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On 6/16/2018 at 10:39 PM, Zepfan2001 said:
You really like this crappy song.
It's not a crappy song, its a brilliant song which was poorly produced and arranged. A few minor tweaks and this song would have been considered one of their top 5 tunes.
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BBQ - ZZ Top
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7 hours ago, JTM said:
The theory that Dianne Spencer wasn't bumped off..
I dunno about that one as the method of her death was not exactly what a hit squad would try due to way too many possibilities. Causing a wreck in those tunnels did not guarantee death first of all and second, the hit squad could have just as easily killed themselves in the process.
Side note: As much as I admired Diana for her good works she was also a very complicated person and no angel. Why would she associate, much less become engaged to Dodi El Fayed? The guy was s scumbag coke addict with very dubious business associations. The whole thing was just weird.
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23 minutes ago, LedZeppfan1977 said:
Based on what evidence? Well, it up to you if you want to believe it. I do not have an opinion on that one either way. But for cost alone, its a bit of a long shot I would think.
I do wonder about the latest possible theory on JFK's assassination? This one where the rifle of a CIA agent discharged and accidentally fired the fatal shot that they have argued could not have come from the book depository based on the angle?
I absolutely believe that the Swedish journalist has solved the identity of Jack the Ripper. Long dead of course, a man named Charles Allen Lechmere.
And never doubt that we landed on the moon in the summer of 1969 and Neil Armstrong was the first human to set foot on the moon.
I do not believe that aliens have been here recently. After studying astronomy and time and distance, its a very challenging task. As for before we were here before the primitive man stage? Who knows.
And when I was a kid I always thought that between the 3 classic "monsters" that have been talked about so many times, that the Loch Ness monster was the most likely to be true. Now my vote would go to the Yeti. Even though I think its a heck of a long shot.
I always believed it was some nutter who committed the crimes but being Whitechapel 1888 there are certainly plenty of potential suspects. However my best guess is there was no true Jack the Ripper. I believe three of the murders were committed by a local gang as a means to keep the local prostitutes in line and paying up. I believe Mary Kelly was not a Ripper victim as the crime was 100% different from the other so called Ripper murders.
Let's face it, Whitechapel was the shithole of shitholes during a shithole time in general in London and the whole thing has been blown way out of proportion when one considers they found dead bodies every morning in that section of town, some murdered, some just dead from god knows what as the sewage was overflowing the streets, the air was virtually unbreathable, and crime was rampant.
That is one place at one time you could not pay me enough to want to go back to.
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1 hour ago, Tea41 said:
With all the bonus track mania going on with the Zep reissues, how couldn't Page put the full live NQ with the full solo from 1976 version on this new TSTRS release, at least as a bonus track? IT'S AMONG HIS BEST LIVE SOLO'S EVER. Is Page that isolated and out of touch that no one has told him how much the fans want this? We've been waiting decades now for it. This is the last TSRTS release, so I guess there's no hope for it. I'll take the full NQ remastered with the full solo over 99% of all the Zep reissue "outtakes", which I love. Page still seems sharp, not sure why he refuses to put his best solo out in a remastered form. There is no excuse.
Yes !
If there is an issue whereby Jimmy HAS to keep the remastered release the exact same, fine, I can deal with the shitty, butchered 2007 NQ. However, Jimmy can still release the original 76' release NQ in a remastered source as a bonus. Why not do that?, In fact, why not release the album with two remastered versions, the original 76' and the 2007 of the album with all the bonus songs (SIBLY, MMH, The Ocean, BD, OTHAFA, etc.) as well. It would be, without a doubt, the definitive version and one to close the books on MSG 73'.
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6 hours ago, bonedarrell said:
Joan Jett had a schedule conflict for the make-up date in Norman, OK. As a result, my old band "Legacy" opened that show. A career highlight for sure!!
Lucky me (sarcasm) we had Mission UK. Oh no, heaven forbid we got SRV or Joan Jett, that was just way too much to hope for. Instead the goddamned Mission UK. Good news is Phoenix heckled the singer off the stage, then the rest of the band went into about one minute of some improved punk tune beating the living shit out of their instruments. They finally sounded great and the crowd was loving it. Then they stopped, all left the stage except the drummer who left his kit, came to the foot of the stage, flipped everyone off and left.
Brilliant!
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2 hours ago, chef free said:
What the hell is wrong with Jimmy Page? Is there anyone on this board who prefers the butchered 2007 version to the original near-perfect version?
Only a complete madman...or Jimmy Page I guess.
