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23 minutes ago, sam_webmaster said:
This was taken in New Orleans in Feb/March 1975, while they stayed there during some time off. I have a couple of other photos of this jam as well.
Brilliant, thanks.
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On 20/03/2017 at 8:35 PM, bluecongo said:
A nice simple 30 minute acoustic set one off performance would be so EASY for them to pull off to commemorate 50th anniversary. No reason not to except egos & lawyers
Or because one or more of them don't want to.
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3 minutes ago, SteveAJones said:
It's allegedly a jam with a local band circa 1980, but I don't have any other details.
Robert Plant's first public performance since Oakland '77 was in July 1978 when he sat in with local Midlands band Melvin's Marauders (aka Melvin Giganticus and the Turd Burglers) at the Wolverly Memorial Hall in Worcestershire, however John Bonham was not there.
Thanks.
It looks earlier than 1980 to me but I could well be wrong (wouldn't be the first time).
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Another couple of interesting ones...
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Where & when was this taken?
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This doesn't prove anything as it's from a different gig but you can see he's using coated heads on his toms here...
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3 hours ago, porgie66 said:
Haha, we are really getting into geeked out minutiae here but ...look at the gloss on that 14 inch tom head, its too shiny to be a coated head IMO. It has a different texture look than the snare head. I wish there were more pics of the kit from back or above. Maybe he was experimenting at this time, just before the loud Vistalites arrived. The clear heads offer more in terms of projection, less warmth. Could be?!
Yeah, I don't think we can really get to the bottom of it without more pictures. I'm still in shock about the clear head on the bass drum to be honest.
Be great to see more of these though, love them & you can really get a feel for what it must've been like to have played to those crowds.
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1 hour ago, porgie66 said:
I have to disagree with you there. That bass drum head is definitely clear. No way you'd see that much detail through a coated head. You can also clearly see the felt strip at the bottom. The tom also looks too smooth and reflective to be white coated. That looks like a reflection of the mic, not a shadow. Wondering about those floor toms.
Having looked again, you are right about the bass drum head, it's clear, the angle was throwing me - apologies.
The heads on the toms are coated though, I'm certain of that.
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On 11/08/2016 at 3:41 PM, porgie66 said:
Really surprised to see a clear bass drum batter side head on the green sparkle kit! The mounted tom head looks clear too. I assumed he always had coated heads before he used the vistalites. Interesting...great shot!
I don't think any of the heads are clear, the bass drum symbol is shining through to the beater head & the tom head is definitely coated, it's the shadow of the microphone you are seeing there.
Love the photographs in this thread, never seen some of them before.
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17 minutes ago, Dane1968 said:
Hypothetically if everything was well within Led Zeppelin, you would have to ask where would they go musically into the 1980's?
The 1970's had become an embarrassment: the music, fashions, lifestyles, shag pile carpets etc. Everything was about being new: new music styles, computer technology so on. The 70's were fantastic but things move on or get left behind.
There was the New Wave of British Metal like Iron Maiden, New Wave pop bands like Human League, poorly educated Punk rockers. If you were past 30 years old it was over. Many successful rock bands of the 70's did not know how to fit in. Kiss were struggling, Aerosmith, Deep Purple and the Stones likewise. The great irony is that many older bands had improved playing and songwriting wise, with no body in the general public interested.
Some of the top selling LPs in 1980 were The Wall (Pink Floyd), Emotional Rescue (Rolling Stones), The Game (Queen) & Back in Black (AC/DC) so there were plenty of 70s rockers doing well for themselves going into the 80s.
Also worth point out that Deep Purple split up between '76 & '84 & writing off punk rockers as 'poorly educated' is a bit of a sweeping generalisation when a lot of them came out of art schools.
Having said that, I'm of the opinion that some things belong in a certain time & place & I would apply that to Led Zeppelin & the 1970s, I think it's for the best that they broke up & left a pretty untarnished reputation musically.
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18 minutes ago, IpMan said:
The real irony here is I may be guilty on my judgement of some of Plant's remarks, while I try to explain my own.
We humans are a funny bunch indeed.
Ha ha, you're not far wrong there.
I don't think Robert Plant's remarks need an awful lot of scrutiny to be honest, he would probably be the first person to admit he talks a load of tripe (it's one of the things I find endearing about him actually).
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13 minutes ago, IpMan said:
I think tone and affect are lost on the keyboard to a certain point as I believe what you infer as anger is simply observation and nothing more. Honestly, unless someone is dropping F bombs or typing in all caps, or being downright insulting, I do not sense anger at all in these posts.
Yes, Charlie Jones was / is a great bass player in his own right. I have no problem with nepotism if the bloke can do the job well and is held to the same standards as the others. Though if I were in Charlie's shoes I would worry every time me and the wife got into an argument, I may get my walking papers from Plant.
Plant: Sorry Charlie, you pissed off my sweet little muffin princess, gotta let you go mate. Hey, do you by any change have Paul Martinez's number???
Apologies, yes - it appears I misunderstood the tone of your earlier post.
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6 minutes ago, the chase said:
Well yeah.. besides they seem to be good now, and that's all that really matters.
But this a Led Zeppelin website right?.. so discussing LZ, their music, its members and history is why it exists.. it kind of goes with the territory.
I agree, it just amazes me how angry some people seem to get about it all.
For the record, I think some of the Page & Plant stuff was amazing, the Kashmir with the orchestra, The Truth Explodes & Thank You are things I often go back to watch on Youtube, would it have been much better with John Paul Jones? Maybe, but you can see why they went ahead without him. The other boy was a great bass player too.
