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18 minutes ago, Mr.Bones said:
It also comes down to basic respect which is sorely in desperate need in this day and age. Someone says "please stop playing my songs, " you stop playing their songs, plain and simple. Only a trashy person would continue to play a song after the artist requests them to stop.
While I may tend to agree with this, if the only teeth to the request is just asking, that may not be enough in our lawyer driven society.
Plus there is something about what comes with being a public figure too, the good and the bad. Otherwise artists should not sell their publishing rights and keep 100% control. But most won't do that we know.
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11 minutes ago, Mr.Bones said:
Jesus Christ, that's it.....................................
Do I need to point out that you are playing an equal part to the very thing you are complaining about.
PM function still works too.
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58 minutes ago, redrum said:
The Out of Towners
One of my favorites.
Hysterically funny. Both Jack Lemon and Sandy Denny comedy masters.
And then the remake with Steve Martin and Goldie Hawn--- a total snoozefest disaster. Proving sometimes you just leave a thing alone, you can't always top--- or come close to an original concept. Too many moving parts in a film like the original Out of Towners that can no longer really be duplicated.
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is that Moon sitting in...
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A question about licensing and publishing fees for song played at venues or events without the artist's approval was raised in the RIP thread, So I thought to maybe discuss it here.
This is NOT to make a political debate, it is about music/publishing and how much control an artist retains over their music after the sell the publishing rights.
At a recent event(s) some music was played which the artists who created the songs objected to. Strider was kind enough to post this link about the subject, but I have other questions:
So my take from reading the above article is that there isn't any succinct legal cases which seem to have nailed this down as a certain yes, the artist can stop it, or no they can't--- other than to suggest that if the song content itself is of a nature in which an "artist could assert a right of publicity in their image, confusion or dilution of their name under the Lanham Act, and false endorsement". Therefore they have to prove they are being damaged--- other than possibly not receiving monetization through their publisher.
Seems to me that just because they don't like it, may not be enough. And furthermore, even as they may protest, in most cases the exposure of the song is still in their best interests--- or at least maybe their publisher. One way would be the monitization of their music when it is appears in so many youtube news type clips where the song can be heard in the background. Therefore any of the monitzation going to that youtube account for traffic could be nabbed by the publisher, or if it can't be, they could have the audio for the clip muted. I see plenty of youtube clips which had Led Zeppelin songs in them---including covers, muted because somebody didn't pay the publishing fees.
Led Zeppelin seems to have kept more control of their music rights than other bands. And some like the Who I feel are happy to have their stuff played everywhere al the time.
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17 minutes ago, Strider said:
Thanks! Will respond in the "Untitled" thread so as not to cause a "RIP" here.
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On 4/13/2020 at 12:16 AM, redrum said:
I believe that China sent agents all around the world spreading this fucking virus (and with help from Al Qaeda)...
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On 9/18/2020 at 1:13 AM, redrum said:
Haven't heard that in years. And how do they 'dance' these days? They push their fuckin' hands up in the air.
Shirley Ellis was the best!
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14 hours ago, redrum said:
Beelzebub making profits off the....
posters he was selling at...
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1 hour ago, Strider said:
Because he's a thief. Elton John, Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen, Tom Perry's family have all said they did not give Trump permission to use their songs at his rallies and asked him to stop.
But how does it work with playing music at a rally or event like that? Whoever the publishing company is that owns the music rights, as long as they are getting paid the fee for it playing at a event, isn't that all that is required?
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1 hour ago, Strider said:
My dad was in San Francisco on business while they were filming this movie and got to see quite a bit of filming at the hotel and the chase scenes. He made sure to take us to see the movie opening night.
My favourite Barbra Streisand movie...she never looked better than in this movie. "What's Up, Doc?" is also the rare modern reboot of a classic (1938's "Bringing Up Baby") that holds its own and is just as good. I watch it at least once or twice every year.
Loved the location shots of the Hilton hotel in SF. Would have been cool to have been your pop to see the filming.
Like I said, I had forgotten about this film, and being older and understanding the craft more than when I was a kid, I really appreciate the screenplay, the direction, and Streisand's wonderful performance. As well as so many of the various actors in the film--- like the Judge in the courtroom and Eunice (Madeline Khan). Comedy is so much more difficult to do than any other genres. Timing has to be perfect, and without great writers you have nothing to work off of in the first place no matter how good the actors are. I love screwball comedies. My favorite of all time is The Out of Towners (1970) with Jack Lemon and Sandy Denny. Either that or The More The Merrier (1943) with Jean Arthur and Joel Mcrea.