I used to play the shit outta TSRTS on my record player and car tape deck back in the day. Went through five LP's and countless tapes from 1978 - 1990 when I bought the CD. I remember seeing TSRTS movie for the first time in 1981 (I believe, not sure, I was 13) and I was completely stoked when Jones started playing those ominous minor keys to begin NQ. Oh man, this was my favorite live Zep tune and made the album version sound like lounge jazz by comparison. Then...WTF? There appears to sound like a cut or some other kind of tape fuck up as Jimmy was doing that sweet rhythm intro before the solo. It just went straight into the solo, and, parts were different as well. Damn was I pissed. Of course I found out later that the movie version and the soundtrack version were different but still, why did Jimmy do that on the original movie version? It sounded shitty.
Then to add insult to injury instead of fixing the movie version to match the soundtrack, he did the opposite in 2007. You killed No Quarter...You Bastard (South Park reference, no offense meant).
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3 hours ago, LedZeppfan1977 said:
I had this friend as teen that would put wine in his bongs and smoke through it and sometimes drink it the sick fuck. And we are not talking Napa Valley, Groth or Fransican. We are talkin Boones Farm, or Annie Green Springs!!! LOL.
Hmm, Boones Farm or Annie Green Springs bong juice would likely improve the palate of those two. Your friend may have been on to something
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I really do not get why this is even going on. I would think the city council would be compelled by either shire, county, or country law in such matters unless no statue on historical buildings / sites is clear. If Jimmy's house is a Grade I, Heritage at Risk building, it seems common sense that all structures surrounding said structure (plus the structure itself) would be prohibited from certain types of renovation / excavation to prevent damage or change the original historical design and / or architecture. Why even designate something a Grade I building if there are no real regulations to protect it? Does this mean if some wealthy asshole decides to purchase a building next to Shakespeare's house in Stratford-upon-Avon they can do the same thing William's is doing and the only mechanism to potentially stop them would be a legal challenge by the current owner, Shakespeare Birthplace Trust?
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39 minutes ago, gibsonfan159 said:
I don't know if I'd even put Landover 5/30 in the excellent category. The best of the run, but still nothing special.
I have to disagree with your assessment of 5/30 as well as 6/22, to me they are both excellent shows but to each their own.
Also, I know I am in the minority here but I prefer the whole of the NY run with the exception of 6-7 to almost all of the LA run. To me NY is tighter.
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21 hours ago, rm2551 said:
Exactly.
As I said, leading the free world. Lol...
100 years from now, Canada will be all smug. "Yeah, we were the first, remember?" - and so they should be.
But what most do not realize is what a massive fuck you Canada just did to American capitalism and showed what a moron Trump and his minions are. As a result of this legalization, Canada will become the world's grower and distributor and as a result will own the market and make billions annually. As the US and other countries missed the boat and waited too long, Canada finally did the deal and they will reap the rewards. BC has some of the best land and climate tailor made to grow the green, as well as Nova Scotia, Newfoundland, and southern Quebec (seasonally of course).
I will bet you several American companies will be licking Trudeau's balls for a sweet share of that market, and he will tell them, with a smile and a handshake, sorry...you're not my buddy, guy.
Canada is going to be laughing all the way to the banc.
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JUST LEGALIZED WEED RECREATIONALLY FOR THE WHOLE DAMN COUNTRY
GO CANADA !!!
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2 hours ago, ForEvermore said:
Well said - I was confused because I was sure that you did know. You are very knowledgable with films in general.
Yes, Connery, like many creative people, is "complicated" and not always cuddly. I totally agree about the original "Thunderball", my personal favorite by quite a distance. The underwater fight scene at the end STILL blows my mind - that was so complex I bet it almost required choreography!
I dunno, think it was better than this little gem
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1 hour ago, ForEvermore said:
You mean "Thunderball - 80s version"?
It wasn't an official film. I think it came out the same time as Octopussy - that was the official Bond film at the time.
Yep, I know, I was being cheeky. I am not a fan of that movie as Thunderball was perfect in 1965, the 83' version was nowhere near as good and Connery simply did the film as a fuck you to Broccoli. I like Connery as an actor but as a guy he is a bit of an arrogant prick.
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What about Never Say Never Again????
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27 minutes ago, gibsonfan159 said:
Nitpicking Page 3/16/1973 Vienna, Austria (Danke! Vienna- Winston Remaster)
Page's reputation for this show is legendary, but let's see how he holds up to a nitpick. A boomy audience recording spliced with a soundboard. Sound quality varies. Excellent guitar tone btw, one of the crunchiest I've heard him use.
Rock And Roll- A murky sound, but the guitar is cutting through good. Solo- He plays this very loosely, really stressing the bends and leaving gaps. Not bad but sounds unstructured. Excellent finish by Bonham for a solid version. "B+".
