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ZepHead315

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  1. ZepHead315

    The space before the live decline

    Fair enough. I guess I was being overly harsh on the Stones. I'll readily admit I haven't listened to as many Stones concerts as I have Zeppelin concerts, but I've always found the Stones live to be a bit dull. Some nice moments here and there, but I've never been all that impressed. With Zeppelin, even on something like the 77 tour where the setlist changed very little, I always find nuggets in each and every show I've listened to, no matter how sloppy or self-indulgent they are. Ultimately though, it's all a matter of taste.
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    The space before the live decline

    Except I never said that other bands couldn't match them. I said that many bands on their best night couldn't match Zeppelin on their worst night. And the truth is that quite a few bands, especially in rock, suck live. The examples that you cited are rarities, and some of them aren't even fair comparisons to make. The Ramones? Stevie Wonder? The Clash? Really? According to what criteria do they "match" Zeppelin? Technical skill? Speed? Volume? Emotion? Songwriting? Those artists have a completely different approach to live music than Zeppelin did. And in any case, it's all subjective so I'm not quite sure why you have such a problem with this. It's not like I said "from an objective standpoint, Led Zeppelin live at Tempe 1977 were the best live band ever and anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot who doesn't know the slightest thing about music". All I'm doing is stating an opinion. Let me further delve into my opinion: Even at their most self-indulgent, Zeppelin were one of those bands that was always experimenting and giving the audience something new and different each time. The jams in songs like No Quarter, Dazed and Confused, How Many More Times, and Whole Lotta Love among other songs were always different. No two versions of those songs are the exact same. That's one of the reasons I love listening to them live. I'll take three hours of Led Zeppelin taking turns soloing and showing off over two hours of the Stones playing the same tired old setlist the same way night after night.
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    The space before the live decline

    I partly agree in the sense that the band definitely started to become more inconsistent starting in the 1973 US tour. Prior to that tour, the band (minus Plant) almost always delivered. Sure, there were occasionally shows that were uninspired or sloppy, but they were few and far between, and even the weakest shows had something to offer. But on that tour, you start to hear Jimmy struggle a bit here and there. There are some shows where both him and Plant are struggling (ex. Chicago 7/6). This inconsistency crops up more in 75, with Jimmy's playing being a noticeable step down and Robert dealing with his flu. 1977 is where Jimmy's playing is even further declined, although Plant is better. One thing I disagree with you on is that Jimmy was never the same live after 1973. The Copenhagen warm ups, the Outrider tour, and the 1998 Page/Plant tour all showed that Jimmy still had some fire in him. The problem was that the drugs were hampering his ability to focus. Copenhagen 7/24/79 is one of my all time favorite shows precisely because it opens a window into what the band could have sounded like in the 80s had Bonzo and Jimmy gotten themselves clean. LA 77 may not have Jimmy on quite that level, but he's still damn good, and there's a noticeable fire and energy in the band that's missing from many of the other 77 gigs. I also don't agree entirely with Jonesy being the one who ruined the 77 setlist with NQ. Yes, the jams were long, but I can listen to the band jamming on that song with no trouble at all. The interplay between the three instrumentalists is always fascinating to me. Sure, Jimmy could sometimes be sloppy, but Bonzo and Jones almost always delivered. Imho, what truly disrupted that setlist was the back to back drum and noise solos. What the hell they were thinking putting those two slots side by side?! Must have been the drugs. Regardless, all the momentum of the setlist is lost by putting them together. If they were gonna have both slots, they should have spaced them out more. All in all, I'd agree that the band was better overall in 68-72 because they were much more consistent and all four of them were at or near the peak of their powers. They were determined to blow the crowd away and weren't concerned with "smoke and mirrors" so to speak. That being said, there IS a charm to the latter era shows for me. Take the 77 tour. I will never argue that it's one of their best tours technically, but it was their biggest and most visually stunning tour, and there's a certain charm to that for sure. Every era of Zeppelin has its charms and, while we can definitely agree that Plant should have taken care of his voice or Page should have laid off the drugs or whatever, I adore all eras for different reasons. At the end of the day, Zeppelin on their worst night were better than many bands on their best night.
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    What show or live song are you listening to now?

    You are very lucky to have been there. I can only imagine how psyched the crowd was to see them. Meanwhile folks like me can only dream!
  5. Apologies if this has been discussed already (did a quick search and couldn't find anything), but does anyone know anything about the 2nd source for this show? Apparently, it hasn't made its way into trading circles, but it's known to exist. Here's a description from Argenteum Astrum: Discussion on Royal Orleans seems to have revealed scant information as well. Anyone know anything more about this?
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    What show or live song are you listening to now?

    Finally got around to listening to this. What a great show!
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    Berkeley (Going to California)

    Haven't heard the Graf Zeppelin version, but Dadgad did an excellent remaster using the original vinyl.
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    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    I hear you, and I do agree that Plant in 77 was still a shell of his former self. But I'd argue he was definitely better on the whole than he was in 75 or 73. He could at least sing many of the songs, even if his power was diminished. In 75 he was croaking and cracking all over the place and almost all the opening songs from the shows are downright cringeworthy, especially if you're new to live Zeppelin.
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    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    Plant is not to the level he was in 68-72, but he's still miles better in 77 than in 75 or 73. His range is much improved and he rarely cracks or croaks. Here is Plant on what is considered a "good" night for him in 1975: And here is Plant on a good night in 1977: Are you honestly telling me you hear no difference? He sounds hoarse and low for pretty much all of 1975. In 1977, with a couple of exceptions (Seattle, Tempe) he's got a much better range and sounds strong. Like I said, he's certainly not back to the level he was in his early years. But to say he couldn't sing is false. He's better in 77 than 73 or 75 that's for sure.
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    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    If you're strictly talking about STH, I think the LA 77 versions equal if not surpass the version from Earls Court. The version on For Badgeholders Only especially is fantastic and one of my all time favorites. I'm no guitar player, but this solo sounds great to my ears.
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    Best version of Detroit 7/12/73?

