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    Osama bin Laden DEAD

    in Ramble On

    Posted

    That was the second response in that "discussion" thread. It was hard for me to read past that but I did. I ended up agreeing with those who said the Nazi's were a combination of the extreme right wing but also the extreme left. National Socialism was a unique political movement which mercifully hasn't been repeated since.

    Hi 'dazedcat'

    Hitler did believe he was a Socialist, NAZI stands for National Socialist as well, and extreams seem to be much the same in practice which is a little confusing.

    Hitler said he Hated Marxism, and Communism, does that make him Right Wing? I dunno. Well if the Nazi's were Left Wing then to me they were not for the People so that takes away any reason to call them Socialists. Now how do you define the difference between the Far Right and Far Left? thay are both as bad as each other and both bad for the world as a whole. I just cant imagine Hitler as anything but Right Wing, whatever party he voted for or what his politics were his doctrin fits better as a Far Right Dictator than the other way round.

    Regards, Danny

    PS, Hitler called for everybody to sacrifice themselves for The Fatherland and not for The People, that sounds more Right than Left Wing to me.

    Osama bin Laden DEAD

    in Ramble On

    Posted

    Hi All,

    For what its worth i and most other people have always thought of Facism and Nazism as Far Right Wing forms of Politics, so if that were wrong what are they then? Left Wing? Communists? or what?

    From Wiki.

    Far right, extreme right, hard right, radical right, and ultra-right are terms used to discuss the qualitative or quantitative position a group or person occupies within right-wing politics. The terms are often used to imply that someone is an extremist. The terms have been used by different scholars in somewhat conflicting ways.[1]

    Far right politics commonly involve supremacism — a belief that superiority and inferiority is an innate reality between individuals and groups — and a complete rejection of the concept of social equality as a norm.[2] Far right politics often support segregation; the separation of groups deemed to be superior from groups deemed to be inferior.[3] Far right politics also commonly include authoritarianism, nativism, racism and xenophobia.[4]

    The ideologies usually associated with the far right include fascism, Nazism and other ultra-nationalist, religiously extreme or reactionary ideologies.[5][6][7][8][9]

    The term radical right refers to sections of the far right that promote views which are very conservative in traditional left-right terms, but which aim to break with prevailing institutions and practices.[10]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics

    Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled Naziism[1]) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[2][3][4][5] It was a unique variety of fascism that incorporated biological racism and antisemitism.[6] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.[7]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

    But what do i know? i only have 3 1/2 thousand post and not 11 1/2 thousand so i must be another one of those retards that frequent this forum. :rolleyes::slapface:

    Regards, Danny

    Osama bin Laden DEAD

    in Ramble On

    Posted

    Danny,

    Gonna jump in here... again ;)

    I would never go so far as to believe that Brits and Yanks hate each other. We have had far more in common than not. To me the USA vs UK debates should be assumed by other's outside of our two nations as an "in house or family quarrel."

    I suppose to many Brits we will always be ungrateful upstarts who never appreciated Britain's role in shaping our culture and our borders, all at a time while Britain was struggling to maintain her empire against France and others. And to many of us you all were the big brother who assumed to tell us what was best for us, when we always saw ourselves as equals of not by stature, but my inherent rights and ability. And then of course just like the hierarchy in a family where the younger brother outgrows the older; the rolls reversed and the feelings I just described switched.

    This is obviously a simplistic explanation.

    Yes we did do many things, some maybe could be called "diabolical" but most were just the way history progressed. I've already talked about this, but consider that we Americans, many who were also Irish, or a combination of English and Irish understood "diabolical" as well. And with all due respect Danny (and I believe you accept that I do respect you and my British friends) when we hear a Brit discuss our history (one that folks like me even acknowledge), it sounds like that old bigger brother lecturing the younger brother thing. Safe to say that both our nations have done, and CONTINUE to do, things that are pragmatically in our own best interests to the frustration of many others. I see our history as being very similar in many respects. We have both forced our will on others. Most often to our own best interests, and also in what we believe were the best interests of those who were under our domination. Sometimes we were right, sometimes we were wrong.

    Without first the British and then later the United States, Israel would have never even stood a chance to exist. We have helped to make them, and we have helped to sustain them. Israel is in a special situation surrounded on all sides by people who want them not only gone, but also DEAD. I believe as an American, and you as a Brit, we should always view Israel within that context and not be so harsh on them. Because truth be told Israel could never be an enemy to either the British people or the American people. They are the only real democracy in that region (well, I suppose Iraq might now be considered a democracy--- but we'll see), and the Israelis are a people who give rights to women and gays which is something none of their neighbors do. In my opinion Israel is more like us than they are not. And I know if I were in a tight spot, I would look to an Israeli to have my back just like I would to a Brit.

