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  1. This song could have been omitted from the album since both Heartbreaker and LLM end pretty abruptly. The transition from Heartbreaker to Ramble On would have worked great. I wonder why they didn't do that if they didn't like it so much? Maybe the song was kind of a Plan B for album sales? It probably didn't start out that way, but I just think it sounds really commercial. I've never liked the lyrics and have always been confused by their overly sexist nature. The solo is cool, being in the Jimmy Page style, but it reminds me more of a rock solo from today - it's over right when it's getting started. It still beats most throwaway solos you hear today that might last 4 bars - if that.
  2. It's a stretch. There is a guitar melody in there that resembles the opening Stairway melody but it doesn't match up for long. Let it Grow repeats that same melody, but Stairway's is more dynamic. Let it Grow has a standard verse and chorus structure, which also repeats the guitar melody throughout the whole song. This doesn't occur in Stairway, which has a progressive structure that builds until releasing at "And as we wind on down the road..." Stairway is an entirely different animal, with no chorus, while Let it Grow is more pop sounding with repeating choruses at the end of the song. There's probably 3 or less Led Zeppelin songs that repeat the chorus at the end. Unless Page admits to listening to the song pre-Stairway or starting with the guitar melody as a base for Stairway, I'd say there's no relationship between the songs. There's only so many notes and chord progressions and at the end of the day there's a good chance you've done something similar to someone else's work.
  3. The list is a good start but the method can be improved. I don't think they gave enough consideration to historical context. Bands don't live in a timeless vacuum where other bands don't have any affect on later bands. For example, there are many cases where Band B would not have existed if Band A didn't exist first. Or maybe Band B might have still existed but could have been entirely different and possibly not successful at all. Think about trendsetter bands like Nirvana and Black Sabbath that are waaay too far down the list. Even if Black Sabbath hadn't influenced metal as much as they did (along with Led Zeppelin, however unintentional), they were a great band with many great songs that stretched over a long period of time. Sabbath has to be better than Metallica by default. I don't care if Metallica plays for another 40 years! Some bands easily wouldn't exist without others or at least they would have been entirely different. At some point you need to look at the results and go - ok wait a minute there's something wrong here - scrap the results and come up with a different method
  4. Well he had an alibi, but he can't tell the judge. If he did, he'd say he was "in the arms of my best friends wife".
  5. Well he had an alibi, but he can't tell the judge. If he did, he'd say he was "in the arms of my best friends wife".
  6. Thank you for resurrecting my interest for comments I made 3 years ago. As an update, I have since covered Dylan's "All Along the Watchtower" myself. I can't take any credit though as my changes are not significant enough. But what of Bob Dylan? Joni Mitchell has this to say, "Bob is not authentic at all. He’s a plagiarist, and his name and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a deception. We are like night and day, he and I."
  7. I didn't see the same show as the author but the show on 2/2/2011 was great. I didn't see this 'old' thing Sarah Ventre was talking about. It must be my own personal bias regarding quality music.
  8. Not if the new songs are good! I'm sure if they start singing "Hey Hey Mama, said they way you move does your hip pop out when you dance to the groove?" yeah that might alienate some fans. Of course at a show with tens of thousands of people...I'm sure a few of them are going to go to the bathroom at some point. At such a show though, the people who won't leave will be in the front and that's all the band can really see anyways ... It would be interesting if we could see what percentage of new songs are played on a tour following the release of a new album. That wouldn't be too hard to do actually...I guess we don't have all the set lists but we have all the show dates and album release dates.
  9. To your second point...if they wanted to do it they would find time...much like any relationship! But as you mentioned in your first point...they don't want to do it. But that's sugar coating it as more specifically Robert doesn't want to do it. If I was working with either of the 4, I would actually expect them to stop working with me in the event that the planets aligned or however you crazy kids are characterizing what amounts to be Robert Plant's willingness to participate in a major Zeppelin endeavor. I'd be waiting for that every day and making the most of my time with them.
  10. Was every successive album a case of lightening striking? On the Led Zeppelin DVD or maybe it was the TSRTS, Robert says something about an album being about where the band is at the time. So that's what a new album would be. There's no need to go back to anything. I think if you put those 4 musicians together to make music there's certainly going to be something interesting. How do you measure success of that effort? That's up to each individual. The musicians should only measure it based on their satisfaction with their work, much in the way Robert seems enjoy what he is doing right now. The general public might hate it but who cares. The general public isn't on these boards right now. The people checking here now are mostly loyal fans that care the most. I certainly don't wish for Robert to fail in his current Band of Joy effort. Quality is quality no matter what genre you like. I like some hard rock songs and I like some folk songs. You just have to know what to listen for. Robert Plant knows how to make quality because he took part in Led Zeppelin, one of the most quality collaborative musical works ever. I do hope there is some sort of change of heart. Hard to say what it would take at this point in his life. If anything, I would thank Robert for Them Crooked Vultures. No way that happens if Led Zeppelin playing and composing together.
  11. exactly. but not with Jimmy Page or John Paul Jones. I'm sure it'll be good but oh well.
