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On 7/28/2020 at 5:22 PM, badgeholder said:
Two red maracas, they're even picking up the light from above. He's also holding a drumstick which is pointing near his ear. I just listened to Kashmir and can't really hear them anywhere...(great version, btw). I think he was just trying something here, maybe it worked in rehearsals. Is there any film of this show?
Really bizarre. Hard to imagine he would be able to hold two maracas and a stick...not likely, because they would get in the way of any fills. Plus they wouldn't be audible with all the amplification. I think it must be a blur or illusion. Was Hot Dog played on Danelectro? Maybe, just maybe he tried it out on that. Kashmir makes no sense at all. No film of this show, AFAIK.
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4 hours ago, sixpense said:
At 5:04 on the track who do you hear?? 🙂
https://pastdaily.com/2020/04/12/tim-rose-in-session-1968-past-daily-soundbooth/
WOW!! I've been looking for this. Thanks for sharing. Actually this is really a gem, I don't believe there is any other recording of Bonzo with Tim Rose. I haven't been convinced with the stuff that's been posted on YT til now....this is definitely him. I wish I could download it or get a copy.
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I was a freshman at Lane Tech high school in Chicago, and I will never forget the awful feeling when a classmate told me that morning, that he heard on the radio, on his way to school that Bonzo had died. He saw that I had happily taken my full page Chicago Tribune Led Zeppelin tour announcement and ticket application form, out of my folder. I got up extra early that day to fill out the application for tickets to the upcoming dates the band were supposed to play at The Chicago Stadium in November. The paper came out overnight, in the wee small hours of Sep 25, so I woke up early at 5:30am to get my copy, fill out the form and post mark it ASAP. I was so happy and confident that I got my application sent early and was eagerly anticipating finally seeing my heros, especially Bonzo, in person! I had become obsessed with them about a year before and spent most of 8th grade and that summer of 1980, fanatically learning as much as I could , by listening to the albums at home, and tapes in my Walkman whenever in transit. At first I didn't really believe this kid, thinking maybe it was a false alarm. But, as I made my way through the halls during the passing period to my next class, the halls were abuzz with the terrible news... some kids were crying. I was crushed. Such a huge loss, to this day. In honor of the 40th anniversary of his passing, I decided to do this video.
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12 hours ago, Mr.Bones said:
This is an incorrect statement as Bonzo did indeed play in polyrhythms on several Zep tunes such as Fool in the Rain & Hots on for Nowhere just to name two. Then there are several songs where Bonzo is in one time while Page & Jones are playing in another.
Zep did some seriously complicated stuff while making it sound simple. Therein lay one of the genius and musicianship of Zeppelin.
Thank you !
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8 hours ago, Dan Dutcher said:
Baker's rhythms were more advanced than either Bonham or Moon. Polyrhythms not just 5/4 and 3/4. Just cause he did alot of drugs doesn't change that. Cantankerous prick. But not wrong. A jazz player that played great rock.
Absolute rubbish. Baker , a jazz player ??? Gimme a break. Swing is paramount , and Ginger couldn't fucking swing. Jazz player...LOL. Bonham had way more finesse, swing ( ironically ), a beautiful sound, incredible funk and feel, and his hands were way more developed than Ginger's single stroke takka takka takka chops. Bonzo played more interesting, and technically demanding combinations of rudiments and ideas than Baker. I just can't abide this nonsense about Ginger over Bonham. He was a huge influence no doubt, but nowhere near Bonzo's abilities.
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This whole tape situation seems bizarre. These frustrating snippets of Levee and inexplicably dumb cut to Black Dog ending beg the question , why? A full LA 75 board tape is coming soon and this is still tied up ?? Makes me wonder if the actual tape wasn't bought, and only bits were sold as copies / samples. Also, don't you just love when a sample is half Plantation....fuckin' hell. 😒
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A very unique Bonzo beat.
