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Shankly

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  1. New album from Big Big Train - 'Grimspound' is wonderful. Beautifully played prog rock with evocative lyrics. Great band with a guest vocal spot from original Fairport Convention singer Judy Dyble.
  2. I saw them a few times back in the 70s, including the Liverpool Stadium gig that Space Ritual was partly recorded at. They were a great experience live.
  3. It'd be 'Going to California'. When I was at school, back in the 70's there was one cool kid who had a copy of this - bootlegs were virtually unobtainable in those days. We all borrowed and taped it and played it over and over. It seem weird now when virtually every Zep bootleg is now available at the click of a mouse! i can't believe anyone would 'not care to' listen to Zeppelin bootlegs. Despite the brilliance of the studio albums, Zeppelin were primarily a live band and are sadly under represented in official live releases. Luckily, many superb concerts were preserved for posterity by bootleggers and have contributed enormously to enhancing Zeppelin's reputation as the greatest rock band of all time.
  4. My top 10 1. Blood ceremony- Blood ceremony 2. Half Man half Biscuit - CSI Ambleside 3. Skiltron - Beheading the liars 4. Black Stone Cherry - Folklore and superstition 5. The Hold Steady - Stay positive 6. Amon Amarth - Twilight of the Thunder God 7. Emmylou Harris - All I intended to be 8. Battlelore - The last alliance 9. Sabaton - The art of war 10.Elvis Costello - Momofuku
  5. The Gabriel era Genesis is the only Genesis really worth listening to. The first 2 post Gabriel albums are just about bearable, but after that... You have to listen to Supper's Ready from Foxtrot. It's simply stunning. Incidentally, if you ever get the chance, go to see The Musical Box, the Genesis tribute band. It's the nearest you'll ever get to seeing the real thing unless a time machine is invented! Peter Gabriel has said he's taken his kids to see them, so they'd know what he used to be like. Genesis also gave them copies of the slides they used as backdrops for added authenticity.
  6. Go for the early stuff by Wishbone Ash - especially 'Argus' - that's an amazing album
  7. I've only recently started getting into black metal/ death metal (and I'm 52!). I must admit I find it hard to distinguish between all of the different metal genres, so probably a lot of the stuff I've been listening to isn't strictly black metal - I suppose I lean more towards the folk metal stuff really. I found the vocals hard to get used to at first, although I don't mind it so much now (although I still prefer 'clean' vocals). I've been listening to... Candlemass Cruachan Bal Sagorth Drudkh Summoning Battlelore Turisas Korpiklaani Satyricon Skyclad Skiltron Graveland amongst others. it's good to find lots of new music when you're my age!
  8. Yes - it's bollocks! the thought that they'd go to that much effort for a fake is ludicrous. the landings were tracked by amateur astronomers all over the world - they couldn't all be in on the conspiracy. have a look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_e...o_Moon_landings
  9. Apart from England, Scotland and Wales Soviet Union Italy Germany France Belgium that's it...
  10. The service at the Cenotaph yesterday was extremely moving, especially the presence of the last 3 British surviving servicemen from WW1. From MOD website The three last surviving British veterans from World War I were among political leaders, Service personnel, veterans and members of the public commemorating the 90th Anniversary of the end of World War I, today, Tuesday 11 November 2008.On the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, 1918, the guns of the western front fell silent. Six hours earlier the Armistice Treaty had been signed by the Allies and Germany in a railway carriage in a forest in France. Today, French President Nicolas Sarkozy was joined by Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall in Verdun, North East France, to attend the Armistice Day ceremony where tributes were paid to all those who died, as well as those who lost fathers and sons during the war. In Whitehall, London, thousands of people lined the streets to pay their respects to those who died during the Great War and to look on as the three last surviving British veterans from WWI laid wreaths in memory of their fellow servicemen at the Cenotaph. Henry Allingham, Harry Patch and Bill Stone, who served during World War I, received a standing ovation as they made their way past the crowds to pay their respects to the one million British and Commonwealth troops who died during the four years of conflict. A two minute silence was held at 1100 hrs. Speaking at the service, Mr Patch said: "I am very happy to be here today. It is not just an honour for me, but for an entire generation. It is important to remember the dead from both sides of the conflict. Irrespective of the uniforms we wore, we were all victims." Assisting the veterans in laying the wreaths were three decorated members of today's Armed Forces, Lance Corporal Johnson Beharry Victoria Cross, Marine Mkhuseli Jones Military Cross, and Flight Lieutenant Michelle Goodman, Distinguished Flying Cross. Also in attendance were Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Defence Ministers, including Secretary of State for Defence Rt Hon John Hutton MP, Minister for International Defence and Security Rt Hon Baroness Ann Taylor, and Under Secretary of State for Defence and Minister for Defence Equipment and Support Quentin Davies MP. Secretary of State for Defence John Hutton said: "The First World War devastated a generation of men and women and left an indelible mark on the Twentieth Century. Today, as we commemorate the 90th Anniversary of the Armistice, the actual events of the First World War will have long since faded from common memory. However, it is important for us to remember the sacrifices that were made by that brave generation and try to repay the debt of gratitude that we all owe to them." Another ceremony was held at the National Memorial Arboretum, Staffordshire, where there was also a two-minute silence, as well as a Royal Air Force flypast. The memorial at this ceremony was designed so that at exactly 1100 hrs, a shaft of sunlight would pass through it to illuminate a wreath on the central plinth. The three surviving veterans from WWI (in wheelchairs), L-R: Henry Allingham, assisted by Flight Lieutenant Michelle Goodman DFC [Distinguished Flying Cross](on Henry's left), Harry Patch, assisted by Lance Corporal Johnson Beharry VC [Victoria Cross](on Harry's right), and Bill Stone, assisted by Marine Mkhuseli Jones MC [Military Cross] (on Bill's right)
  11. I'd incude the use of the word literally, when one doesn't mean literally. 'I did it literally millions of times' Number 8 is simply bad English.
  12. A girl is in a bar and she starts talking to a bloke who is wearing a t-shirt with a picture of a tractor on it. They get on well and he takes her back to his house. There is a tractor parked outside and when she goes in, there are posters of tractors on the walls and model tractors everywhere. He has back copies of 'What tractor weekly' on the coffee table. They go to bed and when he undresses he has a big tattoo of a tractor on his chest. Despite all of this, the relationship continues and eventually he asks her to marry him. She agrees, but on the condition that he gets rid of all of the tractor memorabilia. Because he loves her, he agrees to do this. He redecorates the house, bins all of his posters and models, cancels his subscription to his magazines and even has laser treatment to remove his tattoo and they get married. 6 months later, they are returning home from a night out when they see that their house is on fire. 'Quick, call the fire brigade' she says, but he says 'No' and he starts to breath in deeply - all of the smoke and flames are sucked away from the house and eventually, the fire goes out. 'How did you do that?' she says. 'Oh - I'm an ex tractor fan' he replies.
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    England

