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This story is sad and pathetic.
One wonders about possible fallout that we don't know about.
Agreed Scarlet, it IS sad and pathetic...all too much so.
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Sounds and looks like this Audrey gal made the "rounds" if you will. Ahh, the seventies - when true love
was a merry-go-round of sex, lies, and cassette tapes.
I would have thought Robert would have known better than to fall for girls like Audrey. But hey, love is blind,
even for our Heros. :-(
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If "Wearing and Tearing" was included on ITTOD instead of "Hot Dog" or "Fool in the Rain" it would have been a killer album.
Still, "In the Evening" is such a standout along with the entire side 2 that it makes ITTOD a very good listen.
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Page is a gunslinger with...Presence. I would choose to travel 3000 miles just to watch him tune a fucking guitar over going across town to see Clapton host another 3 day guitar fest.
Ahh, well said, - how true. Jimmy was never ever a perfectionist on guitar. He plays as is - wreckless and non-technical - always on the verge
of another train wreck. But when he pulls it off his genius is see "perfectly" clear to see. Shining and glowing. However his "mistakes" are always
just as clear, and depending on your viewpoint and your preferences you can forgive and go on living with Jimmy as he is.
Clapton, Beck, and the other "purists" have their place but I'd much, much prefer to be in Jimmy's train wreck anytime.
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Looks like the sound guy took a bullet for the team! Jimmy Page has never admitted to being at fault for anything - ever! He blamed Phil Collins for the Live Aid debacle when he himself was beyond the point of being shit-faced for chrissakes!
They had 6 months of rehearsals on and off and a full dress rehearsal a few days before the gig to get the sound right! Ok the 02 is not acoustically the best venue for gigs but don't tell me it was worse than Earls Court which is effectively an aircraft hanger! The sound guys in the 70s really knew their stuff and with a fraction of the technology available today.
I back Mr Ed 100% in his argument and not just because he is a fellow muso! There are too many blinkered folks on here who won't hear a word said against their heroes who are fallable after all!
As a working DJ who sets up all his own sound equipment in every kind of hall, bar, outside venue, etc. I would have to agree with the
posters here who lay the feedback issues on Jimmy. Jimmy should have been able to control his volume, gain, and wah in order to help
eliminate any feedback and help the FOH guys monitor and adjust for Jimmy's adjustments if he had backed off the volume and gain.
But alas Jimmy went forward with his settings and the result was ear-splitting feedback and a weird distortion that was way out of place.
When my rig gets crazy, feedback is always an issue in certain venues and volume levels and mic placements, I have to pull it back
and get it under control - it happens at my mixer and the amps respond accordingly to their input, and that's where I have to know
what to adjust. And Jimmy should have also. Plain and simple.
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In Through the Outdoor was a Plant, Jones, Page co-production no?
Wasn't Page too strung out during the early part of production and recording to play a major role
in studio or with the over-all scheme of that album?
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I have the Deluxe edition and if I may offer some quick thoughts:
Jason - fuckin' awesome! Every song he played his ass of and played so well!
Robert - Lower register, mimed some forgotten lyrics, over-all though he was a true front man and a
mature power-house!
Jimmy - abbriveated solos, and a malfunctioned Dazed and Confused, but he was so amazing! Power
full-filled and a true artist!
John Paul - yes, lost in the mix early on but comes back with IMTOD very strong and every song after.
He's the un-sung hero of this Band. A true professional and on point with every song!
The technical difficulty of mixing out the very bad and inexcuseable feedback on the first 2 songs leave
us with a poor audio mix that finally gets righted by the time Black Dog comes along. Nothing a engineer
can do with such a bad start to the audio that night.
Overall - amazing and true to the Zeppelin Legacy.
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the only question that hasn't been answered is - where is all that music you keep talking about....
Perfect Question!
I would add to that: Why is Robert continually showing you how to make new and exciting music from old, but treasured, pieces and yet
you ignore his efforts and do nothing that is current and worth talking about?
