over their version. Another area of creativity I've enjoyed, and one that intersects with Led Zeppelin, is fantasy novels -- although not for many years. There just isn't enough good fantasy out there to get fired up (with a few notable exceptions). Tolkien is, of course, the Founding Father, and has never been bettered. When I plowed through The Lord of the Rings as a kid, I thought it was the most creative thing anybody had ever produced. I found out it's not nearly as creative as I thought, starting with elves. Elves existed in popular culture in Celtic and Dark Age Britain, and probably most Celtic areas, at least a thousand years before Tolkien came along. They were thought to exist in a parallel universe, traveling back and forth between their own world and ours through known gateways. The Isle of Avalon in Arthurian mythology is the most famous of these gateways. Myrlin the magician, of Arthurian mythology, could travel freely between both worlds, and he is rendered as Gandalf in LOTR. The elven folklore was so powerful that England's first king, Alfred, is associated with elves. Alfred, btw, was spelled Aelfred at the time, with the A and E combined in the Old English ash character. Today's "alf" could just as easily have been rendered "elf". The name means, literally, "elf councillor". One had to be very important to give advice to the elves, as the people of the time believed, because the race was considered wise and mysterious. In LOTR, Frodo was formally named Elf Friend by the elves. It was a high honor, borrowed by Tolkien wholly from real folklore that existed for thousands of years. To this day, there is some debate about whether "Alfred" was the name of the king, or his title, or both. The way people thought in the 9th century was so different from our own, we may never know. My opinion is that if a royal family in 9th century Anglo-Saxon / Danish England named a second or third son, as Alfred was, A Councillor to Elves, they would have been viewed as incredibly arrogant. Others probably gave him the title, and it was assumed as his name. This was fairly common at the time -- choosing, or adopting a name chosen by others, after attaining a high office. Midieval kings did this as a matter of routine. This ancient history can be seen today in the way Popes change their name upon attaining the office. As for Tolkien, his major works were loosely designed to provide a creation myth for Great Britain, so they needed to feel like they originated in the Dark Ages or earlier -- hence the similarities to the folklore and literature of the period. If you read the Niebelungenlied (sp?) and the Kalevala (sp?) and Arthurian literature and some other Dark Age stories, you quickly discover that Tolkien is not nearly as creative as most people seem to believe. He had some novelties, and was a great writer, and crafted a heavyweight story on things that mostly existed earlier. He plagiarized nothing, yet invented little. His greatness was the story and the writing. Magic rings? Like elves, commonplace for the era, and not invented by Tolkien. Today we see an echo of this ancient history whenever a wedding ring is placed on a finger. Tolkien was influenced by many sources, and he in turn was a major influence on Robert Plant, the primary lyricist for Led Zeppelin. Many LZ songs contain references to LOTR. And, just like Tolkien's writings, many LZ songs can be traced back to older sources -- other rock songs or earlier blues songs, but that doesn't necessarily mean theft. If it was that easy, Robert Jordan would have been sued by Tolkien's estate for the Wheel of Time series of fantasy novels. Tennyson's estate, if it still existed, would sue both, except that copyrights expire after awhile. The descendants of Beowulf's author would sue everyone. Tolkien was, after all, an Anglo-Saxon (Old English) scholar and considered one of the best translators of Beowulf. A recent lawsuit was that of Dan Brown over his authorship of The Da Vinci Code. The authors of a non-fiction (although highly speculative) book called Holy Blood, Holy Grail sued Brown because, they said, Brown fictionalized their book. I don't believe Brown denied this, and after reading both of those books, I can say he would have been foolish to deny it -- they're nearly identical at the idea level. Brown won because, as the British court said, an idea can't be copyrighted. The main idea in both books is the Holy Grail, a powerful motif of Arthurian mythology, which greatly influenced Tolkien, who greatly influenced Robert Plant. This why I wrote this long-winded post -- so many parallels, so many connections, so much gray area, and occasionally a court of law has to sort out the meaning of it all and how the law applies. Ridiculous and fascinating. Oh, I also wrote this because I love LZ and Tolkien, and also because I believe law must exist, and because it's a mostly rational concept that deals with irrational human beings, it will never function well. So, what's the dividing line between an idea and an original work of creativity, protected by copyright laws? LZ will win the new lawsuit if they can demonstrate that the song Taurus had nothing to do with Stairway to Heaven or that Taurus was merely the idea that prompted an original work. The Businessweek article shines a light on this: "Ultimately, the legal test isn’t what experts say. Under U.S. law, the standard a jury or judge would apply is whether the song in question sounds like a copy to an ordinary lay listener." Tolkien's estate will never have to deal with these types of lawsuits because the copyright on Dark Age literature is long expired, and also because the exact authorship of many of the works is impossible to prove, but these are the only reasons. I've read most of the source material that influenced Tolkien, such as the Arthurian stuff, the Kalevala, the Norse sagas, the Niebelungenleid, Beowulf, the Anglo Saxon Chronicle, Taleisin, Aneirin, etc. I've also listened to most LZ music, as well as the source material. The parallels are uncanny. If LZ stole Taurus and re-worked it as Stairway to Heaven, then Tolkien stole Gandalf from Old Welsh writers. I don't hold it against Tolkien -- I don't consider him a thief -- and I don't consider LZ a thief over Taurus. The inspiration seems clear, but I think it stops well short of copyright infringement. I'd give you 10:1 the suit is settled out of court with a small monetary payout and a new credit appearing on future releases of Stairway to Heaven.