    I remember that day like it was yesterday - my Grandfather, (who saw his first Liverpool game before the first world war) - paid for me to go to Rome as a 21st birthday present (giving my age away there). There were about 25,000 Liverpool fans in Rome that day and we took over the city. What a great day.
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    England

    I had the good luck to meet the great man himself many years ago. The conversation went thus: Me: 'Can I have your autograph please Mr Shankly?' BS: 'Aye son' Not one of the great exchanges, I admit, but it meant the world to a 12 year old boy!
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    England

    Good to see the support for Liverpool from the posters above. I've lived in Liverpool all of my life and I'm a fanatical Liverpool supporter - I went to my first game in 1967 and have been a regular ever since. I'll be at Anfield tonight for the match against Athletico Madrid. If anyone wants any information about Liverpool or has any questions, feel free to ask me, either on here or by PM - I'll be glad to help wherever I can.
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    The Athiest thread

    i know what you mean - there are plenty of scientists who have religious belief and, although I'm an athiest, I can understand the argument that a God 'started things off' and then the universe went about its merry way and ended up as we are now. I happen not to believe that, but I can understand why people choose to have that belief. In many ways it fits with the beliefs of the majority of christians in Europe - although perhaps not in the USA! I find it harder to accept when people fly in the face of the evidence, such as creationism, and believe something for which there is no evidence. I don't think that we are a mistake. You could say that we are inevitable, as the conditions in the world in which we live have shaped us through evolutionary pressure to become what we are. We are not an accident, nor are we random.
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    The Athiest thread

    It's Ok Nathan - I know what you meant - I was really backing you up i suppose - the response was more aimed at the guy who said 'Evolution is a theory'
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    The Athiest thread

    afaik, Roman catholicism accepts that evolution is true, again, as God's tools for creation. To my knowledge, The Church of England, or at least most of its adherents, also accept evolution. My wife is a devout Christian and a regular churchgoer and finds the creationist argument laughable, as do most people in the church that I know. It is really only in the USA that there is any real argument over this - evolution is a theory in name, but the weight of evidence in support is so huge that it is to all intents and purposes proven to be true. The weight of evidence continues to grow with every discovery in DNA research and there is no serious evidence that supports any other theory. You can say that the earth revolving around the sun is a theory - it seems obvious to anyone looking that the sun goes around us - but all of the evidence supports the opposite.
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    The Athiest thread

