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  1. I recommend... The Avett Brothers and Old Crow Medicine Show I can't believe they haven't been recommended yet.
  2. Ah... as for speaking chinese, I only know what I learned from my college foreign language classes, haha. I'm a bit... uh... white washed (one of the reasons my parents insisted I came back to China this summer, I was going to stay and do an internship...)
  3. Thats awesome, this is my third time in China (but the last time I went was 10 years ago), I like it too! Its so different from the states, yet even being chinese, I still stick out like a sore thumb here.
  4. Its Tiananmen, I'm on vacation in China right now
  5. Learn the major/minor pentatonic scales in all positions on the fret board and you can play 95% of Page's solos.
  6. If you want to know more about the recordings, send me a pm.
  7. Page broke his ring finger in 1975 right before the US tour started, and his playing suffered the first stretch of the tour, and they had to redo the set list to adjust (thus Dazed and Confused was replaced with How Many More Times and they added When the Levee Breaks as well). That being said, his playing in general was not as fluid as it was in 1973 (the Europe tour prior the US tour probably had some of Page's best playing imo) but near the end of the 1975 tour, it wasn't bad at all. Remember that the DVD only shows a few songs from the 5 night stand at Earl's Court. I'm particularly fond of the Earl's Court concerts, TSRTS, D+C, and Stairway to Heaven from May 24th are the best live versions I've personally heard. Over the Hills and Far Away also featured some great guitar work. As for whats actually on the DVD, the acoustic set is played fabulously imo, and Trampled Underfoot is as well. As for Stairway, I was actually really surprised when the DVD was released that Page chose the version from May 25th, the solo was cut short because Page broke his B-string mid solo, and the performance was a bit uninspired as well. The version from the previous night was far superior. I suggest you try and find a copy of "Evoluzione" and "When we Were Kings"/"Conquistador" (shouldn't be too hard, there are pretty common in trading communities) to really hear what the Earl's Court concerts were like. Remember, these were 3 hour long concerts, you can't just characterize them based on a few songs.
  8. Haha, I was in the Bahamas, those are my boating glasses!
  9. I agree 100%, which is why I'm surprised so many people take such offense to what I said.
  10. Yes he asked him because until then, EVERYONE had been playing Rain Song in a standard tuning resulting in many odd structures. Perry, like everyone else, was playing it wrong. It was the way I learned it initially until I saw the Guitar World tab. If you've ever played that arrangement, it sounds quite good, but is a hassle to play. Then the actual tab came out showing that its played in DGCGCD rather than EADGBE, making much of the song either open or bar chords (save for some picking parts). Realize that until that tab came out, NO ONE played it correctly. Because we could all play it incorrectly and have it sound the same. So Joe Perry couldn't figure out how to play it correctly so what? You CAN play Rain Song in standard tuning. It's slightly awkward, and thus, common sense tells you that it isn't correct. It has nothing to do with a trained ear. Its the same notes, with different fingerings. You can hardly hear the difference. Doesn't mean that the correct version isn't easy.
  11. Wow, you just don't get it. Page being a sloppy player has nothing to do with the respect he garners. I've already mentioned, that individually, Page is probably the single most exalted musician in popular music outside of maybe Lennon and McCartney. Page's creativity, versatility, all make him great, but his skill, and technique, and technical prowess playing the guitar itself, does not put him above anyone significant. He can't play like Vai, or like Malmsteen, or any modern virtuoso for that matter. But it shouldn't matter. I'm not trying to knock on Page or overly criticize him, especially because I judge him on a different level than those guys. They use their guitar to make music, Page uses his guitar to express music. Theres a huge difference. I don't understand the huge deal with this, no one (with ears and a brain) will argue with the claim that Steve Vai is a better player than Page. Yet, I'm pretty sure everyone understands why Page is always near the tops of these rankings. It doesn't matter if Page was "sloppy" or not. "Sloppy" just has to do with his technique, his skill, and his sound. Not with the music that he wrote. When it comes down to it, the music you play is what is important, how good you are at guitar is not. I don't understand why you all get so offended when people say Page is a competent, player but far from the best. It has nothing to do with his accomplishments, none of the Beatle's were exemplary at playing their instruments, but it doesn't matter because their music was so good. Page deserves every bit of credit he gets for who he is, a terrific musician. A great writer, producer, and a very competent guitar player. He is an exemplary acoustic player, and a good electric player. He is accomplished in every way a rock musician gets, and is a living legend. But that does not make him the greatest guitar player ever. (btw, there are no amazing stretches in the Rain Song, its played in an open tuning just to avoid any major stretches. The chords are complex, but easy to switch between in alternate tunings. Page gets props for that arrangement, its a wonderful piece, but is not harder than his electric stuff)
