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Actually Danny you said America. If you wish to call my answer excuses, do what thou wilt. The youth of America comment was a general statement, not intended for an answer to your question. The rest of your point is a concoction of whatever issue you are caring around in your head. You are trying to blame America, (and now all of a sudden, it's citizens) for a terrorist group that you feel Americans funded. Can't help you with that Dan. Honestly, I cannot be held responsible to give you factual answers, just my opinion. So it remains the same, the US government did not support the IRA. Best I can do Danny. While I won't say it's the most far fetched statement you are making, I just don't see any truth in it other than your misguided conviction to point a finger.

I am not Irish, so I have no idea what they are proud of. It's a term used by Irish people. It's my understanding they did not get along with your Country...Not sure why, as everyone else has always gotten along so well with your Country in the past.

Also, I take no offence to your personal jabs because I realize some need to act this way to compensate for lack of self esteem.

I will say this, you have excellent taste in music!

Regards

Hi MrZoso,

I did say "America" and by that I mean the people not the government, although your government let it happen and procured arms through the CIA, to answer the rest I would point you towards my signature.

The Catholic Irish population of Northern Ireland had everyright to defend their communities when they were attacked by the Protestans of Northern Ireland. The British sent in the Army to safeguard the Catholics and from then on it were wrong, both sides were to blame but maybe the British Government were the most to blame as they should have known that those two communities would never get along in a million years.

The only way to keep the peace in Northern Ireland is to either give it back to Southern Ireland, something that the Southern Irish do not want because of the finantial implications of how much it would cost in social security payments, or expel all the Catholics to the south.

The Catholics lost all credibility when their "self defence" turned in to mass murder, and I lay some of the blame squarely at the door of Irish Americans their Government and their security forces, and thats why I am so passionate at letting Americans know that Terrorism started way before 9/11 and in some ways they helped to fuel it.

Thats my position and where I stand.

Regards, Danny

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The real difference between us is I don't indulge myself in pointless, persistent bashing of other people's countries on the Led Zeppelin forum. I know all too well when America has fallen short of the principles upon which it was founded, yet even so I still believe in those principles. You don't seem to believe in anything - that's your perogative - but it's not my problem. Electrophile has stood up and said

what she believes in, ironically revealing she rather similarly seems not to believe in anything at all.

Hi Steve,

At last we agree on something, you got me there, I believe not in Politicians who all speak through forked tongues, but in the Hippocratic Oath, "Do no harm" and I understand your Patriotism not to attack your Country in public and your country should be proud of you for that. I am not sentimental towards my country or yours for that matter and unlike you I am not going to keep quiet about it either. But rest assured I will not abandon either England or the USA if times become expedient, I'll man the barricades with you or any other American Patriot that cares to stand up against tyranny and oppression.

And don't think you can nick that last line for your inaugural speech in the senate will you?

Regards, Danny

PS, Always a pleasure to do business with you Steve, cheers, no hard feelings on my part.

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Might I suggest I've a greater understanding of the facts and truth with regards to these issues than you can fathom? Our exchanges thus far certainly suggest that to be the truth. You are entitled to your opinions, what I take exception to is your penchant for spewing the most asinine, banal and overtly Anti-American views imaginable and then expecting others not only to tolerate it but to respond to it point by point. Taking into account what you have posted tonight it's clear to most your "evidence" and "facts" have already been discredited.

No Steve you may not suggest that you have greater understanding of the facts and truth with regards to these issues than I can fathom, where are your credentials to justify such an arrogant statement for one?

And my evidence is out there for all to see, you only have to ask and I will point you to it, but I know your not that foolish as to ask because you know as well as I do that all that I have said is Fact and can be backed up.

Now where exactly did you serve in the Military, because for one who is so knowledgeable I would assume a Military background, either you or family members or even friends.

The real difference between us I think is my ability to say where my country goes wrong and that's what you are unable to do. Our dear friend Electrophile has stood up and said in what she believes in and I give her great credit for that, something very lacking in most Americans everywhere, come on prove me wrong again wont you.