    i wasn't suggesting that it did - I don't know enough about quantum physics to argue sensibly - I was merely suggesting that positing that an intelligence started things is an even more unlikely answer as it then begs the question of who created the creator? The 'God of the gaps' argument is not very strong anyway. just because we don't (currently) know the answer to something doesn't mean that the answer must be that God did it. I think it was Carl Sagan that said that any sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic. In other words, show something like a video camera to someone in medieval times and you'd be thought to be a magician or maybe a God. We know better and know that there is a logical, scientific answer. Hopefully, one day, there will be a logical, scientific answer to what started the universe - it may be however, that we will never know. Maybe it was just too long ago, or the science involved is too complex for us to deduce, but just because we don't know doesn't mean that we have to say 'God did it' - sometimes we have to accept that we just don't know the answer, but we should never just give in and believe it was magic.
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    The Athiest thread

    By suggesting that someone (presumably God?) pushed the button, you are merely forcing the question back further - ie who created God? If the answer is that God has always been there, why is it not possible that the universe has always been there? - or at least the conditions that created the big bang. By suggesting a more complicated solution, you are adding to the problem, not answering it. I don't agree that proof of God is all around us - there is no proof of God that I can see. I'm no expert on quantum physics, but my understanding is that random events happen all the time- radioactive decay for example, and at the subatomic level, particles come into existence and pop back out again and can only be located by probability. If the conditions for the big bang have always existed, one of these random events may have triggered it. It makes more sense to me than making up a being of higher intelligence to start things off.
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    The Athiest thread

    I'd agree entirely with that bit - I don't however think that religious belief, or lack thereof, has any impact on whether someone is a good person or not. I know plenty of good people who are religious and plenty who are not. Equally, there are plenty of bad religious people. Anyone can quote relgion to justify almost any atrocity, or can blame atrocities on godless people. People need to decide on their course through life without the influence of mythical beings. Just because you may agree with some of the teachings of Christ or Mohammed or the Spirit of the Forest doesn't mean they have supernatural powers or even existed. If people choose to believe in something for which there is no evidence, that is their right. Personally, I would like to see some evidence. Richard Dawkins in 'The God delusion' mentions a fundamentalist preacher who said that even if all of the evidence in the world supported evolution, he would acknowledge that, but would still refuse to believe it as it went contrary to the Bible. Dawkins said that if all of the evidence in the world supported creationism, he would immediately admit he had been wrong and believe it. - it's an extreme example I know, but to me it shows the difference between the religious mindset and the scientific one. I currently choose not to believe in God, because there is no evidence to support it. If someone can provide convincing evidence I will gladly believe.
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    The Athiest thread

    i suppose it depend (a) how you define athiest and ( where you live. Officially, the entire population of China is athiest - clearly, many of the people are not athiest, but China is an athiest country. I assume you live in America? From my experiences on the Richard Dawkins forum, it seems that people who claim to be athiest in America can run into a lot of problems - for example, not one member of congress has claimed to be athiest, yet given the percentage of athiest is society in general, this is completely unrepresentative. Polls have shown that in USA, many people rate athiests somewhere alongside child molesters and it would be political suicide to claim to be an athiest. There are more athiests out there than you are aware of. In England and indeed across most of Europe you will find a far greater number of athiests and England as a whole is a very secular country. If you asked most people about religion they would claim to be RC or C of E, but in reality have no practical faith whatsoever and, if pressed, would admit to a vague belief in some higher power but only because that is how they were brought up - not due to any commited belief of their own. I would agree that theist are probably an overall majority, but not as big a majority as you make out, certainly not outside the USA. Incidentally, Richard Dawkins is most definitely an athiest - it is quite clear from his writings and the content of his website and forum.
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    The Athiest thread

    Maybe it's his 'Englishness' that gives that impression! To be honest, some of the programmes he's been in haven't done him any favours - they're edited in such a way to make 'good' TV. They will show Prof Dawkins discussing religion with some ignorant redneck preacher and inevitably the discussion will become heated. Showing him debating with educated, intelligent theologians does not make for such 'good' TV, although it is clearly much more interesting. I know that he is friendly with his local vicar and although obviously an athiest describes himself as a 'social christian' ie he was brought up in a Christian society and celebrates Christmas, goes to church on special occasions etc. I can identify with this as I am in the same situation. My wife is a devout christian and is involved in the church, as are my children. I know the vicar and his wife quite well and will attend church if the kids are doing something - school services etc
  24. I can't believe no one has mentioned one of the greatest guitarists ever produced by Britain - Richard Thompson. The man is an absolute legend - he is a fabulous guitarist, a brilliant songwriter and he's really funny onstage too. Other faves are Jimmy Page (obviously), Richie Blackmore, Paul Kossoff, Jack White and Jimi Hendrix.
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