    What is the version of this show to get? I've heard good things about it and I really want to take a listen but I'm not sure which release, if any, is considered definitive.
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    Best version of Detroit 7/12/73?

    Thanks everyone! Looks like I'll be seeking out the Graf Zeppelin version.
  13. This is a compilation I put together of the soundboards from Zeppelin’s 1977 US tour, patched together to flow like one concert. These soundboards all come from different sources and remasters, so the sound quality varies a little bit. I’ve also excluded the Seattle show from the compilation because, for one, it is not technically a soundboard but merely a soundtrack from the video. Also, it’s not really a very good performance. Here are the shows I used along with their respective versions: Cleveland April 27th – Doctor Who (Winston Remaster) Fort Worth May 22nd – Liriodendron Remaster Landover May 25th – Remastered by a friend who wishes to remain anonymous Landover May 26th – Pseudonym Remaster Landover May 30th – Liriodendron Remaster New York June 7th – Remastered by a friend who wishes to remain anonymous New York June 11th – Mast and unknown gen source 1-2 merge remaster (used to patch the beginning of No Quarter) New York June 11th – sbd Reel DAT SPC (used for the remainder of No Quarter) Special thanks to Sue Dounim, Winston, Liriodendron and all those who took the time to remaster and provide these sources. Track Listing: 1. Intro – Fort Worth 5/22 2. The Song Remains The Same – Fort Worth 5/22 3. The Rover/Sick Again – Fort Worth 5/22 4. Nobody’s Fault But Mine – Fort Worth 5/22 5. In My Time of Dying – Landover 5/25 6. Since I’ve Been Loving You – Landover 5/30 7. No Quarter – New York 6/11 8. Ten Years Gone – Landover 5/30 9. The Battle of Evermore – Landover 5/30 10. Going to California – New York 6/7 11. Dancing Days – Landover 5/26 12. Black Country Woman – Cleveland 4/27 13. Bron-Y-Aur Stomp – Cleveland 4/27 14. White Summer/Black Mountain Side – Landover 5/30 15. Kashmir – Landover 5/30 16. Over the Top – Fort Worth 5/22 17. Guitar Solo – Landover 5/25 18. Achilles Last Stand – Landover 5/25 19. Stairway to Heaven – Landover 5/30 20. Whole Lotta Love/Rock and Roll – Landover 5/30 21. Trampled Underfoot – Cleveland 4/27 22. It’ll Be Me – Fort Worth 5/22 FLAC Download Link: https://mega.nz/#F!jrpUCAiS!GdCMWcjIOoPuAx0jkQRglQ
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    Nitpicking Page 1979

    An excellent review of an outstanding show. I too am wondering whether Page was perhaps sober for this gig. His playing certainly seems much more focused and he's doing things that would have been unthinkable in any other show from 73 onwards. I always point to this show when people say Page lost it forever after 1973. This is the band's last truly great show imho. I totally agree. It also provides a preview for how good Zeppelin could have been in the 80s if they had just cleaned themselves up. Imagine a sober Page, a sober(ish) Bonham, and a vocal coach to teach Plant how to preserve his voice. God they could have been incredible! Alas, I guess it just wasn't meant to be.
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    Cleveland 4/28/77 alternate source

    Was this Destroyer set the soundboard from the 27th (which cuts in during TSRTS and has a cut in the middle of No Quarter) or the audience recording of the 28th (which has the taper saying "oh fuck!" and is cut between songs)? Imho, this new audience recording, while inferior, is not that huge of a step down. And we had an inkling it would be inferior anyway based on the description from AA. Given how this Black Beauty sample has been botched up (overly compressed/equalized, etc.) I would think the 24/96 version sounds better. I'm just happy we now have pretty much the entire show.
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    Beautiful Women

    Young Jennifer Connelly in Career Opportunities. Ugh!
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    Cleveland 4/28/77 alternate source

    Sampling this right now and, brickwalling aside, it doesn't sound that bad. A bit more distant, some slight channel fluctuations here and there, and a bit of distortion on the top end, but I've heard worse. Much worse. If the description for this source on AA is accurate (ie. tape cuts, etc.) then this would be a nice way of patching the gaps in the old source. I hope the 24/96 version gets shared soon!
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    Led Zeppelin - 1977 Soundboard Compilation

    MSG, though I'm unsure which date.
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    Nitpicking Page 1979

    Ok, I admittedly missed that part lol. But apart from Achilles, I don't think the energy flags for the last half of the show. May be some nerves here and there, but they're playing with a passion that I don't hear in most of the 75 and 77 shows. Also, they were dealing with equipment issues both nights, which might explain flubs such as the beginning of Rock and Roll. I'd say that for their first performance in two years, this is nothing short of a miracle. If you go back to 1/12/75 or 4/3/77, they're clearly under rehearsed and it shows. I don't know if they rehearsed more for this show, or if they just got focused, but either way, I'd still say this is a great show all things considered.
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