Now as you will never answer any of my questions while I have discredited all of yours I'll end this one way discussion now, its over due to lack of Fact, Truth and Evidence, and as Judge Judy would say, "Your case is dismissed due to lack of evidence"

Regards, Danny

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On the other hand given you just posted "I am not Anti-American at all" your just full of shit.

Steve, every time we argue you start to act like a spoilt little brat, call names and run away, or give Admin a call, when are you going to grow up and grow a pair and either show some evidence that America isn't what I have said it is or sulk away?

I have a stack of evidence to show you, just give me the go ahead and I'll point you in the direction of the Facts and the Truth, or can you still not handle the Truth?

Regards, Danny

PS, Or if you just want to have the last word then say so and I'll oblige.

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Funny analogy because many consider the IRA freedom fighters...Besides, show me proof it was the US government funding the IRA... Lots of proud Irish people who prospered in the US would have been suspect perhaps? Who knows.

Ben Loaden was not labeled a terrorist, ole hole in the head was self proclaimed. Hole in the heads feelings got hurt when his country/homeland wanted the US to help with an issue instead of hole in the heads army, which was offered, and refused.

So ole hole in the head... headed out and hooked up with the tailiban as he was banished from his home, and ole hole in the head held a grudge he needed to address...He then had to show his people he was right, so he decided to kill innocent people in the name of God to make his point. That also did not work out.

People believe lots of things... Elvis is alive, Hitler was alive...Bin loaden is alive, Virgins are waiting for them in heaven for blowing up themselves and innocent people up. We can only do the best we can with what we've got, and if that means being looked at in an unfavorable manner by some, well then so be it. The US is a young nation, learning as we go.

We have, and will make mistakes. For the most part our theory of freedom has been working well. The entire wold benefits from this belief. That's certainly is a fact.

Hi Mr Zoso,

I said "Americans" funded the IRA not the US Government, but they allowed it to go on and would do nothing to stop it therefore becoming COMPLICITE in the TERRORISM those funds were used for. Just as guilty as "Hole in the head" there then, so your President would be, as head of your country just as guilty as "Hole in the head" in any sane persons book then? is that right?

Your just full of excuses aren't you, Proud Irish? what's to be proud of? killing 3000+ innocent civilians, just goes to show that Young Nations are as Ignorant as Young People, but being Young is no excuse for Bad Behaviour, didn't your Parents teach you anything except how to dodge questions?

Regards, Danny

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The record shows I've agressively responded to most if not all of the inaccuracies you have posted tonight and thru the years (there are so many) however now that you've equated the United States Armed Forces with the SS only a damn fool would assign credibility to you.

So what Jack Nicholson said in the film "A Few Good Men" was right? "You cant handle the truth" nice one Steve you have made my day and my point, cheers.

Now if you don't like what I say about your Armed forces and your Government that's one thing, but to openly ignore any revelent questions I put and cherry pick what you want to answer only a damn fool would assign credibility to you, so if its too hot to handle you wont answer it right? OK Mr President I understand.

Regards, Danny

PS, Best if you keep you nose out of my posts in the future, I imagine its quite hard for a guy like you to be constantly challenged and put to right by a damn fool like me, enough said I think don't you?

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Citing an atrocity committed by one unit during the Vietnam War over 40 years ago to substantiate the broad, sweeping and wholly inaccurate statement that American Soldiers commit atrocities everywhere they go and the American Government try their dammed hardest to cover it up is a prime example of quintessential Big Dan logic.

By the way, with regard to the massacre and your assertion no one was brought to justice 26 U.S. soldiers were charged with criminal offenses and William Calley sentenced to life in prison (though he served only 3 1/2 years under house arrest). That isn't because the U.S. is the world's biggest terrorist organization as you claim, rather as a result of a Culture of Concealment within the Pentagon during what was among the most divisive times in American history.

Steve, you would make a good politician, you dodge what questions you cannot possibly justify.

Now justify the US Governments involvement in allowing the IRA to get funds from US sympathisers and allowing the CIA to procure weapons for them if you can, and its u-turn after 9/11, if you can do that I'll recommend you for President myself.

