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15 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
The origin, writing and recording of Layla is well established and doesn't involve Jimmy Page.
Well Steve .... one sad day a long time from now hopefully , his posthumous wishes will be released .
We shall resume this conversation at that time.
however👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼
i read whats “said” about its origins & im 👉🏼thinking when👈🏼
(stay with me Steve , im aware this is a dead issue with you)
Pagey FIRST heard claptons Layla
👉🏼 is erics real name Deric ? If no then why not use his own name(this is just trivial as wouldnt be long who derric really was.
👉🏼HOWEVER any less of a hit song & many people would have been put off the trail with just that different name & never questioned further.
He LIKELY recognized his own signature style in it Or even its HIS RIFF! realizing he had been had &
👉🏼let it go for now. As Zep was on Top of the world at the time
👉🏼, who knows how much later he first heard it , why make a fuss sO late!
if someone was to take a pole NOW putting all known facts aside due to their being a controversy and were asked to NAME who could be a candidate for the true composer of the riff ?
i know even if “everyones” first pick were 👉🏼 Jimmy Page 👈🏼
doent mean its true,!
Perhaps im just trying like hell to defend my immediate feelings as when i was just in highschool learning of hard Rock & gutiar players & power riffs & i think most all of us may have noticed
👉🏼(perhaps you may have as well Steve)
👉🏼that mainly one Man was firing off sO many different FIRE ONE BLASTS mostly was Jimmy with his band (even JPJ created some of Zeps most amazing riffs but u could still tell wich ones were generated by who)
👉🏼 Laylas riff just sounds like its comming from where Jimmy shoots from! do u agree somwhat at least?
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then when u learn
👉🏼clapton was around Pagey prior to layla
👉🏼& eventually pops up as far away as possible puts out an album with a different Name
refering to him & the dominos
👉🏼they make a point of its not even erics creation its the another amazing guitar player they must have thought they needed as if ERIC CLAPTON wouldnt be enuf for any band
&
(possibly guilt or saving face later)
👉🏼since Jimmy spoke of a controversial issue of substantial weight !
that he WILL only state
👉🏼 posthumously 👈🏼.😳!
👉🏼(Which would surly scare the HELL out of eric if he did lift the riff wouldnt you say?)
So as time went on i read
👉🏼“more than one time” clapton saying Very odd things about layla like
👉🏼“it doesnt feel like its his music” when he hears it “ or something to that effect !
As eric gets older he even
👉🏼almost appoligeticly says he realizes now that he wrote some song on Oceans that has the same notes or ? Song structure ? or ?
as Stairway !
so its not so outrageous!
Music has been inspired , stolen ,lifted
more Xs than ...what was it for awhile 🤔
“Than a toyota corolla”!
We resume this convo one day many many moons from now
👉🏼 if u rather👈🏼 as disscussed earlier in the mesg.
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11 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
When Robert signed that management deal with Trinifold, Bill Curbishley became his manager. It was Curbishley who convinced Robert that if he wanted to maintain a viable solo career, Robert must begin to perform Led Zeppelin material on tour. Some Led Zeppelin samples were also included on the next album. Robert's previous album, Shaken 'n' Stirred, had been a commercial failure that ultimately led to the dismissal of all of his bandmates in October 1986.
I see.... & it was fine by then in my opinion!
it was a classy gutzy thing to start his solo career that way .
Man it was sO fun to be around when he jumped back into doin it!, and we loved his solo stuff before then sO much too!
As ive said & you have also :
their should be alot more banter about how innovative & fresh his early solor
Music was!!!
wish we could politly give mainstreem or whoever a lil elbo to think about it.
i WOULD love 💕 for him to be validated
while he is still with us !
He would be pleased!
And Deserves it!
would change alota peoples mind about the RnR hall of fame ! As if they are becoming more credible with a move like that!
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11 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
To my ears, none of the Stairway to Heaven solos from the UK & US ARMS tours sound as if Page needed to be rescued onstage. If I recall correctly, he was particularly nervous about the first show in NYC and the others made sure to support him onstage.
