I didn't know ledzepfilm was referring to this footage The same here. I don't think this footage can be classified as proshot.

I don't know how that footage counts as being professionally shot. More like a good audience recording.

These photos have been identified as the 23rd. It was filmed. Does it circulate? By the way, what date is this from? Image credit: Roger Berlin.

I absolutely agree that they didn't shoot the entire concert. Nobody would waste 2 hours worth of 35mm film stock just for testing.

Most of that footage was shot from the right side of the stage. There was another cameraman positioned near the left side, shooting from below.

You're right, there were at least two cameramen on stage simultaneously filming the event. I hope they captured a sizable chunk.

Are you talking about this photo? I also think there's a cameraman near the left side of the stage.

I'm using Mick Wall's When Giants Walked the Earth as a reference. There is a direct quote from Bannister who claims that 109K tickets were sold for the first show and 40K for the second show.

Bannister claimed that only 40K people attended the second concert. That's exactly how many tickets were sold, at least. My question to you: if only up to 150K tickets were sold for two shows in total, how were additional 250K people able to attend (Grant claimed that up to 400K people attended both shows) the concerts? What we know for sure is that there were gatecrashers, but do you think that 250K people were able to sneak into the area?

So you keep referring to the nonexistent language barrier... Okay, I think we should put an end to this pointless discussion.

What's so personal in saying that "I exclude that you've accurately measured the number of spectators of a concert you attended 35 years ago?" I wish you would just leave this topic to me and Steve.

Where did this additional 250K come from? Bannister only sold 109K + 40K = 150K tickets. Are you trying to say that 250K people were able to breach into the venue/area?

How about not taking things too personally, especially online? "Excluded" referred to the number of spectators.

Bannister was reluctant to add the second show, since he was afraid that it would be a financial fiasco. It was Grant who coaxed him into adding the second show because it would justify Led Zeppelin's $1 million remuneration.

Let's assume for a second that Grant's numbers that festival was attended by 405K people are correct. In this case, the festival would have grossed 405K * 7.5 pounds = 3037500 pounds. If these numbers were true, the festival could not have been a financial loss for Bannister. "The financial loss suffered by Bannister led to the liquidation of the Bannister's company, as they had had to shell out substantial fees to both Zeppelin and the company who were providing the sound and lighting."

What we know for sure is that under 110K tickets were printed for the first show, and Steve, I hope you understand that no gatecrasher can double the audience. "Mr Pruette further stated that even with an estimate of 4,000 persons per acre, only 24 acres were densely occupied and 8 acres were lightly occupied , this gave a total of 109,000 people which was the number Freddie Bannister had given to Grant."

Yes, it is my conjecture, but I think it's more accurate than your infeasbile 250K.

Quoting Freddy Bannister: "What rot! Even if it were true, how on earth we have fit a quarter of a million people into thirty-odd acres? They would have to have been standing on top of each other."

What the heck did I just read... I come up with specific information, such as the exact measure of the area where the festival was held, but you don't want to take that in(quoting: "but it is reckoned there were 250,000 there the first weekend and it certainly looked that way to me - never seen so many folk as far as the eye could see."). Terrible rebuttal, by the way. Could you be more specific? I'm pretty sure that none of my responses were rude, to my understanding at least. Unless you actually counted the number of people in attendance, your memories of the concert have nothing to do with what we're discussing,

You made me laugh even more. No one from NASA has actually looked at any photo of Knebworth Festival. It's just something that Grant concocted as a pretext to cajole Bannister into adding the second show. G surely knew how to make money.

Knebby, it's very good that you attended the show, but I don't think you could've accurately measured the number of people by just being in the crowd. We know the exact acreage of the area, and anyone who's into that type of things will confirm that 37 acres cannot hold more than 150K people.

Excluded. The area of the Knebworth site was 36.4 acres, which could only hold up to 145K people.

By the way, how may tickets were sold for Knebworth in 1979? Mick Wall estimates the attendance at 104K for the first show and 40K for the second show. A quote from When Giants Waled the Earth: "'Then afterwards he [Grant] just sat outside the house in this big black car with tinted windows. It was very upsetting.' (Freddy Bannister speaking) Accompanied by 'a rather seedy-looking Englishman introduced to me as a former Metropolitan Police superintendent,' the pair claimed to have aerial photographs of the first show that had been analysed by NASA scientists, 'proving that there were a quarter of a million people there.'" I laughed a lot when I read this.

Thanks. I also believe that the title is a reference to Eddie Kramer, not Van Halen or a friend of Millard's.

http://www.deangoodman.com/jimmy-page/ "We had Madison Square Garden numbers that didn’t make the film, and then the rest of the sources were video sources that were just relative to what was going on on the screens, on the gigs." The concerts Jimmy is talking about can be: Atlanta 1973, Earls Court 23-24-25, Seattle, AND Pontiac. I seriously wonder whether he has the Pontiac footage.