OTHAFA- Good intro with a crunchy guitar tone. Plant sounds rough going into the chorus. Solo- Page shifts his phrasing up nicely, bouncing from speedy runs to perfectly played pedal steel bends without straining or overdoing anything. 3:24 is the type of short, speedy run that was easily played by Page at anytime pre-75. 3:43, Page struggles with these chords a little. 4:32, scratchy Plant. Good ending for a decent version. "B+".
Black Dog- Page plays the main riff with supreme attitude and swagger. 1:48, double bass by Bonham makes this border on the "Death and Roll" genre. Solo- 4:01-4:12, good phrasing. A little inarticulate at 4:13. 4:37, menacing low note bends. This solo makes me wanna stop listening and jam some myself. "A".
Misty Mountain Hop- Plant dedicates this to "Big Brother". The feedback on the intro sounds awesome. Not much to point out on this song, except how the palm mutes make it sound extremely heavy. Plant is a litlle scratchy throughout and the solo is solid. "A".
SIBLY- Blazing intro. 1:04, nice SRV style bend. 1:10-1:16, lightning runs of the like that were never heard again after 73. 3:13, them trills. 3:20-3:28, the man's on fire. Solo- 3:54, one of the meanest sounding riffs ever by Page. Excellent solo, seemingly too short. 6:36, good scream from Plant. A huge problem with the 1973 SIBLY's- Plant is almost irrelevant. He was the showcase up to 72 and after 73 Page had to dial it back a bit which let Plant have equal ground, but in late 72 and 73 Plant might as well have went for a walk while Page schooled the world on badass blues riffs. "A".
Dancing Days- 0:16, squeaking days are here again. 2:32, Page improvs a riff that is seemingly out of key. 3:15, now it may have been intended, but this series of runs sound off. The song ends abruptly. "B" for some bad structuring and looseness, though this is the first nitpick for this track.
Bronyaur Stomp- Page's guitar comes in very thin with some feedback. Bonham's bass drum comes in like thunder. Breakdown- 3:00, guitar fades in and out abruptly. If the taper did this he should be slaughtered. Good atmosphere despite the recording flaws. "A".
TSRTS- 1:09, something sounds off with these riffs. 1:50, Page is a little late on the beat. First solo- Page obviously doesn't have the live solo downpact yet. It's very erratic and poorly phrased. Plant's vocals fade on the returning verses. 3:33, very nice. Page had some trouble doing this beyond 73. Outro solo- Not only better, but honestly amazing. The bit at 4:24 is astounding and should have been a staple for this part. A few flubs keep it at a "B+".
The Rain Song- 1:59, flub. The mellotron sounds like a movie playing in the background. 4:08, the vocals come in very distorted. Rock section- Nice guitar work from Page, the rest is hard to make out but sounds pretty good. It may be a bad recording, but I'd honestly take any 75 version over this one. "B+".
Dazed And Confused- Can anyone make out what the guy said at 0:18? 2:53, knocked on my backside. 3:53-4:02, that's one large set of triplets. 4:25, Page turns down his volume knob for this noodling. First workout- 5:10, this is honestly pretty sloppy. 6:09-6:27, the kind of extended, fluid run that was rare after 73. San Francisco- Sounding good, and don't let Bonham's intricate drumwork go unnoticed. Bow section- Very dynamic with good interplay with Plant. Second workout- 14:46-15:05, another reminder of that level of awesomeness Page was able to tap into in 73. 17:21-17:28, excellent pull off run. 20:06, Page showing off a little. The Mars section is very loose, but comes out alright. 23:16, one of the most energetic climax sections I've heard. Good noodling on the finale with Bonzo destroying his kit. "A+".
Stairway To Heaven- 3:19, good playing on the Rhodes by Jones. 4:12, an echo of laughter. Solo- A relaxed start. 7:11, those lightning fingers. 7:36, a wrong note. Good final runs. Plant sounds rough coming back in. A fairly solid version though the solo was almost too laid back. "B+".
WLL- The title track is solid with some decent improv riffs. Boogie Chillun- Good except for wrong notes at 7:58. Baby I Don't Care- Not bad, maybe a little unstructured. Let's Have A Party- Much better. I Can't Quit You- A slightly subdued, straight blues sounding performance, but Page still puts down some impressive runs. The solo features a fantastic array of blistering blues licks, way too many for me to time stamp. A good medley but it lacks the atmosphere of the earlier ones. 22:25, Page flubs that phrase. "B+".
Heartbreaker- Awesome intro jam and that guitar tone sounds killer. Some of Bonham's fills sound surprisingly too loose, almost flub level. Solo- Pretty standard with nothing really noteworthy. The "Bouree" part is played nicely. "A".