THATs why they surprised him by comming out then , i see...... so that musta been the NY show.
yes i thought he was just doing his thing quite nicely! Thanks sO much steve !
u validate me, i was wondering what some others were even thinking. I didnt hear him lost!
Shame on them !
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On 8/16/2020 at 2:33 AM, z1inspector said:
Tell me about the show when Eric and Jeff came out to supposedly save Jimmy during that solo I didn't see anything wrong with the solo what was wrong with it???
I hear so many people say the same thing but it just seemed like he was doing his thing he wasn't dragging it on or lost in it or anything...
Please do elaborate..
ANYONE?
Not sayin their wasnt a difference in his playing , but was he sucha MESS in that solo that the other 2 thought
“OMG”
“We must GET OUT THERE & SAVE him !!!”
“WE must do SOMTHING”
it wasnt the FIRST arms STH i dont believe was it? I mean he wasnt MILES away from the ones he played on the other ARMS showes that
THEY felt they had to interfere ?
I AM HONISTLY asking did at that particular date
DID Jimmy Page need to be SAVED? as sO many ive heard say over & over?
i humbly thank you in advance for your insight &/or view !
ANYONE?
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On 11/19/2015 at 6:48 AM, SteveAJones said:
Yes, he did, having signed an artist management deal with Trinifold in Autumn 1986. Bill Curbishley's immediate advice and council to Robert was embrace your Zeppelin roots--fast!
Steve could u explain what this Trinfold deal means &/or why Planty should embrace Zep fast?
these are why Plant started playing Zep samples or whatever again?
i really need to understand, PLEASE
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I was agreeing with this guys post , turned out it was my own 🤫
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4 hours ago, z1inspector said:
Im bout to say
SOMTHING CRAZY:
ive always felt the riff in Layla was a Page riff that clapton ran off to america with !
SOUNDS LIKE a pagey riff
ALL THE WAY !!&
NOTHING like what clapton would come up with!!!!
AND IM AWARE Duane Allman gets the official credit for the riff, however i need to ask if it sounds like a riff Duane would create ?
im not that familiar with his composing ,ANYONE?
Im sure eric & Duane knew they had somthing huge there & jimmy prob had it on a tape of ideas & forgot about it.
& once one puts an idea down in a safe place like tape ,ones mind can be free to forget about it knowing he can come back to saved ideas later & was lifted or jimmy was tinkering , who knows
& look at the timeline ! It fits , eric “could have” just stowed it away after he heard jimmy tinkering a few yrs back when they were working together ,
Eric has always seemed to me
more than a lil funny when it came to jimmy.
AND A SURE FIRE POWER RIFF IS
“PRICELESS” if utilized properly , ideas get lifted all the time!
i cant remember what it was jimmy & eric were doing together , but they spent plenty enuf time together ive looked into it.
& i believe thats one of the things Pagey could be referring to when he speaks of his post hummus information to be released (many many yrs from now 🤞🏼)
👉🏼And i still feel STRONGLY that it sounds like a Page composition👈🏼
ok ....let me have it guys lol
or maybe i start a new thread ?
Forgot to say ,
It DOES NOT SOUND like the ALBERT KING song sped up , i dont think they got the riff from that!!
OF COURSE RIFFS can be derived out of other songs that sound nothing alike i suppose or anything really
I believe Berry Gib once said they came up with Bee Gees song “tragedy” (? ) from the way the street or bridge sounded under their car wheels !
Gene Simmons one said “I love it loud” was derived from i forgot which “WHO” song , but i couldnt see how,
so anythings possible!
HEY its just SOMETHING i alway felt everytime i heard Layla !
i was like THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING JIMMY PAGE would come up with....
he was the only one playing
FIRE ONE BLAST OFF RIFFS like that!!
tell me it doesn't sound like a jimmy riff & id have to wonder about you !
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On 11/1/2014 at 4:52 PM, Dr Death said:
And your comment sparks a need to respond... There may well be some fans - or many, as you indicate - that think the Hagar era was better, but having been around when VH released their first album and witnessing the impact that that band had on music was an amazing thing to see, hear and feel. And DLR was a huge part of their success.
