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  1. Oh, you're right. I mixed egotism up with irrationality, there. (Can't imagine why. ) So folks may make up their own minds: http://www.manicnirvana.com/ Hey HotPlant, look for my "JIMMY PAGE IS UNBELIEVABLY GREAT" thread, coming soon. Heck, if a single pro-Page post can start all this, think what a whole thread can accomplish!
  2. LOL, honestly. Honey, they can have him. No hero of mine is so weak he needs constant attention and praise and cannot withstand thoughtful analysis. Besides, had I remained a Plant fan, I'd have to hang around with a bunch of nauseatingly fawning, self-congratulatory and one-note fans. No, thank you. I did talk about Page's accomplishments: http://forums.ledzeppelin.com/index.php?s=...st&p=301946 As per usual, Plant's insecure gaggle wasn't interested in discussing Jimmy Page. It doesn't matter where I attempt to start such a discussion, people are standing by 24/7 to jump in and change the topic to Robert, and ridicule and put down others... oh, so kindly, like little elves, impish as Plant himself... welcome to "HiBob Mania." Now, back to the topic I've been tryting to discuss - I think it was industry changing, the cover of LZ IV. Have an opinion on that? Jimmy Page came up with that, you know, fought Ahmet Ertegun tooth and nail. Legendary, that is. Prince should kiss Page's feet, concering the whole symbol thing, don't you think?
  3. Poor thing. I hope you get better soon.
  4. Thanks Buckeye, that's cool! Happy solstice, everyone!
  5. Yes, that was John Paul Jones's aim, I believe. Maybe this discussion also belongs in that thread about the humor in Zeppelin songs? "Hey guys, let's watch people try and dance to THIS!"
  6. Where in this thread have I expressed dislike or criticism of Robert Plant? Quotes, please. You know what's a shame? I used to love Robert Plant. I got back into Zeppelin because I was impressed how vital "Might Rearranger" is, and it led me back where I belong. Then, I experienced "hiBob Mania" (good one!) Before a year was out, my ardor for Plant was done. You want unobjective, baseless, insane, even pointless? Read some of his followers; they give sycophancy new meaning. Their inability to think critically (and by that I do not mean just negatively) is no recommendation for Plant, no matter what they think. Yet somehow, there's something wrong with me (I'm a jilted lover in my fantasies now, huh? - yeah, Hot Plant, the kindness is overwhelming) because I don't think "Fortune Teller" is the musical equivalent of any single given guitar solo in "No Quarter?" (Wait, am I on the Led Zeppelin board? ) So, have I talked enough about Robert now? Can we go back to under-discussed topics like Page's technical and business savvy (and innovations), his visual artistry, the fact that as a guitarist he's much more than a riff master? Seriously, folks, acknowledging Page's singular contributions to Zeppelin is not a put down of Robert Plant, or anyone else.
  7. Please show where I denied the band's success being due to all four of them? What I said was, it took a great producer and band leader to keep that together and moving onward for so long. Producing the records is a job all its own, and can indeed make or break a band (speaking of the Yardbirds). That's just a fact. You seem to disagree; perhaps you'd care to actually discuss it? That is, Jimmy's part in the band's success, then and now? As an aside, do you and Kentucky Girl want to know why the Plant vs. Page thing will never die? It's Plant's fans' inability to be reasonable on this topic, and simply give Page his due. His. I haven't written about Plant in several posts now, and here you are discussing him again. I am writing about Page's accomplishments in music, responding to Mick Wall and other people implying that he has something to prove about his artistry. Hell, Wall thinks his lack of recent output is "tragic"... is that really your idea of utmost respect? Because I think it's the opposite. (I also think it's Wall trying to mind fuck the master - well, good luck, buddy! ) Me, I'm deeply grateful for his playing in "Dazed and Confused" alone. There's more than one span of guitar playing here and there throughout that catalog and on bootlegs that have healed my very soul. Is that ok to say outloud, or must I also add, well of course Robert is FANTASTIC, every time? Lack of discussion of Robert Plant for two pages is not perpetuating some kind of bashing party, honest. What a lovely post! Cheers!
  8. What made me smile today: Christmas Carols for the Mentally Challenged 1. Schizophrenia --- Do You Hear What I Hear? 2. Multiple Personality Disorder --- We Three Queens Disoriented Are 3. Amnesia --- I Don't Know if I'll be Home for Christmas 4. Narcissistic --- Hark! the Herald Angels Sing About Me 5. Manic --- Deck the Halls and Walls and House and Lawn and Streets and Stores and Office and Town and Cars and Buses and Trucks and Trees and Fire Hydrants 6. Paranoid --- Santa Claus is Coming to Get Me 7. Borderline Personality Disorder --- Thoughts of Roasting Someone on an Open Fire 8. Full Personality Disorder --- You Better Watch Out, I'm Gonna Cry, I'm Gonna Pout, Maybe I'll tell You Why 9. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder ---Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells ... 10. Agoraphobia --- I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day, But I'm not leaving My House 11. Senile Dementia --- Walking in a Winter Wonderland Miles From My House in My Slippers and Robe 12. Oppositional Defiant Disorder --- I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus So I Burned Down the House Also, IT'S FRIDAY!!
  9. The contingent on this board who give Plant his due can't even handle it when someone does nothing more than give Jimmy Page his propers...
  10. Well, there's a whole contingent of folks who give Plant his due. I think that's well covered. I disagree that Jimmy's work away from the stage and the guitar played a small role in Led Zeppelin's success and longevity. Yes, the chemistry among them all, and between him and Plant, was remarkable and played a part, and the amazing talent and musicianship of all of them did too. But that's not all it took; a bad producer could've fucked that up and then some. A band leader with less comittment and more "lead player's disease," someone who didn't believe in allowing other people's wills to come out, especially amongst that group of heavy hitters, well, I shudder to think. The history of bands is filled with talented, charismatic people who are one hit wonders. Someone else said the Beatles have George Martin, and Zeppelin has Page, and I agree with that. Page found his niche, and it's mind blowing and soul inspiring. He proved he can still stir it up on December 10, 2007... and people have been waiting with excitement ever since. (No little kudos to the others, I hasten to add.) If you admire Plant's accomplishments, shouldn't you at least be as impressed with what Page has accomplished? Instead some people, on this site, in the press and among musicians, have climbed aboard a spin machine of trying to shame or embarass or guilt or encourage Page into performing without Robert; or else suggesting it's crazy for him to even consider performing without Robert (talk about damned if you do, damned if you don't.) I'm not sure what they want Page to prove. That he can write music? Produce records? Play the guitar? How about, lead the biggest rock band in the world and then keep its music vital and alive from generation to generation? Not good enough, or at least, there are those who keep asking, "sure, but what have you done LATELY?" (Really, would these folks finally be impressed if he did a cover of the Everly Brothers' "Bye Bye Love?") At any rate, I'm sure it's true Page has "potential," because to me, it's awe-inspiring how much he's realized it. (edited to correct grammar, ironically.)
  11. Thank you both. Yeah, it's unfortunate that's the road Wall chose to go down to raise some sand about his book.
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