Mook
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I have to say I find them to be absolutely awful.
I'm not surprised there are only about 7 or 8 people like them on a Led Zeppelin forum, one band of geniuses, another who sound like a group of teenagers picking up musical instruments for the first time.
I usually have to leave the pub when Blitzkrieg Bop comes on the Jukebox, what a fucking racket.
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Just to add that I wasn't having a go at anyone, it's just something that you see in the tabloid papers here, a picture of someone getting out of a car & the caption will say, "insert name looking miserable.", do these journalists do a star jump out of their car with a giant smile on their faces? People don't go around smiling all the time & still photographs tends to reflect this.
I'm sure John Bonham had some nice moments with his family and with the band in 1980 whatever else was going on in his head.
Such a terrible loss really, I never fail to break down a wee bit when I read about his death.
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I always laugh when I see people drawing so much information from a still picture, you can take a picture of the happiest person at the wrong moment & they can look fraught with worry.
I'm not saying Bonham didn't have his problems or demons, he clearly did and he did look older than his years (the drink does that to people), however, I don't see the point in studying a picture to the nth degree to attempt to ascertain what was going on at that point in time.
We all know he was having trouble getting round his kit towards the end, it's more than likely that he was trying pretty hard to lose weight in order to remedy that.
John Bonham had his ups and downs like a lot of people and died as a result of an accident. The remaining members of the band have kept a lid on things out of respect for his family and themselves I would guess and hats off to them.
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Well if the choices are:-
1) Go on the road with the World's greatest rock band & enjoy all the excesses of sex, drugs & rock'n'roll or,
2) Stay in London & sit behind a desk pushing pens all day
I know which one I would be going for.
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On 19/07/2017 at 0:51 PM, babysquid said:
I think the slap back echo in Candy Store Rock was a nod to the early rock n roll recordings of the 50's which the song was trying to emulate
What he said, it's clearly a pastiche of the early rock'n'roll stuff Page & Plant loved so much.
I love Candy Store Rock, it never fails to raise a smile in my house.
Presence is a great album, in fact these days I find it's the Zeppelin studio album I go back to most (probably because I've listened to the first six so much).
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5 hours ago, Strider said:
Do you have the original 1976 TSRTS album? Either on vinyl or the first cd release? A simple A>B comparison will show you what you are missing.
Yes, the sound is improved...but not enough to compensate for the gouged bits.
Yeah, I have the original CD, to be honest I hadn't listened to it for a few years before the remastered one came out and not since. I do remember a difference in No Quarter (probably because it's my favourite song on the LP).
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14 minutes ago, Strider said:
Can't believe I have to explain this again at this late date, as it should be common knowledge by now after the endless discussions that have been had on the subject of TSRTS Massacre.
1. Film rights vs. Music rights. This whole debacle could have been avoided by Jimmy Page if, instead of saying he was remastering/restoring "The Song Remains the Same" movie, he announced he was putting together a 1973 Madison Square Garden compilation release. Because when you are talking about a film, the director of the film has rights that are rigorously guarded by the DGA and AMPAS...not one frame of film can be changed without the director's approval.
Guess what? By the time Jimmy Page decided to do something about TSRTS, the director Joe Massot had died. That's when Jimmy should have aborted and changed his focus to putting out an audio-only release of the 1973 MSG shows.
2. By sticking to the film, Jimmy could remaster the sound all he wanted, but he could not add or subtract any footage. All the original edits (the short Black Dog, the sloppy Dazed transition, the missing No Quarter segue, the butchered Whole Lotta Love) had to, pardon the pun, remain the same. Any new songs could not be inserted into the movie at the proper point in the setlist, but added on as bonus footage on a separate disc. Celebration Day, The Ocean, etc. were tacked onto the DVD releases, but any theatrical showings of TSRTS would still be missing the extra songs.
3. While the film could not be touched, that didn't mean the soundtrack album had to remain the same. It is here where Jimmy's thinking is puzzling. Was he just being lazy in having the new remastered TSRTS album mirror the film exactly, bad edits and all, even though the original soundtrack didn't mirror the film in 1976? Were other people involved in the decision process...corporate bean counters? Kevin Shirley? There simply exists no rationale, other than laziness, for what they did to the new TSRTS soundtrack.
I never listen to it. When I want to hear 1973 MSG, I put on my original TSRTS album or one of the MSG bootlegs. I can excuse Jimmy's editing of RAH '70 and the BBC sessions and HTWWW.
The butchering of the remastered TSRTS was inexcusable and a failure to fans and the Led Zeppelin legacy.
The sound on it is great in my opinion though.
I don't listen to many bootlegs either & I have to say I really enjoy it as I don't really know what's been cut out.
Having said that, I'm never entirely sure why he feels the need to chop & change so much, they were such a great live band.
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I would be out of there as well, no sign of any HP sauce on that table so they can fuck off with their lobster.
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2 hours ago, JTM said:
I love the early stuff, his first four solo albums, the two Jeff Beck albums, (the) Faces albums, all great, then along came Smiler, that was the end for me.
In A Broken Dream too is a great song too, with Python Lee Jackson.
I think he was making decent enough music up until Blondes Have More Fun in 1978 although I wasn't around at the time & you can see things definitely took a bit of a nose dive around the time Smiler came out.
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Focus were absolutely amazing, I have Moving Waves & Focus 3, which are both brilliant albums, I don't have the live one but I'll need to get a hold of it at some point.