Sure, he's a showman, he's arrogant, but he doesn't try to hide that. He is exactly who he presents himself to be. And when it came to live concerts back in the day - 1978-1984 - it was pretty difficult to top Van Halen and Roth had a lot to do with that as well. He could turn an arena into a small room by making everyone feel that the show was being played in their back yard, if you know what I mean.
One thing I would take exception to is when you say the music with Hagar was more "mature." Eddie wrote/writes almost every single note of music and it was Eddie who grew and matured and this came through in his music. Maybe you didn't mean it this way, but it felt as though you were saying with Roth their music was amaturish and insolent.
Let's take a look at Roth with the more mature Eddie... in 1996 when he reunited with the band for two songs - Can't Get This Stuff No More and Me Wise Magic - both are just amazing songs and shows me that Roth could easily fit in with any style that Eddie wanted to play in. I was a bit disappointed when their most recent album was mostly old songs reworked. Apparently they are working on a new one with Roth and I can only hope for that sound they had on the two 1996 songs.
Not trying to change your opinion, because that's impossible. But believe me, there are far more fans who prefer the Roth era - Sammy himself even said so in a recent interview when he said that VH should take Michael back because 'that's what the fans want! The original line up.' He then went into a long diatribe about how he would happily tour with them if asked and if things were 'cool...' Typical Hagar. LOL
So, for me, and millions of others, I'll take Roth over Hagar any day. Now if their new album would be like those two songs from 1996... now that would be something very cool! Cheers!!!
Yup those who dont agree , didnt get it!
the DLR years music was untouchable!
just RAW , catchy & FUN
cradle will rock, unchained, aint talkin bout love, meanstreet, oh &
DANCE the NITE AWAY!
Come on!
SAMMYS stuff was pretty good got to admit!
Standin on top of the world &
round & round cant be denied!
But original line up was somthin else!
rip Edward
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I have a dayton ohio recording thats deep deep in storage somewhere !
From the front row center stage mostly...
the guy recording it (Jim from cincy) was actually a good friend of my college buddy greag who i provided a good quality tape to give to his friend jim that i hadnt met yet!
who was actually reording it for us, that i totally annoyed all nite goin crazy with my old high school pal Pat.
we couldnt believe we were that close to Jimmy !
im all over the bootleg makin a fool of myself!
I remember saying such dum things as
“wow he looks human” SMH , sorry to everyone & to big jim!
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On 2/18/2017 at 7:15 AM, SteveAJones said:
Honolulu Advertiser (August 29, 1966)
Ah? Dont they have the names out of order in the photo?
appears to me thats JEFF BECK third from the left,
am i wrong ?
surely im not the first to notice ?
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Gosh we must hurry & get Robbie Blunt back in Roberts line of site!!!!
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On 10/4/2015 at 7:56 PM, Disco Duck said:
It's really none of our business but, of course, this won't stop us from speculating about it. Jeff Beck likes Page well enough to invite him to his wedding in 2005. However, they haven't really worked together since Beck left the Yardbirds back in 1966. My point is that I don't think we can judge Page's relationships with other musicians on whether or not they do gigs together. Particularly since Page has only performed no more than half a dozen times during the past 15 years. From what I've read Page is on friendly terms with Ronnie Wood, Joe Perry and Joe Walsh but he hasn't collaborated with any of them either as of late.
Ah? Page loves Beck & vise versa i always thought !
after all Pagey wrote
” Becks (i dont know how its spelled ) borrilo” for his Pal Jeff !
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Im bout to say
SOMTHING CRAZY:
ive always felt the riff in Layla was a Page riff that clapton ran off to america with !
SOUNDS LIKE a pagey riff
ALL THE WAY !!&
NOTHING like what clapton would come up with!!!!
AND IM AWARE Duane Allman gets the official credit for the riff, however i need to ask if it sounds like a riff Duane would create ?
im not that familiar with his composing ,ANYONE?
Im sure eric & Duane knew they had somthing huge there & jimmy prob had it on a tape of ideas & forgot about it.
