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Hey Steve,
Start us a new and interesting mystery to discuss.
Thanks in advance.
BUCK"EYE" DOC
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All the info that you would care to know on Lori Mattix, alias Lori Maddox, alias Lori Lightning is on this link:
familyzepp.piczo.com/?g=28440157&cr=3
note: I hope this link works. I am not familiar with how to post links on this site. If it doesn't work, go to familyzepp.piczo.com and you should find it.
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I posted awhile ago in this thread that his trip was sometime between May 2-11 '77, and I deduced it knowing they were flown out of Detroit Metropolitan Airport around 1am on May 1st after the second Pontiac Silverdome concert to begin their break
and that Jimmy attended the Ivor Novello awards at the Grosvenor Hotel in London
on May 12. My notes show that John Bonham did not attend the event on May 12.
Sorry Steve, I didn't see your post. My bad!
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I just found another quote in the Rough Guide pertaining to the loss of Karac.
"I haven't taken a drug since that day", Plant told Uncut in 2005.
Another passage from this book:
While some members of the entourage, including Zeppelin's attorney Steve Weiss, stayed in California to sort out the mess, on the day after the arrests, Robert Plant and others flew on to New Orleans. ( No mention of who stayed and who went.)
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"Robert said: The perspective of that, losing one's child, is the bitterest pill to take".
"How am I ever going to deal with the next moment and put my shoulders back and be a man? I thought that I'd better refocus the whole deal".
The reunion (with the band) came after Grant eventually convened a band meeting at the end of April 1978 at London's Royal Garden Hotel. "That was after a long uphill battle to get him (Robert) to work again", Grant later recalled. "Robert kept saying he'd do it and then back down, but Bpnzo was a tower of strength..........So I suggested Clearwell (Castle), because Bad Company had been there. So Robert says hhe'd just like to do some jamming, so that's what they did."
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I just found in the "Rough Guide to Led Zeppelin" the answer to the Cairo question.
The quote:
"During the two-week break before the next leg, Page took a short vacation in Egypt but was back in London by 12 May to collect (with the rest of the band) an Ivor Novello award for their "outstanding contribution to British music".
So there is the exact date of when he was in Egypt.
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Remember, you don't actually lose money on it until you sell!
That is why I am not selling. I have a long way to go before retirement and hope that it goes back up.
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I did notice that you tried to change the subject.
So, on that note, you were discussing Robert's comments about Karac's death from a book you read. Here is more from Robert about that time, "The simple fact is that when I lost my son, when Karac left us, I really changed. I mean, there's nothing on the planet to equal that kind of grief... it still makes me shudder," he says. "No matter how good you are or how capable you are or how strong you are or how well-intentioned you are, you don't get over anything like that. And from then on, I found the juggernaut lifestyle I went through with Zeppelin had to be modified and that's what I've done. And there are some places and situations I just won't go back to."
Robert Plant, Uncut Magazine - November 2007.
Well, since it is now November 21, I am compelled to tell my story. Twenty two years ago today, I went into labor prematurely, and my first son was born 3 months early. He lived for a week and died on Novmber 29th. There is nothing worse in the world that can happen to a person than to loose a child. When you loose your parents, you have lost your past. When you loose a child, you have lost your future. So I totally understand what Robert meant by his statement. The thing that saved me from unrelenting grief is that I got pregnat again almost immediately and had another son almost a year later in December. I had to get over it to be a good mother to my second son.
Perhaps Robert associates being in Led Zeppelin with Karac's death and can't bear to participate again as a member of Led Zeppelin.
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Lori should have had someone guiding her career if she was underage so that she would benefit from the way she was being used.
Do you mean, like a pimp?
Or should her mother have been reining her in and not letting her stay all night with a man twice her age?
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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This stock market crash is starting to scare me. I am afraid to look at my 401K accounts. Last that I looked, first of November, it was down 40% from its peak in October 2007. Down even more this week.
What made me happy today? Took the day off to clean and shop for Thanksgiving. Having about 20 people over for dinner on Thursday and the family will play "The Turkey Bowl" touch football game.
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Hi Bigstickbonzo,
Thanks for getting back to the subject at hand.