I have just seen a new hour long documentary on Me Lei on the history channel, as I said no justice for the INNOCENT people of Vietnam there, cover up was by a 3 Star general as well and a President. Do you want me to dig up more atrocities that your Military have committed and keep on doing so? you would give the SS a good run for their money there me old son. If you do you will help me make my point not yours, as I said for an intelligent guy you are_ _ _ _no I'll let you fill in the blanks.

Steve again you make my point, you use the word "WAS" rather than "IS" when referring to"Culture of Concealment within the Pentagon during what was among the most divisive times in American history." because your Government is still using that culture of Concealment to this day, it is part of their DNA to tell lies, the bigger the better in some cases.

Now you gonna try to answer some questions or continue to defend the indefensible and attack my credibility at the same time or what?

Regards, Danny

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Certainly the world is full of ignorant people with minimal if any understanding of American foreign policy, let alone America's history. Besides, people like them and I strongly suspect yourself aren't particularly concerned with civilian body counts, rather that unfortunate aspect of warfare is merely cited and exploited to fuel further Anti-American rhetoric.

Hi Steve,

For an Intelligent guy you come across as rather THICK sometimes especially when it concerns America Foreign Policy so I will endeavor to enlighten you.

I am not Anti American at all, although I am against some of the things that the American Government and Military have done and continue to do.

History in the case of America seems to continuously repeat itself with regard to Americas word when it comes to Treaty's, every so called Treaty with the Redskins was in fact violated even before the ink was dry was it not? you mentioned the "Law of Armed Conflict and perhaps even the Geneva Conventions" both of which are broken every day by some American GI somewhere in the world.

Its not the fact that American Soldiers commit atrocities everywhere they go but the fact that the American Military and the American Government try their dammed hardest to cover it up, My Lai is a prime example, 400+ civilians massacred and no one brought to justice, even the President (Nixon) stopped Justice being done on that occasion.

So please don't misconstrue my words any further, my hatred for what someone or some country does should not be thought of as hatred for that person or for that country. I have only admiration for the American People, and hatred for some of the things that the American Government and Military do, have I made myself clear now or do I need to re-post to make it crystal for ya?

Now please answer my question on how America changed tack after 9/11 in regard to the funding and procurement of arms in its support of the IRA? which went on for 3 decades, some ally you turned out to be, so now you can see how morally defunct this "WAR ON TERRORISM" has become for your Countries Government? cant you?

Regards, Danny

PS,America took over from Great Britain as the worlds police force after WW2, so enjoy it while you can for it is a job that is badly payed and very unappreciated by many, and like Rome and its Empire you will be forever hated, however hard you try and however good your intentions, that just goes with the job and the territory.

PPS, And please tell your President to stop evoking God when you get a Victory as God is neither a fan or supported of America or its Foreign policy, Jesus said "The meek will inherit the Earth" and that means that just as the Roman Empire Crumbled so will yours, as did the British one as well, and the Meek, well poor bastards as they are will most likely get about 6ft of earth just like the rest of us.

PPPS, Who are the Meek anyway? ain't seen any round my way for millennia.

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Original poster stated there is NO DIFFERENCE between terrorists and enemy combatants, a premise that is fundamentally flawed and legally incorrect. Whatever may have been brought to the discussion it certainly wasn't factual, let alone the truth.

Depends on which side of the fence you are sitting Steve, America in many peoples eyes are the Worlds Biggest Terrorists Organisation, and have killed a hundred times more innocent civilians than all the Official Terrorist Cells put together, that's certainly a fact.

And lets not forget that Bin Laden was a Freedom Fighter armed and equipped by the CIA long before he was labeled a Terrorist, he didn't change his beliefs only his Enemy, from the USSR to the USA, America only stopped funding the IRA AFTER 9/11. It makes me wonder sometimes who are the more Moral, the Terrorists or the State Terrorists.

Regards, Danny

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Terrorism by definition is the planned and skillful killing of innocent and unsuspecting people in able to cause confusion, panic and yes...terror. These people have done nothing wrong other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. This happened on 9/11/01 didn't it? All of those poor souls who died that day did nothing wrong besides showing up for work. None of them had any influence or lent any expertise into shaping U.S. foreign policy. None of them ever voted for unlimited foreign aide to Israel either. No, none of those poor people who died that day did anything wrong. Yet they died horrible deaths none the less.