  12. So here is the big elephant in the room that everyone here deals with every day, but seems to forget. I believe he is insecure about the death of his friend John Bonham. It's got to be an absolute nightmare to him. The death of his son also played a major role. It was a one-two knockout punch in a span of 5 years. I don't blame him either. I think it's wonderful that he's doing anything music related. Those traumatic events happened over 30 years ago and they matured him. To the point that I think that's why he associates youth with Led Zeppelin. That was HIS youth and coming of age. We're talking about a run that went roughly from ages 20 to 31 here. Can you imagine that being you? Success at such a young age? Tragedy at the end? What does that do to a person? Only Robert Plant knows. I think I read somewhere that he feels that if he plunges into obscurity then he considers that success. Not an exact quote but that's the spirit of it. We're asking him to resurrect in full something that he buried 30 years ago with John Bonham. I think that's a lot to ask. I don't think it's impossible and I do think it would be awesome but I think it's a tall order. Well maybe he doesn't see this as a challenge? If he reunited with Led Zeppelin, I bet he could literally take a crap on stage and be applauded for it. Dylan had an issue with it. Approaching 1965, the crowds were too easy at some point and he had to shake thing up. I suppose it's a good problem to have. And you wouldn't sheepishly accept a Led Zeppelin reunion in whatever form? I know I would... I have to agree, but it's not to take away from Robert's ability and current direction. I think when I agree to that comment it's to the credit of the other members and their respective talents. There's a lot of potential in an album by Plant, Page, and Jones. Except for the ex-wife comment, I follow you 100%. Easy. When Jimmy, Robert, or JPJ dies. Most people will not be content until then. But of course it will be too late. Of course it will never be the same, but I still don't understand why Zep can't be something else. Something new.
  13. I should start this post off saying that I don't know Robert Plant personally, and so a lot of my opinions on the matter are based on what is likely out of context BS and assumptions. That's how most of us get our information because most of us don't know him. But even if I did know him personally, it sounds like he realizes that he alone is the one in control of his destiny, and that I could present no argument to reunite as Led Zeppelin that wouldn't drive a wall between us. What I don't understand is...if it did happen, I don't think too many people would complain. Maybe the "No Zeppelin without John Bonham purists" wouldn't like the idea of it...but I bet they would literally like the sound of it Well that's your opinion of his music and I don't share it entirely. I was not a huge fan until I saw him recently in Washington, DC. While I do like what he's doing now, I can promise you that I'd like nothing more than for the 3 remaining members to play together. When I went to the show recently in DC, the fact remains that if not for Led Zeppelin, I would not have been going to see Robert Plant. Oh and they played 'Black Dog', 'Houses of the Holy', 'Ramble On', 'Gallows Pole', and 'Rock n' Roll'. It was a real treat, but it was also depressing in a way. The other songs were good too. You'll have to elaborate because I don't know what you're directing these comments at. Yeah you and me both. Well if he stopped now then he'd continue on with Band of Joy and we'd be out of luck. It'd be better if his perception changed first, got back together with Page+Jones+Ja.Bonham, and THEN stopped caring. Thing is, I can't tell if he cares or not. To me, a lot of the time it sounds like he just wants people to think he cares. I think sometimes he is just being quirky and funny in order to avoid the topic of reuniting. Right - he's very capable of doing at least some of it. I wouldn't expect him to start wailing on an Immigrant Song like song, and it's not because I think he needs some sort of youthful mindset to do it. I actually don't think he could do the whole catalog as it was originally done. I think he doesn't want to have to say, "Oh no Jimmy (or JPJ for that matter), we can't do this song because my pipes can't do it." The other day I was taking part in a conversation with a local band where the band wanted to do 'Black Dog', but the singer couldn't hit the high notes. (*sarcasm* I bet the singer felt great about that *sarcasm*). Imagine if you're Robert Plant and you . Maybe his references to youth are his way of saying "I can't even do that anymore". They can dial down the keys all they want, but I bet it still makes Plant feel insecure in some way. Wishing for a led Zeppelin reunion with a new album/tour on this forum is probably the most obvious thing that everyone here wants. So yeah I don't get it either.
  14. I was led here via another post but it looked relevant: http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/Features/myth-busters-jimmy-pages/
  15. Yes, the DC show last night WAS amazing!!! Band of Joy lived up to its name as there was a lot of joy in the room. Now I am not normally a beat-clapper, but last night I was. Too much to contain myself. Griffin was absolutely on fire in so many ways. Just her voice alone did it, but the outfit she had on with the classy way that she grooved to the music set me over the top. She had at least one song out front that was beautiful. She's a great contrast to the other voices in the group. Robert did not disappoint. I didn't know what to expect in person but I had high hopes and they were met. He had great timing and of course a killer voice. I still don't get why he talks about him being old. I couldn't tell because of the enthusiasm he had for the whole night. One thing I didn't like was the crowd's reaction to any spotlighting on Buddy Miller or Darrell Scott. Plant would first say something about how accomplished each was in their own right and then introduce the song. Many people in the crowd sat down. It was as if the crowd hadn't realized that Miller or Scott was there the whole time. Show some respect people!
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