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  1. Steve, I found this correspondence from Bill Bonham in the letters column of the December 2007 issue of Brum Beat:

    "I'm so happy to have found your page. I now live in Anaheim, California but was raised as a kid at the "Three Men In A Boat" pub in Walsall where I remember all these great bands. I played with Robert Plant in a band called "Obs-Tweedle" and Ace Kefford in another "Ace Kefford Stand" as well as in a band called Spread Eagle. I also played for "Sight And Sound" in the early 70s as well as the Terry Reid Band. I was and still am a keyboard player.

    It has been such a long time, but Obs-Tweedle actually started when Tommy Burton left. Mac Bailey and the bass player at that time formed a group with another drummer called "The Answer" I also joined. We actually played in Casablanca and Germany where we changed guitarist to a guy from Scotland. I know we changed personnel a few times and when Robert Plant joined, my father who ran the Three Men In A Boat Pub in Walsall suggested "Obs-Tweedle". That was the band that Jimmy Page and Peter Grant came to see at Walsall College and Robert went to what was then "The Yardbirds" and I joined Terry Reid. When I left Reid, Ace Kefford had just abandoned "The Stand" though Ace and myself did play as the Ace Kefford Stand. Also as Kefford-Bonham and when we got a drummer, we changed our name to "Spread Eagle". We broke up around 1970.

    Thank You - Bill Bonham."

    So we've established so far it wasn't Robert's band and it was Bill Bonham's father who came up with the name, not any of the band members. Note the spelling though. It's with a hyphen not an apostrophe. So what does Obs-Tweedle mean? Obs is sometimes used as a standard dictionary shortening of "obscure". I've found one dictionary mention of tweedle:

    –verb (used without object)

    to produce high-pitched, modulated sounds, as a singer, bird, or musical instrument.

    –verb (used with object)

    to lure by or as by music: The Pied Piper tweedled the children into following him.

    Maybe Obs-Tweedle thus means "Obscure sound"?

    Meg

    So the name essentially doesn't have anything to do with hobbits, which is a relief as I've read LOTR numerous times and couldn't place the name.

    Also, this was the period when many bands were using names that were essentially nonsense syllables, or had only some sort of private meaning. In other words, they chose the name just because the word(s) sounded cool.

    Edit for speling.

  2. I'm using only ones and zeros here. The rest is magic.

    Aren't we all, such is the binary system that lives inside our computers--and you are the sorcerer's apprentice!

    However, as RP never quite got the hang of apostrophe use, my feeling is that its use in that ad was incorrect. He would have been more inclined to leave them out than to put them in, unnecessarily.

  3. Thanks--yes I know, but what I mean is that there's a difference in being a founding member and it being HIS band. Just wondered.

    On the subject of apostrophes, and apart from the fact that many people use apostophes incorrectly :whistling: , Mr Plant would seem to be one of them, as witness "Achilles Last Stand" and "All the Kings Horses" (there are probably other examples). Not an apostrophe to be seen!

    Edit: OK, you answered my first question while I was typing. So he was the guy in charge, as it were.

  4. This one passage makes his entire claim dubious to me, for as I understand it Jimmy

    accompanied Jackie to New York City, not Los Angeles.

    To be fair, he doesn't say that, the author Pete Sutcliffe does. So it could be his mistake.

  5. :beer: just got back from it - it was .....

    FAIRPORT CONVENTION at Kinver KCA. (go to www.wolverley.org)

    Outstanding performance - including a superb double violin attack.

    ......... AND, must just give a mention to their special guest for the evening -

    yes it was Mr. Robert Plant doing a few songs including Battle Of Evermore.

    anyway, it's 1:32 am here, and I'm off to bed, night all :wave:

    I was jealous before you even got to the Plant part! :o He's been a loyal supporter of that band, bless 'im.

  6. As do memorial and gravestone but I wasn't looking to argue semantics here. Now that we are...look at the gravestone. It isn't a public memorial as such, it marks his grave.

    I just brought up the point because you said "scattered (interred)" as if they were synonymous.

    I have to admit it sounds more like a memorial to me as well. But whatever the deal is--it's incredibly touching.

  7. I believe Terry was first managed by his father when he joined Peter Jay and the Jaywalkers, at the age of 15. Their last single was called "The Hand That Don't Fit the Glove" and was credited as Terry Reid and the Jaywalkers, in April 1967. In February 1968, Reid was signed up by manager/producer Mickie Most, so Grant's dealings with Reid and his father must have been before this date. Grant's comments on his father can be found on page 55 of Welch's biography. I've dug up an old copy of a Jimmy Page interview in Mojo magazine:

    "We'd done a gig at Albert Hall - a great bill: us [The Yardbirds], the Stones, the Ike & Tina Tuner Revue, and this band Peter Jay and The Jaywalkers, which had Terry Reid in it. I remembered him as a really good singer, so I told Peter [Grant], that I wanted to start a group with Terry Reid, so could he get the office to find him. I had all these ideas and I wanted to get it right. So I'm back in England after the end of this Yardbirds tour, and Peter said 'Well I've located Terry, but he's just signed a solo deal.' I said 'Who with?' He said 'Mickie Most!' Now you know their two desks faced each other, right?!"