Terrorists are no different than other armed members of an enemy army or other assorted armed combatants in general. The terrorists themselves have stated they're all "soldiers of the Jihad". So what's the problem? You hunt them down and either bring them to justice or kill them outright.

Where I have a personal problem with all of this is invading foreign nations. Iraq had nothing directly to do with 9/11 and Afghanistan is an under developed rat hole. What happened to Bin Laden should have been the plan all along when it comes to "the war on terror". Send in the special forces who are trained for a thing like this. Send them in to kill who needs to be killed.

The United States hasn't won many hearts globally by invading two nations the past decade. Are American citizens any safer because this was done? Really?

I'm not political so please no "democrats suck" or "republicans blow" comments. This issue goes way beyond partisan nonsense.

Hi 'dazedcat'

Good post, really good post, to be able to say what you said takes a type of Guts, Courage and Honesty that I have rarely seen around here, so good for you and keep up the good work, to bring the Truth out in the open for all to view.

Kind Regards, Danny

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I have many more pals across the pond who agree with me.....far more than you would ever imagine man :):)

No worries Spider, if you read more of my posts you will see that we look through the same spectacles, and I can imagine far more than you give me credit for.

Regards, Danny

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Does that mean you think Gheddafi's army of thugs are NOT terrorists just because they wear a uniform and are commanded by a (sick) army official??! Many despotic regime armies of the past and present were TERRORISts dressed up as SCUM soldiers:)! Any person, wheher in unifom or not who kills INNOCENT men, women and children in any country in the world and for any reason on Earth is a SCUM TERRORIST!!:)

That's no way to talk about our friends across the pond Spider.

Regards, Danny

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I hadn't put two and two together,then last week my wife said pretty much exactly what you said.I think that it is entirely feasible that any royal honeymoon would be postponed under the circumstances of that weekend.In the eyes of some he is the future King of a "crusader" nation that is an ally of the U.S. and all that implies.Britain also has many historic ties with Pakistan.

Hi All,

I'm pretty sure there was to be no Honeymoon Holiday that weekend, not because of the intended asSASsination of OBL but more so to evade the European Paparazzi from there incessant voyeurism of anything remotely interesting to their readers.

And lets not dwell to long on worrying about using words like "Crusade" please, because as any expert either Professional or Hamature (like myself) would know, the Muslims started this Holy-war or Jihad against Christianity long before any "Crusade" was planned by the West, so like the Scotch, Irish and the Welchers, they only have their selves to blame.

So I say "Good Riddance To Arse-Sama" and lets get it on with his replacement, whoever that Arsehole may be.

Regards, Danny

PS, Only this time can WE drop the lies and show some Holiday Snaps please?

[Beautiful Women]

Some very classy and talented actresses:

Helena Bonham Carter

Hi Magic,

I had the fortune to meet Helena once, I had to deliver something for a photo shoot she was on.

I knocked on the door and had no idea that Helena would open it, our eyes met, our hearts raced, but not a word was spoken as she signed for the item and slowly closed the door, leaving me out in the cold once more, but we both knew that under different circumstances we would have been together, well that's what I tell myself anyways. Just dont' let Misses BIGDAN get to hear about this as I'm sure she would get the wrong end of the stick.

Kind Regards, Danny

PS, She's a right little tart as well.

[Make me laugh!]

Q. Why do people call Gypsy Travelers "Pikeys"

A. Because there "Diddy Koi's"

Regards, Danny

[Make me laugh!]

PMSL your like my son, he would be naughty but say and do things in such a way, it would make you laugh, your the same my boy, you say all the un PC things but because your such a wit you get away with it while getting your opinion across..................more please .

You have a way with words.

Your Sky Collegue

Andy

You have me Sir, you have me,

What can I say? that which you have said describes me to a tee, I cannot defend the indefensible, I can only glee at your perception and insight in to both the past and to the future, shall I compare thee to a summers day? No No No, too much Patric Stewart in Star Trek have I been watching? Yes.

Anyways me ole mucker just who have SKY brought in to replace Keys and Grey? any info there?

Kind Regards, Danny

[Make me laugh!]