Yeah, Babs is kind of cute in this film. That sexy Bugs Bunny "gal" that Garth fantasized about in Wayne's World probably was on his mind. LOL. The jokes are really good and they come quickly like a machine gun. And the comedy action as precise as a Buster Keaton bit. No wonder the film came in 3rd in revenue for 1972 behind The Godfather and the Poseiden Adventure .
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7 hours ago, RainbowElf said:
I think they could’ve continued The Godfather story, but not the corny story they used, they could’ve made Al Neri the boss if Michael Corleone wanted to retired, they were basically using Connie as the underboss lol.
I heard the only reason this movie was made was to compete against Goodfellas which came out around the same time, Goodfellas blew The Godfather III away.
Of course Goodfellas blew it away. Because Goodfellas is honest story telling and movie making. It respected the story of the NYC mob of that era in the '70s enough to tell it correctly.
The story of Micheal (and the juxtaposition presented of his father Vito ways of doing things) was a complete story by the end of Godfather II. There really was nothing more in my opinion to tell of that story. By the end of GFII the prediction of Don Corleone's in GFI of how the drug business would be too difficult to control as a business, and would strain the balance the NYC mob (5 families) and the "powers" of government, politics, and law enforcement that the 5 families had been able to achieve and effectively control in the decades after the "Castellammarese War of 1930" was proven to be an accurate prediction by Vito Corelone. Any hope of becoming legitimate to a degree where Micheal could become a Governor, or a Senator---- was just too heavy a lift really, despite Don Vito's desires for his son and the family. Because eventually everyone will end up eating their own---same as happened in Sicily before Vito came to America. The son's challenges would prove to be a far more difficult goal than what the father's success had been during a more violent and brutal time in the early 20th century.
The reason the first two Godfathers were so compelling, is because the story is one framed in many historical accuracies--- and as an audience we could touch and feel the story having it as one which was so close to how those things really were in NYC at that time. We are therefore carried along with something we know is or could be real. Even as outsiders to the life, we know it existed. So, we not only believe the characters, we can empathize with many of them. It was a brutal life, but one which many did not originally choose; it was what it was to be in that life, but it was the traditions and the rules which made it work.
GFIII however becomes a ridiculous fantasy fiction on the level of some really bad film like 'National Treasure'. Goofy, unbelievable, lacking all of the entertainment value which even the worst of the James Bond or Star Wars franchise installments could deliver. And proof that when Hollywood studios eventually throw enough money at a director, some will eventually cave in and be willing to paint their next Picasso with a box of crayons on the back of piece of cardboard and then either happily or reluctantly go ahead and cash the check. I hate the fact that Coppola caved under pressure to do this film, I hate that Pacino signed on--- it was a huge mistake. Hollywood is too into creating franchise stories, and we know what franchises get us--- McDonalds, Panda Express, and Taco Bell. The mob stories which were told beyond and separate from the ending of GFII which worked are Goodfellas, Casino, and Donnie Brasco among others. None are franchise stories.
But I still believe a Godfather prequel could be done. One which fills the gap in the story from after Don Corleone's emergence as one of the heads of the 5 families and after his sons are born, to the point before Micheal gets out of the Marines and Connie's wedding. But it would take a strong team of writers and a director willing to tread so carefully and effectively within the framework of the original Godfather novel, and the first two films. A director who would not be bullied by the studio to insert some stupid crap into it. It would not be big flash and bang, car chase and explosion CGI filled made for the Chinese (China) audience cluster fuck like most of Hollywood's current crap-factory shit.
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arguing with Peter Grant about...
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All this talk about SF, car chases, and location shots.... I remembered I had this in my cloud DVR recorded off of TCM:
"What's Up Doc?" (1972)
What a treat this was! Hadn't seen this since I was a teenager when it came out.
Very, very, funny--- well written and directed. There is a line near the end where the phrase, "Love is never having to say you're sorry" that they made fun of and I laughed out loud. The joke being it was a line from "Love Story" (1970) which Ryan O'Neal starred in along side Ally MacGraw. I'm sure I didn't get the joke 48 years ago when I first saw this.
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8 hours ago, redrum said:
Weld in another fave of mine with McQueen: 'Soldier In The Rain.' One of the best bar room brawls ever with Gleason kicking some MP ass.
Haven't seen that film, have to check it out.
Right now I'm on a Tuesday Weld kick. Something about her.