    Looking up the date in Alan Clayson's Yardbirds chronology, that Albert Hall concert was on Friday 23rd September 1966. The Jaywalkers were third on the bill.

    Reid said after his meeting with Grant and Page at the RAK office in 1968:

    "Jimmy asked me to be the singer in Led Zeppelin but I'd just done a deal to support the Stones on their first US tour in three years.”

    Looking up the date in Roy Carr's Stones chronology, this was the Rolling Stones tour was set to commence on July 7, 1969 at State University, Fort Collins CO. So the contracts for that must have been signed well in advance by Reid and Most.

    Robert Plant in an interview with Uncut magazine on Terry Reid:

    "We were good friends because we seemed to be on the same circuit...we always seemed to be playing on the same bill together. He was one of those stellar vocalists along with Steve Winwood, Jess Roden and Steve Marriott, and he got the offer from his connection with Mickie Most, who shared an office with Peter Grant...so Terry said to Peter and Jimmy, "No I've go this thing going. But you should see my mate. Go and have a look at 'the Wild Man From The Black Country.'"

    According to Terry Reid in an interview with Peter Doggett for Record Collector 1992:

    "I was doing a gig. I think it was in Buxton with the Band of Joy. I'd seen them before, and I knew Robert Plant and John Bonham. And this time, as I watched them, I thought: 'That's it!' I could hear the whole thing in my head. So the next day I phoned up Jimmy. He said, 'What does this singer look like?' I said, 'What do you mean, what does he look like? He looks like a Greek god, but what does that matter? I'm talking about how he sings. And his drummer is phenomenal. Check it out!' “

    That Reid gig (it was Hobbstweedle not BoJ) according to Melody Maker was on Saturday 13th July 1968. So the discussion to see Plant on the 20th, was made on the 14th July. Which means Page must have asked Reid sometime in the week between the 8th and 13th to join his band.

    Side trivia: Noddy Holder who would eventually find fame with Slade was Hobbstweedle's roadie.

    Thanks for posting this--I was there ^^ and it was a great night! Long John Baldry was also on the bill, but always seems to get overlooked--possibly he didn't perform on the rest of the tour or something.

  8. Well who can guess as to the dynamic of their relationship? I am sure that with some business decisions, things are handled by management, which is not uncommon. One of the most important functions of an agent/manager is to insulate their client from potentially stressful or embarrassing situations. They now have different representation which apparently made the O2 negotiations more complex.

    However, I do remember in a recent (last 10 years) interview, Jimmy was asked if he and Robert still talk, and Jimmy's response was something like;

    "The other day I was getting the family ready to go out for the day and the phone rang. It was Robert on for a chat and I said 'Christ, Robert I've got everybody in the car, can't talk now'." He went on to say they talk fairly regularly.

    I have noticed recently that there is a phenomenon where people think that having an 'entourage' is a desirable thing. Having 'people' to do things for you had become the goal, and not a product of success. But it's a drag, it's not a healthy way to be.

    RP and JP are good mates, they both did their best work with each other, and have known each other for decades through all sorts of trials and good times. I very much doubt they would insulate themselves from each other in that way.

    Actually, not that it matters that much as the point is the same, but the interview was with Robert, from Blender, 2002.

    Q. How did your last telephone call with Jimmy Page go?

    A. What an excellent question. It was December 21, 2001. I said, "Hey, Jim, how's it going?" He said, "Oh, Christ, I can't talk now; everybody's in the car waiting to go." That was it. Word for word. I've seen him since, but that was the last telephone call I had with him.

    [sorry to be such an anorak! I imagine things have changed since 2001, anyway.]

  9. When I had the honor of speaking with Jonesy back in 2003, and of all things we were talking about our kids, I mentioned my daughter was a really big fan of the Wallace and Grommit series. Jonesy said his daughter was involved with those. I do not know in what aspect though.... time to go check out some credits....

    My admiration for the Jones family just went through the roof . . . :o

  10. I saw Indiana Jones while in the UK (first movie I'd actually seen in a cinema for about a year), and although I didn't think it was as good as the previous ones in the series, the fact that Harrison Ford was 65 and still kicking major ass gave me the warm fuzzies. :)

  11. Excerpt from newspaper interview

    SYRACUSE (NY) POST-STANDARD, April 22, 1978

    By JOHN WISNIEWSKI

    "Led Zeppelin only came about because of the Jeff Beck

    Group . . . I believe that if the Jeff Beck

    Group (Beck, Stewart and Ron Wood) had

    stayed together. Led Zeppelin would have

    had a lot of competition . . . I remember

    it was in Miami and Jimmy Page (Zeppelin

    guitarist) came over and watched

    every number we played for six or seven

    gigs, went back to London and formed exactly

    the same lineup we had — a singer, a

    bass player and a drummer."

    "Jeff "Beck," Stewart offered, -is a better

    guitar player than Jimmy Page — 10

    times better."

    Them and a zillion other bands.

    However, I can't get excited about Rod Stewart's opinions from 1978.

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