& once one puts an idea down in a safe place like tape ,ones mind can be free to forget about it knowing he can come back to saved ideas later & was lifted or jimmy was tinkering , who knows
& look at the timeline ! It fits , eric “could have” just stowed it away after he heard jimmy tinkering a few yrs back when they were working together ,
Eric has always seemed to me
more than a lil funny when it came to jimmy.
AND A SURE FIRE POWER RIFF IS
“PRICELESS” if utilized properly , ideas get lifted all the time!
i cant remember what it was jimmy & eric were doing together , but they spent plenty enuf time together ive looked into it.
& i believe thats one of the things Pagey could be referring to when he speaks of his post hummus information to be released (many many yrs from now 🤞🏼)
👉🏼And i still feel STRONGLY that it sounds like a Page composition👈🏼
ok ....let me have it guys lol
or maybe i start a new thread ?
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Im sure ive already said this ,but
to be clear ...
I LOVE THIS album the BEST of his post Zep work !
by far,
also:
like Now & Zen
&
Pictures & Principles !
& 2 songs off of Shaken:
SIXES & SEVENS
&
Pink & Black
“aw sO goooood!” ........!
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On 10/31/2022 at 8:36 AM, Ian Smith said:
Ha Ha, that would have made me forget everything else as well
On 10/31/2022 at 8:18 AM, SteveAJones said:I visited in 1998 during the Page/Plant tour. I went primarily to see JPJ's stage clothing from TSRTS, so I don't recall much more about it besides that.
I 2nd what PLANT77 said about
SteveAJones !
its just great reading your input , esp your helping trackdown real information to help solve questions otherwise we may never resolve, & he knows everyone!
i had a question re’ Plant & Page jumpin on stage with Foreigner in 82(?) , Steve thought i had a good Question & cant remember exactly but i think he just CALLED( or ?) “MICK JONES” & asked him for me 😳!
Amazing ! WHO CAN DO THAT???
pretty sure he knows Jimmy personally ?
Or at least have Met Jimmy!
I agree Its great having you on here Steve! U & Sam Make this site worthy of being the OFFICIAL mighty LED ZEPPELIN Web site!
& im glad my questions & comments have been found worthy enuf to catch your interest & kind assistance. Such good times ive had on this site for years & years now!
Alot of smart members on here !
Thnx again !
On 10/31/2022 at 8:18 AM, SteveAJones said:I visited in 1998 during the Page/Plant tour. I went primarily to see JPJ's stage clothing from TSRTS, so I don't recall much more about it besides that.
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Woe ! THIS is even BETTER than the one i seen, mine was inside & maybe almost just posing , dont recall a smile , not too much more than half chest & partial guitar!
Appears to be same guitar.
So.......could Bonzo really play? Enuf to get through some songs ?
👉🏼I would really like to know!
👉🏼I understand he CAN FLY 🛩 a PLANE as they left him alone in the cockpit 😳 as they strolled the cabin , likely NOT bank a turn or LAND but who knows?
ANYONE?
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🔴👉🏼I once seen a picture of John Bonham with a guitar !
seriously !
An acoustic I believe, not sure how far i looked into it however i “believe” it was legit! Not photoshoped.
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41 minutes ago, BobDobbs said:
I think you mean the word Aryan which refers to the long gone original inhabitants of what is now eastern Iran and north-western Afghanistan. Hitler and the Thule Society believed the Aryan race were a race of supermen who migrated from this region over 2,500 years ago to what is now Germany & the Scandanavian countries. Hitler so believed this nonsense he sent countless German anthropologists to Iran, Afghanistan, & India in search of artifacts from these peoples.
Ps. They found jack shit because its all a load of bullshit.
Robert's use of the word Arian is old Welsh and means "silver one." It also means son of god, or one made of the same substance of god but not god itself in old Latin.
Well i stand corrected, ty
esp since i couldnt find it spelled that way on google , so your likely correct.
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Unless
im confusing Arien with Alien 😳!
Zoinx!
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Totally off the top of my head, im gonna thro in something i did not even bother to look into :
likely im wrong however i for some reason I thought Hitlers version of the word may have been spelled with an E, idk if thats even a word ?