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Some people take all this stuff far too seriously, there are people starving to death in the World, I'm not going to lose any sleep about what some millionaire rock stars say about each other in the press.
The Page & Plant thing was 20 years ago, it was great, it's done, no point crying over spilt milk now.
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10 hours ago, IpMan said:
I believe in a middle ground with a graduated tax schedule capping out at 70% max per the Laffer Curve.
Yes, well some sort of middle ground where the rich aren't constantly getting richer while the poor live in squalor would be a good start.
Anyway, apologies for dragging things off topic.
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On 25/02/2017 at 2:12 PM, The Old Hermit said:
The then-Labour government should be blamed in this case, absolutely they should; forcing people who have become successful in life's endeavors to leave their home and family rather than hand over the near-totality of their earnings to the government isn't socialism, it's outright tyranny... Zeppelin were right to leave, but they shouldn't have been forced to in the first place, no-one should.
Anyone who lived in the UK that time will remember just how BAD things were... but then, every time Labour is in 10 Downing Street, they always end up wrecking the country.
So we should just let some people earn 100 times what other people earn?
No, capitalism is destroying the World and people defending it are the problem.
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12 hours ago, ThreeSticks said:
At the end of the day, the people who really deserve to be blamed are labour and the UK tax laws at the time. Rod Stewart said in the mid-70's he was paying 98 cents to the dollar in taxes by living in England. So he had to get out and live in California. There's a reason why almost every British musician left the country in the 1970's. That kind of tax rate is utterly insane. If forced musicians into making some very hard decisions.
Why does anyone have to be blamed for anything? The tax laws were what they were (I'm a socialist myself so have no issues with them) & no-one was forced to stay in any country against their will as far as I'm aware.
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I once found a clip of Bonham doing a mini-solo/ending to a song, it was the US tour 1975, he had his full Clockwork Orange outfit on & it was taken from his left hand side (where Mick Hinton used to stand), it lasted about 30 seconds I think & there was a load of really quick right foot stuff. I saw it about 8 or 9 years ago on Youtube & have never been able to find it again, can anyone help?
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4 minutes ago, Stryder1978 said:
So, did having Jason Bonham sitting in for O2 concert warrant passing the gig off as a "Led Zeppeln" show?
Fine for a one off but we all know it wasn't really Led Zeppelin deep down.
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1 hour ago, morningson said:
I would tend to agree with IpMan. Plant knew the time was up before Bonham's death and that simply confirmed it.
I have long thought this. Robert Plant is the true keeper of the Zeppelin flame, whether for the right or wrong reasons, depending on your viewpoint. Plant is very keen for the past to remain in the past and to move forward and as a result, the Zeppelin legacy is largely intact save for a few disastrous and ill-advised reunions.
Plant was obviously disillusioned with Zeppelin before the end and seeing as he had lost his boy, who could blame him? The only reason they carried on after Karac was because Bonham talked him round after himself coming under pressure from Grant and possibly Page.
There are elements of his own past in Zeppelin that Plant is not proud of, he has gone on record about his preening and wailing and not liking some of his lyrics (although I think his lyrics in all Zeppelin are great) and maybe that is something to do with his reluctance in reforming properly.
It is well-known that Page and Jones wanted to capitalise on the positive reaction from the 02 concerts and go on the road as Led Zeppelin, but Plant said no. Unbelievably they toyed with touring with a new singer and even held some auditions. Can you imagine if that happened? Led Zeppelin with Steve Tyler on tour? I have nothing against Steve Tyler but NO. Not Led Zeppelin.
So, anyway, Plant, for better or worse, should be thanked for Zep's legacy.
And Pagey, if you are reading this, an excellent way to preserve a legacy is to release some more DVD's!!!! And don't tell me there is no material - because there is!!!! And if you don't want to look for it because Kenneth Anger is still in the basement then I will go and have a look for you.
I agree 100% with everything in this post.
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I would've though In My Time of Dying & Achilles Last Stand would have been as tough as anything they ever composed.
How Many More Times is a long piece with many different parts too, although I suspect a lot of that was written during their first gigs together & came together quite naturally,
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3 hours ago, babysquid said:
Yes you're quite right I had heard that. Forgive me if I'm wrong but I think it was his retort in the context of others suggesting he should be using a black guitarist. Somehow Chick Corea, Joe Zanziwal, Dave holland and others slipped under the radar!
No, I think you're 100% correct.
I don't believe Miles Davis had any issues working with white musicians if he considered them to be good enough. Whether he believed Page was good enough is open to conjecture although I would point out that a guitarist like John McLaughlin is in a different league to Jimmy Page, Page would be the first person to admit this & in fact went to McLaughlin for guitar lessons in the 60s.
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14 hours ago, babysquid said:
Although he was interested in collaborating with Jimi. And as to his supposed aversion to white people he certainly used John Mcglaughlins services a lot.
He did, but he was quoted as saying (regarding McLaughlin) that if anyone could find a black guitarist better than him, he would hire the black guitarist.
Having said that, it was a quote I read in his autobiography so it could've been said quite flippantly.
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Although I love both Miles Davis & Led Zeppelin, I'm not so sure Davis would've been interested in a collaboration, he said that the Jimi Hendrix Experience sounded like "hillbillies" (on account of the group containing two white people), I'm not sure that 'white rock' was his thing. I suspect a collaboration with Ed Hazel might've been more likely.
1977 Close Up Behind John Bonham Drums Pic's
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I'm really not sure about the snare head at all.
The person who wrote the website below appears to agree with you about the clear tom head on the earlier picture although again, I remain unconvinced.
http://users.tpg.com.au/adsle4l5/johnbonhamdrums/index2.html