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i don't know, really, does it matter how many takes it took to get a good, but not great, solo? Yes it would be cool if he did it in 3 or less takes
but Jimmy is such a perfectionist he probably pieced together the Heartbreaker solo and lost track on just how many "pieces" it took in the end.
1, 3, 10, 100 - it all blended together for him to get what he wanted. Which in the end was just a good solo and fit the song. Nothing earth-shaking.
Now, it would be a REAL revelation if we can find out how the hell he did the Achilles Last Stand Opus with a million over-dubs and is sooo
epic and grand as well as the rest of Presence in such a short time...IMO ALS is a much, much better guitar based song than STH will ever be.
ALS may be the best and most intense guitar based song ever pieced together! Just give a close listen - there's a lot going on in that song!
Forget the Heartbreaker non-sense...
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Complexity for the sake of complexity..... is much like speed for the sake of speed...
Or Loudness for the sake of Loudness....
It may have it's devoted followers..... but Louder is not always better... than softer, etc.
They use the same resoning for argueing that Neal Peart is a better drummer than John Henry Bonham, becuase Neal's drumming ... is more "complex"....
You want complexity ? ? Don't begin and end with ALS.... Seek out Jazz .... Now that's complex...
I think that ALS is for 12 year olds..... Or the mentality of a 12 year old....
And, those that are facinated with complexity...
Nothing wrong with that....
I was never in to Zeppelin when I was 12. Went straight from The Beatles ... to Led Zeppelin.
No KISS or Def Leppard to "bridge" the gap....
But complexity for the sake of complexity... doesn't get me.
totally missed my point Rov. ....don't know 'bout you but i don't know many 12 yr olds that break any song down to being complex or genius - they just rock to it. Jazz - not so much.Other than that - congrats to the Texas Longhorns for beating OSU last night....l-l 'horns!
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Folks, ALS is simply one of the most intense, elaboorate, intricate, complex rock songs EVER written by anyone - period.
Musicians, producers of music, studio techs, would all agree that the technical and mucisianship of that one song eclipses anything that Zep had done before or after.
This was Jimmy's epic masterpiece.
I've listened to ALS with studio reference equipment - both the analog and digital versions. I prefer the analog however. The guitar and bass work here are sublime, brilliant! Bonhams' drumming, pacing and breaks are transcendant - really. The over-dubs on Pages end are simply unequalled to this day.
Nobody layers guitar lines like that anymore, only because they can't!
Listen carefully, layer upon layer - tasteful and portant guitar runs that build the song to great heights.
John's drumming - roll upon roll moving in synch with JPJ bass lines - steady, forceful, pure power.
And Robert's lyrics sung with passion and spiritual loft...his best effort by far. Beats Kashmir in complexity and ferocity.
Simply put - Achilles Last Stand is a masterpiece for generations to come.
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Hi everybody! I'm Linn!
Hello LInn! With so little "real" news on Zeppelin these days, it's nice to see a pretty girl on this board to keep us interested! Welcome, are you a long time Zep fan or more recent to their party?
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Nirvana, the flirtatious interviewer for 'Robert Plant: The Return of the Tall Cool One'
was Carolyne Heldman. Here's a link to her photo:
http://www.mtv.com/photos/?fid=1563427&pid=2503805
The interview was recorded in October 1988 and originally aired later that same month
as the second leg of Robert's North American tour was underway.
Thanks Steve! That pic does look like the VJ that interviewed Robert, Good job !
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There has to be something on video out there, especially with the Internet. But, let me tell you, it's worth finding!
Not only for Robert's classic flirting with the VJ girl, but MTV also had him pick his top ten favorite band videos....interesting choices as I remember.
Pat Benatar was on his list, he had the hots for her also!
But the best was his blatant remarks to the VJ and how she was like warm butter in his hands!
I believe the show was called "The Return of the Tall Cool One - Robert Plant!", His Now and Zen vids were also highlighted...
I hope you find something on video...
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Oh, I think I know who your talking about but I'll have to review the actual tape to get her name. It wasn't Idalis but she was also smoking hot.