= Arien , if any1 looks into it & im correct , pls advise , ty
but what do i know ,
👉🏼 Im no “GRAMMAR NAZI” 😅!
pretty clever !? Eh? = Hitler / Nazi
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HERES another FACT that most dont know re’ the Plant & Morrison connection.
Perhaps somone on here would be so kind as to POST both photos.
A photo of Plant during his fantasy scene? I think ? Possibly when he sits down in the woods munching on a mushroom.
&
The famous morrison record sleeve shot of him with his arms stretched forward to the camara,
No WAIT !
Ima go to Steve A Jones’s Led Zep trivia thread & post the question. ☺️!
I havent spoke to ( i havent been bothering ) Steve in quite a while , wonder if he still remembers me ? ? 🤔
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On 4/15/2010 at 7:46 AM, lzzoso said:
For those of you who may notice, I realize I am replying to my first original post. However, I am currently listening to "Manic Nirvana" and I have to say that I think It may be Robert Plant's Best Solo Album. Not as "commercial" and "popular" as "Now and Zen" but I think that every song on "Manic "Nirvana" are all great in their own right. As I mentioned above, I honestly think that "Big Love" and (especially) "I Cried" are two of Robert Plant's greatest Post Led Zeppelin achievements.
I agree re’ BIG LOVE!!! such a great song!
And the whole album itself ROCKS!!! Love the heavyness, well ... better way to say it:
its def in the HARD ROCK category more than any other of his solo albums!
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On 4/1/2022 at 5:58 PM, Strider said:
These are amazing. Props to these fans for spelling Led Zeppelin correctly. There always seemed to be a high percentage of fan-made signs spelled incorrectly.
The buzz. The anticipation. The energy and patience needed for waiting and waiting. I would not have it any other way. The rituals of going to concerts in the 1970s is far better than what it is today.
Yea , freezing all nite , standin out there-a blanket over ya heads often soaked ,sharing umbrellas , shivering , did it in the early 80’s . First time possibly was for the FIRM i believe. was crazey , cause suddenly everyone stood up , eventually couple doors popped open.Found myself & a buddy RUNNING AS fast as we could in race inside a mall? To stand in another line with 50 peope ALREADY in line 😳!
best I could get was nosebleed seats !
I remember total of 7 of us at the concert & think it was the first Zep song in the set The OCEAN , i barely 16? looked around during the LA LA LALALA part & noticed several older guys & girls were huggin & cryin.... hearing i think our 1st LIVE performance of a Zep tune since or EVER since Bonzo’s & Zeppelins death/demise! the lighters were out ,my eyes 👀 welled up too my buddy caught my eye & he looked away ,most everyone was hugging , older hippi guy infront of me turned around crying & hugged me too!
We were amongst several others who UNDERSTOOD the gravity of the moment ! Thank you Jimmy Page waaay down there on stage for comming to town & moving us so deeply......😢! Zep ment a lot everyone !
A moment in time......😔
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On 8/22/2009 at 6:41 AM, moonson said:
no special order here and valid only for today:
In The Mood
Sixes And Sevens
I Get A Thrill
You Better Run ( by "Listen")
Wreckless Love
Sixes AND Sevens !!! Great taste moonson !!!
What a REALLY great song for back then , PERFECT , so is PINK & BLACK !
I dont even think the RADIO ever played those on the AIR ! They were PERFECT for that ERA! However most of the public NEVER EVEN heard them , still to this day! tragic!
Wreckless Love one of my favorites , sO original , well they all are but love the part:
BUUUUUUURN! then ROBBIE BLUNT nails it!
SHOULD BE more talk of BLUNT on here!
Clapton and Page
in Pre / Post-Zeppelin Forum
Posted
It will be interesting to learn what it is he will state that he wishes to clarify .
And him not to have to deal with !
btw very kindly worded , & i understand your view. But please do unpackage & skim through , however u prob know even more tidbits .
Anyway thats MY GUESS on what hes been holding out about
Eitherway its somthing big!