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6 hours ago, Bonzo_fan said:
Lmao, what an honour 🤓
LOL. Well, I'm going to go on a limb and assume pianissimo hasn't been used here either. I wouldn't say Bonzo came in pianissimo, maybe somewhere like mezzo-forte to forte. 🤓
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5 hours ago, Sticks of Fire said:
They were done on C120 tapes. If the sound guy started the tape several minutes early it was just bad luck Side A ran out during The Wanton Song.
Yes, and it was the first date, maybe the bloke was careless or new or high or whatever , and got shit for his error that night....or not.
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15 minutes ago, rm2551 said:
Agree. It didn't seem to be a killer track live. I'd still love it though....
I find it odd that they didn't use an echo effect for the drums, and instead, Bonzo approximates the effect by doubling the bass and snare notes.
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So, I wonder if someone got the whole tape, and they're fucking with fans...or they only got these 4 songs. Another "teaser" ...why is Wanton partial??!! Tiresome .
Here's pics. This guy is asking $78!
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Our latest....Since I've Been Loving You
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On 7/29/2020 at 12:11 PM, Cookie0024 said:
Thanks for sharing Jason's Instagram post. I've contacted the auction and asked them for comment on Jason's post - will see if they respond to him.
Did the seller say the sticks in the photos are the actual one's the buyer would receive? Also wondering who this seller is and how they acquired them? Is it Ocheltree himself, or someone he knows selling on his behalf? 🤔
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14 hours ago, zeplz71 said:
There's only one reference in the book: JEFF OCHELTREE (drum tech who assisted Bonham on 1977 US tour) Mick made £45 a week working for Zeppelin at the beginning. He just kept doing the same things, taking drugs and never really developing as a drum tech. That’s why they treated him as a class clown and dressed him up as a butler.
After an interview for that book, this was the only worthwhile quote? He has no first hand knowledge and what a jerk to even say this. Notice his credit -- Jeff was a "drum tech" who happened to "assist" Bonzo in 1977 in some vague way. B.S. As usual, no details and it's no longer "toured with Zeppelin" like previously claimed, nothing on recording Presence, ITTOD, Knebworth, 1980 tour. But somehow he's qualified to be making instructional videos and interviews on the green sparkle kit or recording in the studio for their last two albums, yeah right.
The response from the auction to Cookie above ---
"we know Jeff Ocheltree knew John Bonham".... And how do you know this? Because Jeff says so?
"Jeff knew John there is no question to that," Well yes, there is BIG question to that claim.
"he was John’s Tech and even went on tour with Led Zeppelin, this is right from Jeff’s mouth"... This is a false claim
Regarding the auction, "They have an excellent provenance coming from Jeff Ocheltree. " Literally have the Bonham family (through Jason) completely refuting this guy so....
Yes, agreed there are way too many holes in his story but , it is possible he worked for Bonzo in a limited capacity . The guy has a serious history of working for many top class drummers, and that is beyond refute. He was Billy Cobham's tech and even Jason acknowledged they met. Maybe he and Bonzo hit it off, as he claims and Bonzo may have brought him on to do some work along side Hinton. In which case it's very likely he would have had a chance to grab some worthless broken sticks after a gig. Those sticks look like the real deal. The provenance is a problem though.
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13 hours ago, dave2007 said:
It was Mick Hinton on the Europe 80 tour. ( per Dave Lewis book "Feather In The Wind --Over Europe 80 )
Thanks, and I have that book!! 🙄
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Maybe Sam or Steven A Jones would know who Bonzo's tech was for Europe 80 tour, if not Hinton.
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2 minutes ago, Bozoso73 said:
Is he still alive?
No, he passed in 2007. He was on the Forum a bit though.
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4 hours ago, Cookie0024 said:
I think the auction site is referring to the final photograph in the listing of Bonham on stage - they're clarifying that he's not shown playing with the sticks up for auction in that photograph.
Fair enough, but the wording is terrible... as it makes most people think the photo of the sticks shown with the listing isn't the same as what they are actually selling. You have to click on the photo to expand which then reveals the other photos , including the one of Bonzo. If you don't , you just see one photo, at least on my browser. I don't doubt those are Bonzo's sticks actually, because they do look authentic. The questions looming around Jeff Ocheltree's relationship with Bonzo though are very concerning. Clearly he has a long and very respected career as a tech for people like Billy Cobham, Mike Clark, Santana ( Cindy Blackman) Vinnie Coliauta and many others.