Final assessment- Page plays very loose, almost careless at times, which shows his confidence and mastery over the fretboard during this era. He could go in any direction and still sound in control, though he certainly wasn't flawless. Plant is semi-scratchy most of the show, but the rest of the band make up for that, with Bonzo also matching the intensity of Page. The highlights- A menacing Black Dog, intense SIBLY, and devastating Dazed. Also a unique TSRTS. It almost seems like a necessary balance of the universe for Plant's vocals to have diminished by this era, because a 1970 sounding Plant in 73 would've simply been too much to handle.
For those who say Page played on par with 73 in later years; Page did play some songs on the same technical level. He did do some runs that were reminiscent of earlier shows. He did do things after 73 that were beyond anything he had done before. He did match, and in a lot of cases outdo, the energy level of a lot of shows. But there's a certain element of Page's mentality that ceased to exist after the 1973 tour. He was able to access a level of ingenuity and power over the fretboard that let him play with full confidence, where even his mistakes seemed like a racecar driver almost losing it on a tight turn. He was able to play with a flow that was awe-inspiring for listeners and musicians alike. He was able to convey an attitude into the strings that almost seemed like he had to hold back to keep it from outshining the other members or committing overkill. At any time he chose he could let his fingers fly on a lightning fast, articulate run, whereas later on this sort of thing only happened on his better nights. Maybe he just switched drugs, who knows. But the totality that was the 1973 Jimmy Page was never seen or heard again, at least as far as I've heard. He tapped into something that year, like a kung-fu master who could toy with his opponents and still defeat them without really trying. Next up- 7/6 Chicago, the worst of 73.
Drugs, plain and simple. Opiods in general cause a serious lack of focus especially regarding structure and improv. Take into account Page was adding jazz and experimental structures to his solos which, if sober, would have been an amazing journey. However, juiced on heroin and your focus is shot, this also explains his repletion of a phrase or run while trying to work out a passage until he just gives up. He simply cannot focus. This is bad enough but adding alcohol to that mix then causes the sticky fingers as well. As Strider pointed out in another post, his good nights 77' and after were the result of better smack and not mixing with booze. 75' issues are a combo of his broken finger and Jack Daniels as pointed out that he would really hit a wall after Moby Dick once the Jack started kicking in. However some shows in 75' he just dove right into the Jack whereas others, the ones where he obviously was not drinking as much, he easily surpassed anything he did before.
Just say no kiddies
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The problem is, technology of the late 70's, even if the footage was shot for closed circuit in house TV for sky boxes or a video feed for the audience, would be shit. Unless it was pro-shot, which I highly doubt, and recorded with a mobile studio, even more doubtful, Page would only have the video feed and a cold, sterile soundboard.
They planned on professionally filming and recording the last shows (JFK Stadium, Phili) of the aborted third leg of the tour and thus had zero desire to do anything prior as Page and Grant were tight as a Mormon on tax day.
There is no pro-shot, pro-recorded shows from 1977. Time to move on.
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On 6/13/2018 at 10:19 AM, Bonzo_fan said:
I second that. And the Cleveland, Pontiac, Birmingham & New York shows...
I am probably in the minority but not a big fan of the Ft. Worth gig, Jimmy is just a mess in places. Now the second Cleveland show, Pontiac, Birmingham, and all but one NY gig are all simply amazing shows. Pontiac is almost flawless as are the four of the six NY shows. I never heard Birmingham but people have said it is also very good.
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11 hours ago, Policeman Dressed in Blue said:
... Can I hear the story?
There are pics of Robert during the photo shoot for the Knebworth shows where his pants are down and his nob is dangling. The lads are all looking at him and laughing.
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27 minutes ago, Bonzo_fan said:
I can review Tempe for you: 💩
At least that is a happy turd which is much better than a sad turd.
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^ Oh you gonna hate me, I have almost that exact same guitar (Gibson LP wine red) except mine is a Studio with coil splitting and I love the shit outta it. It is my #1 and is just perfect.
My dream guitar is either a Gibson Birdland or a PRS semi-hollow body custom model. However both are way outside my budget at this point.
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7 hours ago, gibsonfan159 said:
Nitpicking Page 7/17/1977 (Conquering Kingdome)
Black Country Woman- "It's about the lousiest possible thing you can do is to throw firecrackers". No Rob, cheating on your wife with her sister and writing a song about it is. Let's take a listen lol. A solid version. "A".
This right here was worth the whole review. Damn you made me laugh and I really needed it today.
Naughty, naughty Mr. Plant.
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6-23-77
5-18-75
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14 hours ago, redrum said:
I didn't know that. Too much gun for Frank. Yeah, a snubby would be more his style. I always liked when Scorpio tells Harry to show the gun and he says: My.....That's a big one!' 😄
The character actor who played Scorpio also played Garak on Deep Space Nine and was one of, if not thee best actor of the whole series.
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