  12. I'm 20, and a member of the old boards since 2003.
  13. Thank you. Few people these days are even familiar with genres outside of what is popular. And thus, they miss out on great musicianship.
  14. Well you just proved my point right there. Theres a reason why Page is so highly considered, and these virtuosos aren't so much. And to agree with the posters above, Jeff Beck is incredible. His style is right up there with Hendrix in terms of originality.
  15. I do play myself. I first picked it up at around 8, and I am 20 now. I am hardly a long time player, and have seldom picked up the instrument since college started, but I played fairly regularly for about 8-9 years. I DID take lessons for about two and a half years, from a very good teacher in my area (a locally well known jazz guitarist), which I unfortunately never took full advantage of. I realize that I have not been playing for very long (compared to older players), but long enough that I do have a musically trained ear at the very least. And long enough to have encountered many young players who are exceptional guitar players. (not usually those kids in HS who just learned to "pick up and play") Think of it this way, no one thinks of Page the great studio guitarist. They think Page, the mastermind behind Led Zeppelin. Page played for many bands prior to Zeppelin, yet until he had full creative range, he was hardly the exalted figure he is now. There are many players who are known simply for this unbelievable skill in playing the guitar. Guys like Malmsteen, who I very much acknowledge, his music is horrible (and most would agree), is known almost exclusively for his ability. Guys like Page are very much the opposite.
  16. Ignorant? If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black... I said very specifically, Page the arranger and the composer is top notch. Page the guitar player is not. When I say Page the guitarist, I mean raw ability, technique, improvisational prowess, where he falls short of many other guitarists. Van Halen is a more competent guitarist than Page, but that doesn't mean I'd rather listen to his over-indulgent, completely unmelodious solos. If you believe what I said is ignorant, you have obviously not heard many guitarists. Where I am from, there are players no older than 18 whose technical ability can put long time veterans of the instrument to shame. Believe it or not, there are many players who picked up the instrument at very a young age. They're trained to play in musically complex genres such as classical and jazz, so that by the time when most kids around 13-14 are picking up the guitar to play their favorite songs, they already know enough theory to make long time players' heads spin. The guitar is such a "pick up and play" instrument, people seem to forget that some people have very adeptly learned via traditional methods. In terms of technique, musical knowledge, and improvisational skill, almost any competent jazz player has guys like Clapton, Page, etc. beat. Page can extend Dazed and Confused out to 30 minutes, his live arrangements are brilliant. Listening to bootleg recordings from 1969 up to 1975, and listening to the arrangement evolve over the years is where Page excels are a musician. I said earlier, Page's creativity and versatility as a writer, composer, arranger, etc. are what makes him one of the greats, not really his guitar playing itself. This is a much more relevant aspect anyway. Led Zeppelin is probably the most popular rock band in history behind the Beatles (who this also applies to), because their songs themselves are so great. Page the writer makes Zeppelin great, not necessarily Page the guitarist (who was like I said, very competent). Why do you think no one gives a damn about Yngwie Malmsteen? Because in the end, as talented a guitarist he is, he just doesn't have the ability to write interesting compositions.
  17. One of the best technical players? Or skilled players? Not a chance. I judge Page as one of the greatest composers, and musical masterminds of all time. His versatility, and writing and arrangements puts him at the top of the list. His skill as a guitar player, while highly competent are not necessarily top tier, particularly compared to the virtuoso's of the 80s to the present. However, he created music that was both accessible to the masses and particular to loyal fans of Led Zeppelin. As a pure guitar player, there are kids under 20 years old (albeit, very talented kids) who can play the instrument at the same level. But by itself, being a great guitar player in general doesn't get you very far, and thats where Page's musicianship puts him over the top.
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