Maybe Jeff did work for Bonham on a few occasions from '77 to 80, most likely not earlier based on his statements. Jeff claims that they met while he was working at a show Billy Cobham did in June 1975 at the Crystal Palace in London. Maybe they hit it off and Jeff was invited by Bonzo to assist in tech duties at Musicland for the recording of Presence later that year. However, Jason claims that they met in LA in 1977.
Maybe Jeff teched for some gigs in the US in 77... and maybe he was at Polar studios and Knebworth too, but as Jason said, no one in the camp that he talked to remembered him, including Cole. Mick Hinton so far as I know, never mentioned him in any public statements. Also, it's odd that Jeff wouldn't go into more detail about his role with Bonham, where and when he was working as a tech, any other references, stories, or pictures...nothing. I've never heard him say in a video that he was at Musicland or Polar studios, but he does go into detail about the mics used to record Bonzo in the studio. Who knows how accurate that info is.
The most questionable claims about Bonzo's drums come right at the beginning of his DVD ...where he says " I'm standing next to a 1971 green sparkle John Bonham drumkit....and these drums were used, on many sessions". ????? Those are not likely Bonzo's drums, by all counts his green sparkle kits are in the possession of the Bonham estate, with an exception being a rumor of a private collector owning one. If he simply put together his own version of Bonham's kit , he should have said " this is a John Bonham style drumkit" or something similar. Otherwise, he should have said more about the kits provenance in the video. Any drum fanatic knows, you'd want more of that type of info about a legendary drummers kit!! He makes good overall points about tuning, sound etc...but he also makes some little inaccurate statements about Bonzo's set -up, drum heads, etc. which are odd if he was truly his tech.
All that being said, it is possible that Jeff was an acquaintance that may have done some itinerant work for Bonzo in the late 70's , because he was clearly a very experienced drum tech .... but Jason's statement seems to really refute that claim. Too bad we can't ask Mick Hinton. Does anyone here know if Hinton worked for Bonham in 1980 in Europe? If not, who was his tech??
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11 hours ago, zeplz71 said:
Long overdue. And in that auction he's referring to, the description says that the photos of the drum sticks are not the ones being offered for sale. wtf? They show a photo of legit Bonzo sticks, but you can't see what they're actually selling. Fake ass shit should be pulled.
"the maplewood drumsticks...are embossed hickory....". 🙄 GTFOH
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CDM2ajGM4hT/?igshid=6tnnn76f4o74
This affirms what I have suspected for a long time. Not sure about the stick auction, but Jeff Ocheltree's specious claims are finally addressed in this post by Jason today. I've never seen Jason interact so much with his followers comments as he did here. Clearly he has had enough, but, I was actually surprised he didn't do this earlier.
My main question now is, was Hinton his tech onstage in 77, Knebworth and Europe '80? I thought he wasn't in the later years.
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4 hours ago, badgeholder said:
Wasn't there one from the 80's called "Pussy & Cock"?
LOL yes, Seattle 75 I think ...Tarantura
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Unburied Dead Zeppo's Grave is so bad it's awesome in a cult movie way.
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3 hours ago, John M said:
Great clip. Go to 7:10 to see Dave and Jimmy talking about the 1977 backstage photo. Hilarity ensues.
Great little spot...thanks for sharing, hadn't seen that before.
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8 hours ago, gibsonfan159 said:
Watts' drum recording sounds so damn good on this. The others? Meh.
Its not Charlie. Its a guy named Bruce Rowland, played with Fairport Convention and Joe Cocker.
Remembering John Bonham.
in Led Zeppelin Master Forum
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The pastdaily.com link above is obviously Bonzo. No mistaking him there. The other clips that have been around don't sound like Bonzo to me, but this one is distinctly different . Its from a date that isn't found on YouTube either. I couldn't find another one on the interwebs.