Sticks of Fire
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On 10/8/2020 at 12:11 AM, Inthelateafternoon said:
Is there any reason they didn't release the full version in DVD?
Just a guess but either too many copyright issues or maybe Page thought the performance sounded a little chaotic. He tends to want to only release things that a polished more than a new penny (except for TSRTS movie which is an edited nightmare).
He needs to hire “ledzepfilm” to take all the known footage and edit each night separately first to see what footage actually exists from each night and then compile it all into one complete show.
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Here are some...
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18 hours ago, Strider said:
Not all soundboards are created equal. Not all audience tapes are created equal.
Mike Millard or the guys who recorded 3.7.70 Montreux or 9.14.71 Berkeley 1971
The 1975 soundboards are the exception to the "soundboards sound flat" rule. Bonham and Jones especially come through loud and powerful on the 1975 soundboards.
But there are ZERO listenable audience tapes available from the early 1975 concerts. Chicago barely passes the listenable test...and you still need a good pair of bootleg ears to endure the tape.
For these shows, soundboards will be the only way we get a reasonable representation of Led Zeppelin at the beginning of the 1975 tour. One listen to the Minneapolis soundboard snippet should be enough to prove that to you.
Sure there are a few audience tapes which combined throughout the entire span of Zeppelin’s career might add up to a dozen decent audience tapes and they will always be nice to have.
As you mentioned Chicago 1975, I’ll bet if we ever get soundboards of these shows 99.9% of collectors will never visit the audience tapes again.
I’ll take even a rough soundboard over a craptastic audience tape recorded from 3 miles away under a seat covered with a shirt on a radio shack deck with built in mic
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The soundboards from 1975 are so amazing any audience tapes from this tour are kind of worthless now and aren’t worth much unless you’re a stamp collector type.
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I wonder how many 1975 soundboards are left from this source?
2/27/75-Houston
3/12/75- Long Beach
3/25/75 & 3/27/75-LA
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1 hour ago, Flyingzepp said:
Now i'm seeing that RNR and Sick again has been released? Weird form of release here.
Where?
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On 8/27/2020 at 11:10 AM, sam_webmaster said:
Are the other tapes from this source also coming out?
Yes
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16 minutes ago, Strider said:
That doesn't make sense.
The setlist for the first few shows ran as follows...
Brussels 1-12: R & R, SA, OTHAFA, Levee, TSRTS, RS, Kashmir, Wanton, NQ, TUF, IMTOD, Stairway, WLL, BD, CB
Chicago 1-20: R & R, SA, OTHAFA, Levee, TSRTS, RS, Kashmir, Wanton, NQ, TUF, MD, IMTOD, Stairway, WLL, BD, CB
Chicago 1-22: R & R, SA, OTHAFA, IMTOD, TSRTS, RS, Kashmir, Wanton, NQ, TUF, MD, HMMT, Stairway, WLL, BD, CB
As you can see, "When the Levee Breaks" was the fourth song in the set until it was dropped by January 22 Chicago. While "The Wanton Song" was always after "Kashmir" until it, too, was dropped by February. January 18 Bloomington is probably exactly like January 20 Chicago. On the Brussels and 1.20 Chicago tape, "When the Levee Breaks" starts around the 15-16-minute mark and ends by the 26-minute mark, while "The Wanton Song" starts at 47-48 minutes and ends at the 52-minute mark. On the 1.22 Chicago tape, "Wanton Song" covers the 50-54-minute mark.
So whether Showco used C60, C90 or C120 tapes, both "When the Levee Breaks" and "The Wanton Song" should be uncut. A C60 would not have to be flipped until after "Levee", and a C90 would not have to be flipped until after "Kashmir". "When the Levee Breaks" would be unscathed on either a C60, C90 or C120 tape.
After flipping a C60 after "Levee" was over, "Wanton Song" would still end before the second side ran out of tape. If it was a C90, as long as the guy at the desk flipped the tape immediately after "Kashmir" then "Wanton" should be complete on the soundboard as well. And if it was a C120, then both "Levee" and "Wanton" should be uncut as both songs were performed before the 60-minute mark.
So, the only way we should not have full complete "When the Levee Breaks" and "The Wanton Song" on this Bloomington soundboard is through gross negligence and/or incompetence.
They were done on C120 tapes. If the sound guy started the tape several minutes early it was just bad luck Side A ran out during The Wanton Song.
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They should have had about 15/20 songs that they used in a varied rotation for openers and closers and the acoustic set. Then had a somewhat structured main body of their set lists. They could have swapped out those 15/20 songs and at least had different openers and closes and encores from night to night especially for the later tours when the did 2, 3, 4, 6 shows in the same cities. 6 nights of the same set list would get old after a while for the bands and crowds
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17 minutes ago, pluribus said:
I think he was referring to the soundcheck being recorded, as opposed to the show later on.
Yes.
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38 minutes ago, pluribus said:
The thing that links it to Chicago 73 is that the riff that they are jamming on at the start of the soundcheck recording was specifically played at Chicago 7/7/73 during the funk breakdown in Whole Lotta Love, and then never heard from again. Plants voice at the show vs the soundcheck could be due to him not singing at full volume at the soundcheck. Otherwise, could also be from other shows from early July, like 7/9 or 7/10.