He is amazing, he really doen't have a clue howto conduct himself, yet he is part of The Family we look up to

Oh Contraire Mr Leddy Oh Contraire,

Prince Philip sees the world as I do, and he sees all this politicking as BS nonsense, so he takes the piss out of the plebs he encounters, lets face it there is no bigger office in the world that commands such respect as being King or Queen of England and the Commonwealth.

To meet Presidents who last less time in office than a good dose of the clap or to have to engage in social intercourse with a Camel Breathed Emir can be quite taxing on a Royal Mind, so he brings colour in to the encounter with his off the cuff banter, and if you can't Insult a Sultan who can you Insult?

Kind Regards My Old Chum, Danny

[Beautiful Women]

Well said Danny. I couldn't have put it any better myself! Mr. Spidersandsnakes seems to be a bit of an authority on what exactly constitutes 'porn'. I wonder why that is?!

Hi Magic,

"AUSTRALIAN"

Kind Regards, Danny

[Beautiful Women]

What I'm getting is this: a thread were there is ABSOLUTELY nothing porn or ambiguous to it, a bunch of very BIASED posters who think beauty is NOT in the eye of the beholder:) and a slight lack of freedom, but whatever....if we all had the same thoughts on things, how flat would that be??!:)

ROCK ON:)

Not as Flat as the Boobs on most of the Women you call Beautiful.

If you think you are not posting Porn then you need to think again matey, "Boobs and Fanny", are you sure you know what Porn is in all its disguises? I'm sure you don't, do you give any thought that some people (myself not included) could be offended by your pictures, that Minors are seeing what you post? that women don't want to see naked or half naked bodies spewed around on a thread that is for Beauty not Titillation? No, I thought not, and I'm sure you wont get the message that Kiwi and magic have been sending out to you, so carry on you ignorant uncouthed one.

Regards, Danny

PS, Why don't you start your own thread and see just how many people post on it? you could call it "Spiders Sluts" or something like that, just so people know where you are coming from you understand.

[Beautiful Women]

SALLY OLFIELD....sorry if her nude feet might offend anyone here....YOU GUYS REALLY MAKE ME LAUGH!!:), HEHEHEHEH

By blackglove at 2011-01-27

No ones offended Spider, if they were you'd be off of here by now, its more the Juvenile way you get your Total Post Count Up, very novel I'm sure, its a shame you don't get it though, I'm betting there is more to you that the shallow person you project.

Regards, Danny

[Beautiful Women]

Hmmm...I don't think anyone in their right minds would wanna mess with these tough mamas now, would they?

Warning : They are heavily armed!

Damn! These are my kind of women, for sure!

KIWI, well I never knew.

Kind Regards, Danny

[Beautiful Women]

Like Magic, I was wondering the same thing too, Danny!

If that lady is indeed Misses BIGDAN, then all I have to say is that, it is very very nice to meet her and I think she is really lovely! Fine addition to the beautiful women thread there Danny!

Hi Magic and Kiwi, and thank you both for your critical observations,

I can neither confirm or deny your accusations, (I'm running for President you see ) but you are both right, that Lady is both Beautiful and Dignified and a much better addition to this Topic than all of "Spiders Sluts" which would make a wonderful Topic in itself don't you think?

I have often wondered recently why someone would continually derail a thread and post such off topic pictures, then I remembered that when you come from a Mongrel Race one should expect this sort of debauched behavior, for a True English Gentleman of Breeding would Never resort to such Vulgar Tactics to get His or Her Total Post Count Higher, would one?

Kind Regards, Danny the Gent

[Make me laugh!]

Sorry it's so small.

Hi Khandie,

I hope you don't say that to all your boyfriends.

Can you blow up those photos please? and I don't mean

Regards, Danny

[Beautiful Women]

Now that what a Beautiful Woman looks like, fully clothed as well.

Regards, Danny

[Make me laugh!]

You F***er have to top my one...PMSL

Ok more Vampire jokes..............What do you call a vampire with a buisness ???..............................Vlad the retailer...

I have hundreds more

I wanna hear them Leddy, all of them.

What do you call a Vampire with Horns that Leaps around a lot? Vlad the Impala.

Kind Regards, Danny

PS, I just made that one up on the spur mate.