I saw them live in Edinburgh about three years ago, I think Van Leer (Keyboards/Vocals) & Van der Linden (Drums) were the only 'original' members but they played great & I would definitely go & see them again.
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If I had to pick one track, I would probably go for Good Times Bad Times, it changed rock drumming overnight & still sounds absolutely mental nearly 50 years on.
After that I would probably go for Kashmir, which is an monument of groove & restraint & Achilles Last Stand, which again is just nuts.
I might be on my own here but if I had to pick an album to showcase Bonham, it would maybe be Presence, he really was on fire throughout that recording & some of it is his most inventive playing.
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34 minutes ago, The Rover 75 said:
I'm going to have to completely disagree, to me everything post-Moon was shiite, to each their own.
I am glad our boys decided not to carry on without Bonzo. Never tarnished the legacy.
Agreed 100%.
If only other bands had maintained their dignity the way Led Zeppelin did.
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Found another one...
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16 hours ago, Mook said:
It's traditional grip he's using and to my eyes that looks like a 1972 hair cut.
Actually, it's quite possibly a February '70 haircut & beard.
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8 minutes ago, 76229 said:
I'd say back garden of Bonzo's place in West Hagley, before he moved to Old hyde farm. The drying rags are probably what he used to clean the bike. The pic has a very 1970/ 1971 look about it.
OT, but looks like he's using a matched grip?!
It's traditional grip he's using and to my eyes that looks like a 1972 hair cut.
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On 09/06/2017 at 2:08 PM, tmtomh said:
I disagree. Yes, the casual fan is not going to be interested in many of the companion tracks. And I agree some tracks are fairly pointless, providing very minor variations (e.g. Rock and Roll, Kashmir). And I agree that the companion-disc versions of Fool in the Rain, All My Love, and I'm Gonna Crawl on ITTOD sound terrible and it's an embarrassment that Page included them.
But having revisited all 67 of the companion tracks (excluding the live Paris show companion to Zep I), my argument is that about half of them - just over 30 - are very worthwhile.
I'm sympathetic to the argument that they could have released the best companion tracks on a single 3-CD set - and if they had, I am confident many naysayers would've changed their tune. But even so, these tracks are available inexpensively on CD - when they came out the Deluxe CDs could be had for as little as $1 or $2 more than the album-only CDs. Not to mention the companion tracks always have been available a la carte for $1.29 or so from the online music download sites. So I don't think how they organized them or priced them is a problem.
At any rate, here are the tracks I think are valuable, and here's a key to my reasons for each one. Would be very interested in others' perspectives.
Key to Reasons for Inclusion on the List:
- Previously unreleased (either totally unreleased, or never officially released)
- Significantly or totally different version, take, or mix
- Better sound than prior masterings
- Instrumental version that's interesting and/or benefits from removal of vocal
- Similar to album version but with better or interestingly different sonics or mix
Zep III
Since I've Been Loving You (first take) (2) (totally different take)
Bathroom Sound (4)
That's the Way (rough mix with dulcimer) (2) (totally different version, and at original speed/pitch
Jennings Farm Blues (1)
Key to the Highway/Trouble in Mind (1)I enjoyed your post although I think the companion disc versions of Immigrant Song & Gallows Pole are two of the most crucial ones for me, both brilliant versions.
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On 02/06/2017 at 10:24 PM, Dallas Knebs said:
expensive ones.
Bonzo and Plant never escaped their pub roots as performers. Plant intimated this on numerous occasions.
Robert Plant talks a load of rubbish at the best of times, I'd be interested to see the quotes you're referring to though?
John Bonham was known in the early days as claiming to be the best drummer in the World, he changed the face of rock drumming overnight with his drumming on the first LP, hardly a 'pub rock'-type situation. Robert Plant had a similar effect on vocalists, influencing everyone from Roger Daltrey to Geddy Lee. They may have enjoyed playing in smaller rooms (who doesn't?) but their influence on the musical World was immeasurable.
I'm not sure if they're virtuosos myself but I think there's a huge grey area between being Paganini & playing bar room rock.
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1 hour ago, Dallas Knebs said:
I don't know that LZ changed music
to me they are a bar band that played larger venues.
What fucking bars are you drinking in?
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11 hours ago, John M said:
I hear you about the early Beatles but they were superb songwriters and craftsmen. They also played everything in addition to writing most of it, so not really a "boy band". Many of their songs up through the album Help are fantastic, and I think they started to stretch the boundries a bit earlier than Rubber Soul. A year before Rubber Soul they released Beatles for Sale with "I'm a Loser" and "No Reply". In April 65 they released Ticket to Ride. In July 65 they released Help and I'm Down, an amazing gritty, powerful rocker. In August the Help album included "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away." Rubber Soul is great and on the same day it was released (Dec 3, 1965) they put out a double A side single with Day Tripper (one of the early riff based classics) and We Can Work it Out.
One thing about the Beatles is that released so many fantastic singles that never appeared on albums. As another example, in June 1966 two months before Revolver they released one single with BOTH Paperback Writer and Rain !!!
Spot on, a lot of The Beatles' early stuff was absolutely brilliant & light years ahead of the likes of Gerry & the Pacemakers.
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Gutted, I had to listen to The Royal Scam last night, there is so much going on in those songs.
Pretty much everything they did in the 70s was pure class, I've not really listened to the stuff from Goucho onwards.