  3. I personally like Outrider I think has more of Jimmy's hard rock and bluesy feel. Unlike some of Robert's later projects. (I enjoy Robert's solo career as well)
  4. Hi guys, i made a cover of the guitar solo to stairway to heaven from the song remains the same dvd. Let me know what you think.
  5. Hello, my name is Zzenn and I have been a fan of the 'current of Zep' since around the age of 10, I'm now 52. My spiritual journey became strangely entwined with Zeppelin, specifically with the song "Stairway to Heaven." I published a book on the crazy synchronicities I experienced which culminated in a full kundalini release while listening to 'Stairway'. This lasted 5 weeks, bringing me through some very very odd experiences with the lyrics of that song. I wonder if anyone has had experiences along the same lines. The release happened the weekend of the fire in Sedona AZ where their were rings of smoke through the trees and the stores were all closed to name a few strange coincidences. The timing of the whole thing was so extreme that I had to write a book on it. It seems to me that the 'essence' of the current of Zep was always about magick and activating the kundalini in humanity . . . so, I got the pearl and many other secrets. I hope this topic is of some interest.
  6. The first time I ever heard Zep was on Casey Kasem's Top 40 Countdown...back in '74 or '75..."Stairway to Heaven" was in the top 40, even though it was several years after the album release...I'm almost positive the Top 40 was all singles..yet I've read Stairway was never released as a single, so how is this possible? I think it MUST have been released as a single, at least in the US. Can anyone clear up this mystery?
  7. I am curious of your opinions on Jimmy Page's best solo(s).
  8. From the vaults of New York radio station WNEW 102.7 FM...exact date of interview with Robert Plant not provided...dig the Minimation-style animation.
  9. Which do you think is better Stairway to Heaven or Kashmir?
  10. Just want to know if the painting was removed before or after he recorded the Stairway solo. Thanks .
  11. The band famously insisted that there be no writing on the cover at all, no band name or album title. This invites us to read the lyrics as symbols, or rather as interpretations of various symbols. My theory is that “Stairway to Heaven” is a Tarot reading, a draw of the 13 cards that comprise one version of the Celtic Cross. Plant and Page may have laid the cards on the table as they were working out the words…who knows? As in actual Tarot readings, the story of the cards doesn’t cohere exactly, and lends itself to multiple interpretations. “Stairway” as Tarot card reading would go like this:
  12. Is there anywhere online where I can find the full Led Zeppelin August 4th Knebworth performance.
  13. Robert Plant said that he thinks he was "working out what I was trying to say" with the lyrics and apparently, he has never been satisfied with the results. I've always wondered--why then didn't he rewrite them later? I mean, Page didn't play the same solos all the time...if I were Plant, this is what I'd do/have done: Changed the persona of the woman who appears in the beginning of the lyrics, or gotten rid of her altogether. It's a portrayal of a shallow, manipulative person; it's unpleasant. Then, the same woman or another woman (?) appears at the end of the lyrics as a beneficent and perhaps magical creature. If this is the same woman, how did this transformation happen? It doesn't make sense...The lyrics seem to indicate a split perception of women by Plant, as either shallow and degraded on the one hand, or magical, transcendent, idealized visions on the other. I could psychoanalyze this, but I won't. The best parts of the lyrics are the mystical parts-- "In a tree by the brook, there's a songbird who sings sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven" "our shadows taller than our soul;" the quirky "If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now. It's just a spring clean for the May-Queen," and also, the seemingly Tolkien-influenced: ""There's a feeling I get when I look to the west and my spirit is crying for leaving. In my thoughts I have seen rings of smoke through the threes and the voices of those who stand looking." I find those parts to be quite vivid. As far as I'm aware, the band just went along with what Plant wrote. I always like to get feedback on my writing and it's beneficial to most writers.
  14. Robert Plant recently said that he has nothing to do in 2014. Do you think that if Robert was open to another reunion that Jimmy or John would be on board as well.
  15. What do you think is Led Zeppelin's best rendition of a song. My personal opinion is this:
  16. In terms of the music produced who do you think had the best solo career post Led Zeppelin.
  17. Does anybody know where this photo of Jimmy came from.
  18. Which concert in your opinion was better: Earls Court May 24th or May 25th?
  19. At 2:22 in the song after the tempo changes, I believe I hear a bit from the guitar solo on Stairway, the A Minor Pentatonic. Does anybody else hear this or am I crazy?
  20. Hi, Does anybody know what's the type of font of the song Stairway to heaven? The one with the picture of the Hermit holding a lamp. I want to put the last paragraph on my bedhead. I would appreciate any help. Thank you
  21. There is a rumour that Jimmy used a second leadguitar for the solo of the studio version of Stairway besides the Telecaster. Is this true? Was the dragonpainting on the Tele removed before or after the recording of the stairway solo ? Was the solo recorded live with the band or as an overdubb ? Thank you for an information.
  22. http://www.3dartistonline.com/image/13198/stairway_to_heaven
  23. I decided to make a video for Pagey'z birthday the other day, and I know I went with the obvious choice, but even though everyone haz heard Stairway a million timez, there'z a reazon for it, and the reazon iz that it'z freakin' phenomenal! Anywho, here she blowz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfqiy9S5I70 GET THE LED OUT! -Ray Flanagan