    Just my two cents,

    Brad

    Hi Brad,

    It didn't take you long to jump in did it old buddy? ;):lol:

    I was trying to educate lzzoso as to why other people HATE what America does/did and that they don't actually HATE America, but you must have overlooked my point there old chum.

    I wasn't trying to attack America but you seem to think that i was, merely trying to get people to understand that what a country does actually matters in the world today, and in my view America still hasn't learnt from previous mistakes, and you will concede that she has made many mistakes wouldn't you?

    I use the term "DIABOLICLE" because that's what I think is a good term to describe what was done in the past and what is still being done to this day, disagree if you must but GENOCIDE is DIABOLICLE isn't it?

    Israel, while being a close ally and friend of the USA and the UK should not be encouraged to act in a manner that would suit a NAZI-FACIST Dictatorship, and you should not make light of the way they treat the Palestinians as Inferior Humans as the Nazi's did to them because 2 Wrongs wont make it Right. They need to live by the same UN code of conduct that we impose on the rest of the world, a code that we oh so very often neglect to abide by as well.

    Kind Regards, Danny

    PS, Enjoy your holiday Brad and Long Live America.

    PPS, By the way Brad, I ain't no BRIT, I'm a Suppressed Englishman. :lol:

    Osama bin Laden DEAD

    in Ramble On

    Posted

    What the Fuck are you "Jabberwocking" on about now?

    I think I read somewhere in this topic that you claim to be a teacher. Is that correct? If so, I really hope that you not a teacher of American history or a teacher of the English language because if you happen to teach young, immpresionable children either one of these topics/subjects, then those kids are Fucked.

    And, if you happen to live in or be European, no wonder why so many Europeans do not like the United States of America. It is because of people like you, snakesandspiders, spreading your anti-American diatribe.

    At least people like electrophile and aquamarine seem to make some sense whenever they disparage and denigrate their own country. Sense to themselves, no sense to ME.

    By the way, HAPPY BIRTHDAY UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!!!!! May you live another 235 Prosperous Years!!!!!!!!!

    Sorry to have to jump in here but lzzoso it is you that will have to read your own countries history again mate. People in other countries like England dont HATE America but we do HATE some of the things your country did and still does, but that doesnt amount to HATING America.

    Remember, America has done some diaboliclal things to innocent people that could not and can not defend themselves, both in the past and here in the right now, you have to acknowledge these attrocities instead of burying you head in the sand and pretending they didnt and dont happen, it will help you and America to move on and maybe stop behaving in this way.

    Israel could do with taking a good long hard look at itself as well for what it has done and still does, along with America Israel is the most hypocritical regime in the world today while China make no claims to be a Democratic Regime and the Muslim Arab? well the less said about how they Govern the better, Dark Age Islamism belongs in the Dark Ages in my book.

    Regards, Danny

    The Mysterious Life and Death of Phil Schneider

    in Ramble On

    Posted

    ok, thanks for clearing that up

    well, it could be all true. everything.

    2012, underground bunkers, aliens here now, ancient aliens ........

    and also none of it could be true.

    i sure hope it's all not true.

    but there is lots of evidence pointing towards it being true, imho.

    and it scares me. really scares me.

    forget about your dracula movies ( strider ). this is the real deal.

    No worries Slave, but no need to be worried, if the Aliens have done a deal with the Yanks then we are in it too, as will Australia and New Zealand, its the French i feel sorry for, always on the wrong side they are. :lol:

    Kind Regards, Danny

    The Mysterious Life and Death of Phil Schneider

    in Ramble On

    Posted

    to what i said ^^.

    i believe it's happening, dan.

    and if you don't, that's fine. but please don't come into this thread and make belittling comments, ok? :)

    i am actually surprised that you don't believe in this, as you seemed like you agree about the ancient alien theory. now, i know that is another thing altogether, but it just seemed like you shared my views. :unsure:

    No belittling comments from me Slave, i've seen sci-fi films that cover just those conspiracy theories.

    I do share your views, it doesnt surprise me than its happening in America either, and maybe the world over, but there is very little solid evidence to boot and as you know? most people here laugh at the conspiracy theories dont they?

    I for one would not be surprised if 21-12-2012 turns out to be a bit special for mankind, and not in a good way.

    Sorry for any missunderstanding between us.