Steve, I think it was Kari Wührer...former MTV VJ and B-movie star...if you can verify this I would appreciate it.
I know I have a VHS copy of this interview somewhere but I'm too lazy to dig it out!
All I know is that it was wild...
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Her name is Martha Quinn, she was one of the original hosts when the channel launched in 1981. That particular interview was conducted in Spring 1988.
No Steve, I remember Martha, no, def not her. This girl was smoking hot! Long light brown hair...Robert told her how beautiful her eyes were...very pretty girl. Quinn wasn't a looker -
too skinny, no fiqure. This VJ had a bod that must have impressed Robert...anyone have any more info?
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Does anyone remember the MTV Interview with Robert Plant and the girl VJ who Robert was endlessly flirting with - to the point where the poor VJ Chick was blushing and stuttering during her valiant attempt at the interview?
I think it was during Robert's "Now and Zen" comeback...he had this girl in his sights and wouldn't let her go - on live TV none the less!
Question - what was the VJ's name and did she take Robert up on his "what are you doing this evening?" offer?
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Jeff Beck didn't show for Rod's Tour in the early 80's when he was billed as lead guitarist...yea, he's awesome.
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Yeah, there's good stuff and bad stuff everywhere. I know very little about AC. I saw a book about him and skimmed through it in a store. I know he was in the Golden Dawn, but I forgot what they were about. All I remember are some funny pictures he drew and that he had a fundamentalist upbringing.
I know enough about Wiccans (at least the ones I know) to understand that they're overwhelmingly positive in the way they do things. If I could be religious, that's about as close as I could get, I think. I've always hated the way anything occult or pagan related stuff is portrayed in the media. Talk about stupid. But I think it probably goes back about 2000 years at least. Why do people always assume it's about affecting others, when it's actually about affecting yourself? DUH. Or did I miss something.
No, you didn't miss anything...it's an old fear of the unknown that creates these silly media backlashes and jokes about pagens and Wiccans over time. You seem to have gotten it right - pass it on!
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I've got tons of Zep boot vinyl...haven't sold one. However, if it means paying for something more important (hope it never happens) like family, health, or a good cause - my "boots" are made for walking!
My best boots would be 1971 LA Forum or Cleveland Destroyer or 1977 Badgeholders.
Blueberry Hill is nice. Montreal 1975 with the Physical Graffiti songs is good albeit poor sound.
ITTOD studio out-takes...nice.
Soundtrack to Lucifer Rising with un-released studio out-takes music is cool too.
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I've read a very dumb wiccan book, and a very good one.
...Haven't we all !
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Hey, Nirvana!
Welcome back, your dreams were your ticket out.
Welcome back to that same old place that you laughed about.
Well the names have all changed since you hung around,
But those dreams have remained and they’re turned around.
Who’d have thought they’d lead ya
(Who’d have thought they’d lead ya)
Back here where we need ya
(Here where we need ya)
Yeah we tease him a lot cause we’ve got him on the spot,
Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.
Hey, I actually remember that show....thanks Steve!
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Edward Alexander Crowley...Mission Accomplished. Rest in Peace.
James Patrick Page...Mission Accomplished. Ever Onward.
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Nirvana has apparently confused his personal theories with Crowley's. More is less? Know thyself?! The Key?! ROTFLMAO! These sentiments are not funny in and of themselves, but
hilarious (and I do mean laugh out loud funny!) when projected onto Crowley. Let me let
folks in on a little secret - money can't buy you happiness but it sure as hell don't hurt!
"For everything else, there's Master Card" -- Aleister Crowley
Thanks Steve, I feel better now for your clarification. As usual, you have the final say...g'night folks!
totally missed my point Rov. ....don't know 'bout you but i don't know many 12 yr olds that break any song down to being complex or genius - they just rock to it. Jazz - not so much.
Talked to Audrey Hamilton today......
in Led Zeppelin Master Forum
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Sounds like Robert is the one who had his heart broken after reading this story...