I got a kick over the lyric in Donald Fagan's song "New Frontier" from his "The Nightfly" album where in the song it says:
Introduce me to that big blonde
She's got a touch of Tuesday Weld
She's wearing Ambush and a French twist
She's got us wild and she can tell
She loves to limbo, that much is clear
She's got the right dynamic for the new frontierTuesday Weld, Mijanou Bardot, and Mamie Van Doren in "Sex Kittens Go To College" (1960)
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7 hours ago, redrum said:
Could have. I'd really like to know how he ended up there and got a job in a rock quarry. He said they told him he wouldn't last and he worked there for 4 years. haha. He went to SF to work as a welder after WW2 started. My Mother followed him with 8 kids on a train and they stayed there.
Wow, 8 kids! One more and you have a baseball team.
I never learned to weld very well. In high school metal shop the instructor called me "Slaggy".
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2 hours ago, apantherfrommd said:
I just heard this. I saw so many people commenting on this all over the country.
Very well said.
So I wonder why Elton's John's "Tiny Dancer" is playing?
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6 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
Not a fan of RBG but I'm not celebrating her death, I'm merely enthusiastic about the future of the SCOTUS.
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5 hours ago, Strider said:
Well, yeah, but the difference is that "Bullitt" wasn't trying to sell San Francisco as another location. "Bullitt" was very clear about it taking place in San Francisco and using real San Francisco locations.
What kipper was explaining was the common feeling all Los Angeles natives have when we see Hollywood passing Los Angeles and its locations off as other cities and countries.
For many years I kept a list of every time I noticed a Los Angeles location being used for somewhere else in a movie. I'll have to try and dig it up. As kipper has posted above, The Bradbury Building was a favourite for many filmmakers. Big Bear Lake and Lake Arrowhead and the Malibu and Santa Monica Canyons were also popular stand-ins for other places.
My biggest complaint about Bullitt is actually elements of the car chase---which was the best part of the film. During the chase they used too many of the same cars in the traffic shots over, and over, and over again. Even before I was keen at watching films for continuity errors in production, the shots of the same green VW and the white Pontiac seemingly showing up at every street, cross street, and heading in every direction near the Mustang and the Charger-- was obvious even then. I'm sure that in the edit bay they were going, "shit, wish we had some more footage so we don't have to keep using those shots of the same cars!"
The Bradbury Building: Usually a field trip destination for elementary school students back in the day. Along with Grand Central Terminal near Olivera Street. The art deco train terminal is featured in many Hollywood films.
Yes, Big Bear and Lake Arrowhead often depicted as some European mountain area. And of course the epic background of Vasquez Rocks in the canyon pass between the San Fernando Valley and Antelope Valley. Too many films to mention for that location, including Star Trek too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_productions_using_the_Vasquez_Rocks_as_a_filming_location
Star Trek
Blazing Saddles
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2 hours ago, RainbowElf said:
The Godfather movies this weekend, except maybe not the third part as it sucks and I can’t stand to see Francis daughter as Michael Corleon’s daughter as she can’t act for shit.
There are only TWO Godfather films. That 3rd thing Coppola signed off on was travesty. One thing both Michael Corleone or his father would have NEVER done would be to seek the advice and council of women. In GFIII Michael shares way too much information with his wife Kate and his sister Connie, a total departure from his character.
At the end of Godfather II as an aged Michael was sitting alone at his compound in Tahoe reflecting on where his life had ended up and remembering all the people he had both loved and "dealt with" in his family, and why he was so reviled in the end while his father loved? That was the END of the story, it didn't need a part 3.
I have always thought an interesting film would be a prequel story covering the early lives of the three brothers (Santino, Fredo, and Michael). Some very interesting back stories there.
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7 hours ago, the chase said:
Rest In Peace Lee Kerslake, Fabulous Drummer of Uriah Heep, Blizzard Of Oz / Ozzy Osbourne
Lee passed after a lengthy battle with cancer. He was 73.
SHIT!
RIP Lee!
The Rest in Peace Thread
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Posted · Edited by kipper
All I am saying is that when "the hammer comes down" it may just end up with a popular thread locked or deleted.
Everybody can see the types of exchanges that go on, including the moderators. You aren't pointing out what is already on record. Usually when a thread ends up locked it isn't due to the first offending posts which cause that, it happens due to a backlash of other posts by others. Sort of, "if you can't kids can't play nice then time to come inside and go to bed". My advice would be that returning with personal attacks (calling someone moronic) is actually escalating-- not escalating.
Sometimes using sarcastic humor is the better way to note disapproval to a thing. And that for the rest of us is way more entertaining too.
Meanwhile, I think we should just leave the rest of this alone.
Respectfully,
Kip