I agree about the jam. His voice isn’t too much different to my ears. And all of us have had a flu when we’re fine when we wake up and by mid day we are feeling bad and by night terrible. Same thing.
It is odd why Plant says “are you recording tonight, we’ll leave that at the beginning of the tape...” after they do that 1st jam.
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Interesting. Wonder why it’s partial
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Did the site shut down? I’m not a member but I get this when I go there to browse.
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2 hours ago, 18strings said:
It was slide film, may 64. So I had to shoot at 1/60. I don't recall any photographers, but I know some were there. I'll tell you this... I'd pay a fortune for a decent shot from behind the amps showing me at one of these shows. I've been on the hunt for a long time. Kind of my holy grail. Pretty sure it's not out there... but I'll never stop looking!
I hope you find that photo one day!!
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42 minutes ago, 18strings said:
Yeah, that was the problem. I think I was shooting at 1/60, so you totally get it. I think it was six rolls of 36 over two nights, so 216 shots. About half of them were way too blurry for even the biggest fans. Then another 50 were just bad shots, for a variety of reasons. That left about 60 which were decent including the ones I shared here. Of course these days with digital, you can shoot all you want with no development costs. I was in the pit for the Rolling Stones in Phoenix last year. I probably took 300 shots between my camera and my phone + a handful of videos. So much easier these days.
Yeah and to get good light at a concert you need fast film (400 or 800), and a lens that has a really wide aperture like F2. But most telephoto lenses dont open that wide. So you have to have it set to 1/60 or 1/125 like you did.
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55 minutes ago, Strider said:
You must have seen Neal Preston down there taking photos? Do you remember the shutter speed you used? How fast a film did you use...800 or higher?
Slide film is usually pretty low, like 64 or 100 which is why I commented earlier that he did a great job considering is slide film.
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Hoarder! Just kidding, you’re awesome! I love photography. Hard to get good lighting with slide film but you did really well!
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44 minutes ago, duckman said:
I'm sorry, I don't think the Orlando SB source was ever released as a separate release on silver. Mine was the 2CD Florida Sunshine version released in 2003 and consists of the SB/AUD merge
Can anyone chop out the audience patches? There is one around the 23 min mark in the first few minutes of Dazed. The next one is right where Celebration Days starts and goes to the beginning of WIAWSNB.
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Does anyone have Orlando 1971 without any audience source patched in? I’m looking for the soundboard portion only.
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Yes the Orlando 1971 soundboard recording is sort of odd for the tape flips.
First side is 23 min2nd side is 37 min
3rd side is 37 min
4th side is about 12/15
My only guess is it was accidentally started at the end of the tape from the night before and when the first tape ran out after 23 min a fresh tape was put in and why the sides match perfectly and then a 3rd tape was used for the final part of the show
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12 minutes ago, Strider said:
When I taped concerts I never used anything over 90 minutes. It was always either a C90 or C60 cassette. I read that 120 minute cassettes weren't good to use because there was too much tape on the spindle and it increased the chances of you getting wow and flutter on your recordings.
So I am surprised that Showco would use 120 minute cassettes for the soundboards. I always figured it was 90 minute tapes. Has anyone actually seen the actual soundboard tapes that EVSD has been using for their soundboard revolution releases?
Agreed but I did love 110 min metal tapes from the 1990s. Helped do things right many times.
Its possible at the time the technology was still new and high bias 120 min tapes were thought of as high quality and professional and a good way to only use a tape or two per show. Just a thought. It is what it is...
I listened to a bunch of shows today and it seems the Japan 1971, Europe 1973, USA 1973 and USA 1975 are all 120 min tapes. UK 1973, USA 1977 and Europe ‘80 were 90 min tapes
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11 minutes ago, gcczep said:
Cool article...informative and detailed. Interesting as to how the band used Sony/Nak. I read of Plant's remark dismissing the Japan 1971 recordings stating that they made better recordings using their Revox machine.
Plant is probably referring to earlier tapes they made with a simple set up with Pages Revox and a couple mics onstage like the Germany tour of 1970:
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3 hours ago, FavouriteTipple said:
Really? I'll have to check my ears then! Thanks for the comment. It's just that I've never heard a cut mid-song on any of the 1975 boards, hence my query.
By chance the 1975 soundboards ran perfectly for tapes with 60 mins each side.
The USA 1971 soundboard tapes have tape flips around the 45/50 min mark (Orlando seems different tho).
The UK 1973 soundboard tapes have flips around the 45 min mark.
The USA 1973 soundboard tapes have flips about the 60 min (if I’m remembering this tour correctly).
The USA 1977 soundboard tapes have flips around the 45 min mark.
The Europe ‘80 shows have flips about the 60 min mark (if I’m remembering correctly).
Detroit 7.13.73 new aud tape
in Led Zeppelin Live
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That’s awesome!! A new uncirculated 1973 show in GREAT quality!! And given away for free. Basically complete too!!
The new generation of fans of Led Zeppelin gets it!!