    Kind Regards, Danny

    The Mysterious Life and Death of Phil Schneider

    in Ramble On

    Posted

    ok, just been watching some stuff about 2012 ........

    some scientists are saying that some solar storms are coming around this time which could be catastrophic for the earth.

    and that a huge bunker under denver airport and many other secret underground " cities" are being built to house a chosen few in case of disaster.

    for chosen few read people who have put up the funds to build them, the worlds richest people, and other leaders.

    and i thought to myself, well, if this were true, surely some of the workers would spill the beans.

    but then i thought, well i guess they could have been promised a spot in return for their silence.

    hmmmmm

    What sci-fi films you been watching then Slave?

    Kind Regards, Danny

    Stupid people

    in Ramble On

    Posted

    Even from the beginnig the DOI became one of the arguemnts used by abolishinists to confront the inequity of slavery. Even if it took time for the nation's collective consciesness to arrive at a point where the concepts were agreed to mean "all men", that does not diminish my point that it was part of a foundation to build on. It in fact was.

    And while everything you said about native peoples happened, I disagree that it was always with evil intent. Most settlers were just looking to impove their lives as well. Many whites did not understand the impact on hunter gatherers when they began to set aside huge tracts of land for farming... and then conflict was bound to occur. But the fact that Indian tribes had caused forced relocations of other tribes before the white man ever arrived as well, just indicates to me that it was probably part human nature, and bound to be a fact of history.

    In my view we all stand upon the shoulders of those who came before us. Without the Greeks, Romans, British and my American forefathers I might still be a hunter gatherer without the technology to even have this conversation. So having either pride or shame about the facts of history is not what I am about. Whatever happened happened, but I feel that there was a destiny to it all. I suppose it could have gone another way, and then the Aztecs might have sailed to Europe and sacrificed millions of Europeans on their alters, but they weren't the ones who aquired gunpowder first. I just believe that if they had, it would have probably happened that way and then we would be having a conversation about who would feel guilty then.

    Here we agree.

    Cheers

    Hi Brad,

    At last someone who has the courage to say what they think and had conviction to say it how it happened, I applaud you. :beer:

    I also believe that you, the American people that is, had no choice to do what you did, the same goes for Great Britain and its Empire, Napoleon, Rome, Greece and all the others. We now try to judge these times with our own set of morals but they didn't exist in their times and so we are unfounded in our judgement of those peoples and times.

    I just wanted an American to admit that not all what your ancestors did had the good will to the Natives at heart, its good to find someone who isn't petrified to say "My Country made mistakes" here's to you again. :beer:

    CASE CLOSED.

    Kind Regards, Danny

    PS, I only hope they realise those mistakes and don't make the same ones again. ;)

    Stupid people

    in Ramble On

    Posted

    Not being sarcastic, just pointing out that I have learned more about United States history from knowledgeable teachers than other sources. I understand that people have their opinions.

    OK I can accept that Silver Rider but how do you know without looking elsewhere for confirmation and reference that they tell you the TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH?

    And please tell me if anything I have said about American History is not FACTUAL or TRUE, I hold my hands up that even with all my knowledge I still have oodles to learn about your Great Countries History, and I want to learn more, even from you and Brad who I know would have much to teach me about American History.

    Why I haven't even got to the real bottom of English History, that's why I continue to read and watch documentaries all the time, my home is a Library of History Books so much so that I have had to withdraw from 3 Book Clubs, I kid you not. I had to, the Misses insisted. :o;):lol:

    Regards, Danny

    PS, Silver Rider, please start up a topic about American History, it would be most enjoyable and very interesting I'm sure. :yesnod:

    Stupid people

    in Ramble On

    Posted · Edited by BIGDAN

    Italian Suppositories abound endlessly on this forum, a sign of self importance/impotence or what?

    If you have something to say to someone then why not say it to them instead of wrapping it up in sarcasm and always having the last word, childish beyond belief. :slapface: And you all know who I'm talking about don't ya? :yesnod:

    Regards, Danny

    PS, And if you want to learn History you don't have to go to school to do so, its much better to find out about it yourself, that way you get more enjoyment, more facts and you wont get indoctrinated like you do in the classrooms, take it from someone who knows, school can teach a lot of untruths to the unwary. ;)

    Clapton is God: The Eric Clapton Thread

    in Other Bands / Music

    Posted

    He might have been GOD then, but he isn't GOD now, and arguably hasn't been since late 1966 when a certain Mr Hendrix upset the applecart and threw the rule-book out the window. That's a fairly short reign for a GOD.

    EC has spent the past 40 years playing anodyne Armani blues & icky derivatives, and snoozed his way through the most important decade in rock, contributing practically nothing of any substance to the 70s canon.

    Sure, he's a great guitarist if you like that kind of thing, but many don't, and remain baffled by his deification, particularly in view of the fact that stylistically he's a pure copyist, and has written so few memorable songs during his career. IMO.