I just found this quote from Robert in a book that I purchased at the RRHF titled "The Rough Guide to Led Zeppelin". At the beginning of each chapter is a quote and this is the one for the chapter titled "Crash Landing 1977 - 1980":
"Fate is already written. I tried to pick myself up, and as I did so slowly, I realized my family was way more important than the luxurious life I'd been living in Led Zeppelin". Robert Plant
I tried to change the subject earlier but we got back to discussing the groupies, which is probably more interesting. I guess there are no set rules, just go with the flow.
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Jimmy Page had no right to demand that Lori Maddox be true to him when she was under the age of consent. It's a mystery how someone can confuse the desire to possess someone with true love.
That is so true.
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Hi everyone!
After reading Miss Pamela's books as well as most of the Led Zeppelin books, I have concluded that Jimmy and the rest of the guys did love these girls at the time that they were with them. The problem was, the girls were not true to Jimmy and chased after any Rock Star (and their handlers such as Richard Cole) who came to L.A., and I think that it bothered him. If you listen to the words of alot of the LZ songs, I think that they are singing about the groupies. Songs such as "Hey Hey What Can I Do" (I've got a woman who won't be true) gives one insight as to their feelings about women. Of course, the guys weren't true to the girls, but that was acceptable then. Jimmy even asked Miss Pamela to allow him to "do certain things" when he was on the road as he was likely to be lonely. Jimmy locked Lori Mattix in his room, presumably because she was underage, but also probably to keep her away from the other guys having a go with her. The only life that the band knew was life on the road. They were touring constantly in the early years. It had to be very lonely for them. I believe that they had established relationships with the L.A. groupies and the groupies were their family on the road. They even cut a gig short in New York City (unheard of for Led Zeppelin) so that they could take the Starship to L.A. where they could party with the groupies. Robert Plant recovered after his auto accident in California probably to be near the groupies. Jimmy did phone Pamela and Lori and did send a Christmas gift to Miss Pamela. I do think that he cared for them.
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I just wanted to comment on the song "I Believe" by Plant off Fate of Nations that was discussed...ha 8 pages back by now?
I'm not a huge fan of his solo stuff, but this is a very good song. The subject does make it that much more personal and you can hear it in his voice.
Hi Bigstickbonzo,
Thanks for getting back to the subject at hand.
I just found this quote from Robert in a book that I purchased at the RRHF titled "The Rough Guide to Led Zeppelin". At the beginning of each chapter is a quote and this is the one for the chapter titled "Crash Landing 1977 - 1980":
"Fate is already written. I tried to pick myself up, and as I did so slowly, I realized my family was way more important than the luxurious life I'd been living in Led Zeppelin". Robert Plant
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My favorite is "The Ocean" as a song, but I like the live version better than the studio version. The studio version sounds kind of lifeless and flat compared to the "Live" DVD version. I also like "Dancing Days", "The Rain Song", and "No Quarter". Heck, I like the entire HOTH.
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Wow, Steve. This brought tears to my eyes. What an emotional song and video. Makes me admire and love Robert even more. Gives one perspective that maybe a Led Zeppelin reuinion is not the most important thing in life.
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The Pretender - Jackson Browne
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Interesting article. Thanks Steve. Seems like the conditions at that aquarium were somewhat inhumane but Robert swimming with the dolphins was not. There seems to be a huge attraction for humans to interact with animals, especially dolphins. Robert probably knew someone at Ocean World who allowed him the opportunity to swim in the tanks with the dolphins. It probably was not unusual for the trainers and keepers to get in the tanks with the dolphins, so it was no big deal for Robert to do it. The media just used it as one incident to force the aquarium to close down. I have swam with dolphins twice in Cozumel and on Tortula in the Virgin Islands. It was fantastic and for some people it is the dream of a lifetime to do so. In the 1980's there weren't places like Discovery Cove in Orlando where people could actually swim with the dolphins. Rock stars had opportunities to do things that the average person did not have access to do at that time.
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Stand by Me - Ben E. King
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Wow! I wish I could have been there (too young). This is a great description of the early days. I wish all of the press coverage could have been so favorable for the band's sake. It just goes to show how amazing Led Zeppelin was and shows why we Americans fell in love with them right from the begining.
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Waiting for the World to Change - John Mayer
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It Ain't Me Babe - Bob Dylan
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Shot Full of Rock - Ace Frehley
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I Shot The Sherriff - Eric Clapton
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I Shall Be Released - Bob Dylan
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Listening to and watching "Tommy" by the Who. It is on VH1 Classic.