    Agreed Bouillon, I would not have put it quite so amicably though, but nevertheless his time with Cream was very memorable yes? some very innovative and monolithic/monumental songs there mate. ;)

    Kind Regards, Danny

    PS, Eric was Good, but never God, in my honest opinion. :o

    Stupid people

    in Ramble On

    Posted

    OK Silver Rider you're first,

    I know you of old don't I? So whatever I post to you, you will bypass and ignore, however much sense I make you will make light of it and move on with your own agenda, so it is now pointless to carry on right? Adieu Mon Ami.

    Hi Brad, I know you also only too well don't I?

    Lets say that when the Colonists in North America gained Independence from Great Britain they could draw a line under everything that went on before and they drew up the Declaration and Bill of Rights OK?

    Now from that moment they were on their own, they could ever live by those pieces of paper or they could tear them up, I believe they tore them up. Why you may ask do I form that opinion? its because of the FACT that they moved out of those 13 States and Conquered, Pillaged, Murdered, Raped, Mutilated, Stole, Defrauded, Conned, and Tricked the Innocent Native Unsophisticated People of North America. So what was the point of all that paper work?

    The Declaration Of Independence was just a "foundation" as you say, so where did they BUILD on it?

    If you can call building on the Extermination of those people as justification for a New America and hold your head up high whilst singing that National Anthem then you are a better man than I, because I couldn't Justify it myself, no more than I can Justify what the British Empire did or stood for.

    And just what has this to do with Finnish Education you may ask? America has become an EMPIRE that has far too many other issues to deal with whilst Finland is One Nation under One Flag with One Culture to deal with so it is far easier to Achieve Excellence in Education in Finland than in the USA, or Britain for that matter with our Multiculturalism and Diversity.

    Kind Regards, Danny

    PS, I think it is akin to how the Jews left the ways of the Torah, Christians ignore the Bible and Muslims read a different song sheet when obeying the Koran, be a Buddhist and Love Everything.

    Stupid people

    in Ramble On

    Posted · Edited by BIGDAN

    What has that got to do with the topic? If the topic were slavery, that would be different. I am positive that I could develop an in-depth discussion on the history of slavery and the native American tribal populations. Slavery was a part of life in those days, and if you opposed it, people would retaliate against you for not adhering to societal dictates. It was a long struggle before slavery ended in the 1800's. And to answer your question, John Morton, one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, owned slaves. I don't know why he acquired slaves or how he treated them, only that he owned them. It is possible that he provided sanctuary for them, preventing them from being owned by some of the more cruel slave-owners of the time. Pennsylvania was just across the Mason-Dixon line, and was a part of the underground used by slaves to escape misery. Ridley, Pennsylvania, where John Morton lived, was one of the first jurisdictions to end slavery.

    But the topic here started with the question of why Finland did so well in the recent scores related to education. And the answer turns out to be that Finland has had a long history of high literacy and scholarship.

    Hi Silver Rider,

    Firstly, I was replying to your comment here,

    "Perhaps the concept that people should be treated as equals could work here." (in America)

    My point was that America has no History of treating people as equals anywhere, I wasn't bringing Slavery up but you could use that and the way America treated the Natives, the Irish, the Italians, the Mexicans and any other race they encountered as a starting point of how America will never be able to fulfil your concept of matching Finland in regard to bettering their Education System and Results, no more so than England would better them.

    My reasons.

    1. They have a very unique culture, you have a multicultural diversity.

    2. They use a Common Language, you use many.

    3. They live in a relatively harmonious country, you live in a crime riddled society. (if that were true)

    4. They spend 6.4% of GDP on Education, you spend 5.7% (not much difference but it might be a reason)

    You know how topics have a way of taking there own direction, I wasn't trying to hijack this thread just trying to answer your "Perhaps" question.

    Regards, Danny

    PS, I also think the Declaration of Independence Document is flawed, but that's another topic isn't it?

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_edu_spe-education-spending-of-gdp

    Stupid people

    in Ramble On

    Posted · Edited by BIGDAN

    The United States was founded on principles of equality.

    "Founded On" is very different to "Upholding"

    Could you tell me if nearly every signatory of the Declaration of Independence and whatever other document you hold dear Owned Slaves and Owned Stolen Lands from the Indians?

    Regards, Danny

    Edit for typo.

    Stupid people

    in Ramble On

    Posted

    Perhaps the concept that people should be treated as equals could work here. America once had a strong middle class. We're not that different. Taking a brief glance at those who were here before us, it seems Finland provided at least some previous foundation here.

    loc.gov/rr/european/FinnsAmer/finchro

    Are you for real or what? how much History and Evidence of treating people as UNEQUAL do you need? :slapface:

    Retards, Danny

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