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6 hours ago, Strider said:
"Physical Graffiti" was originally scheduled to be released in November 1974, with the tour starting January 1975.
Problems with getting the album cover and the die-cut sleeve correct delayed the album's release until February.
Why not reschedule the tour until after February, you ask? I have already explained at length on other threads why rescheduling the 1975 tour would have been a nightmare. One look at that 1975 tour schedule should give you an idea at the logistical logjam they faced just getting the tour scheduled as it was.
Look at the way the Northeast dates are all scattered. The Madison Square Garden and Nassau dates are spread out instead of concurrent. Same with the L.A. dates. They hit Long Beach for two shows then disappear to the Pacific Northwest before coming back to the Forum at the end of the month.
As I have said before, Jethro Tull was on a major tour in the winter of 1975 as well...they played five nights at the L.A. Forum. Pink Floyd, the Rolling Stones, Elton John, Yes, ZZ Top, Rod Stewart & the Faces, Alice Cooper, Aerosmith, and more had albums and major tours scheduled for 1975. All of these bands were arena-level sized...they needed the Forum, Long Beach Arena, Madison Square Garden, Nassau Coliseum, Landover Capitol Center, the Philadelphia Spectrum, Chicago Stadium, Boston Garden, Minnesota Met Center, Indianapolis Market Square Arena, and so on for venues to play. Like Led Zeppelin, the big draws...Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Elton John...all needed multiple dates in major cities to handle the demand for tickets.
Also remember that many of these venues had basketball and hockey teams to schedule during the winter and spring months. With playoffs, hockey and basketball seasons extended into May. Don't forget, it wasn't just the NBA...the ABA was still around at this time, too.
But just because the basketball and hockey seasons end doesn't mean you get a clear slate. An arena doesn't go dark once their sports teams stop playing. For an arena to survive it has to book events year-round. Political conventions, religious conventions, commercial conventions, roman orgies, indoor track-and-field events, gymnastics, figure skating competitions, every dog and pony show of every stripe and colour.
Now, Pink Floyd already had their 1975 Spring-Summer tour dates locked up. The Rolling Stones had their 1975 Summer dates set. If Led Zeppelin had tried to reschedule their tour it would have been a nightmare and the itinerary would have been a logistical mess, with little chance for the band to achieve momentum.
Their only choice would have been to postpone the tour until later in the year...the fall of 1975. But then, the momentum of having a new album would be gone and they still would have been up against basketball and hockey, as their seasons begin in the fall.
As for touring before the album was released, Led Zeppelin was doing that since 1970. The 1970 Summer tour started in August while Led Zeppelin Iii, originally scheduled for a July release, didn't come out until October.
1971...same thing. Tour starts in August. Album delayed until November.
1972. They started playing Houses of the Holy songs nearly a year before the album was released.
This one we will have to disagree on as #1 priority is to look after the health of the band. It does not matter how difficult it is to reschedule a tour, if your guitar player breaks a finger, you reschedule the tour. If your singer cannot sing, you reschedule the tour. That is unless you want to ruin your singers already ruined voice and possibly permanently damage your guitarists fretting hand.
Pardon me if I am wrong but with the exception of LZ I cannot think of another band or even performer who ever played a tour under such conditions. The long term potential damage for what is in affect a business is just too profound a risk IMO.
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Happy Birthday Robert!
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RnR should have been dropped after the 73' tour for a different opening number. Thinking Custard Pie or Wanton Song for 75' but then re-shuffle the set list and either remove SA completely or place it deeper in the set. Put either Celebration Day or OTHAFA for song #2 in 75'.
Pro Tip: Don't start a major tour with your guitarist hamstringed with a broken ring finger.
Pro Tip #2: When your singer loses his voice due to the flu, postpone the tour, or, see pro tip #1.
I find it very, very hard to believe their tour contract from 75' or any year would not have contained a caveat should a band member be injured or sick and the tour need to be postponed. Plus, why start a tour before your new album is released? Some of these management decisions make no sense to me.
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3 hours ago, redrum said:
Hopefully, Antifa hasn't attacked the postal truck.
- Aug 16, 2020
- 8:49pm
- AVAILABLE FOR DELIVERY
- Seattle, WA 98168
Yep, the post office is really screwed up these days...I wonder why? Hmmm, maybe you should contact the people in charge (Mr. DeJoy) and ask him to replace the 700+ sorting machines he took out of service, ask him to re-instate overtime, ask him to allow the delivery people to deliver the mail as it had been done for almost 250 years.
But I am sure this is all an oversight on Mr. DeJoy's part and that his ownership in XPO Logistics and interests in FedEx have absolutely nothing to do with his current "re-organization." Nope, just an honest several dozen mistakes. Happens all the time.
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Two things, first I placed that sociopath Cryingbluerain on permanent ignore; and second, my long awaited time off from work starts tomorrow.
Finally, peace of mind on two fronts!
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12 hours ago, JTM said:
Yeah, Lycra louts as I call them, they are the worst, heads down, I'm coming fuck everyone else, usually doing 30mph plus. I don't mind the sedate riders who ride safely and considerately. But those louts I wish them ill, have no sympathy when they have an accident "Serves you right prick".
But wait, things are about to get worse. Have you seen the new E-Bikes? I live in a mountain town where biking is everywhere but now we have the damned E-Bikes which are bikes with electric motors and allow the bike to move up to 35 mph on level ground. Problem is, the majority of the people driving these are jackasses. Had one weaving in and out of the bike lane, into the regular lane, back and forth, no one would pass him as they were afraid of hitting him. So we get up to a light (I said screw it, I passed him) and here comes Mr. Jackass between the cars and just blows through the red light almost hitting a pedestrian in the crosswalk and almost getting nailed by a car.
I guess there are a lot of people with death wishes out there.
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4 hours ago, 76229 said:
Can't they get him declared a vexatious litigant or something?! Or does US law not work like that?
California law does indeed allow for a dismissal based on vexatious litigation, however not sure if that would apply if petitioning the SCOTUS.
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11 hours ago, cryingbluerain said:
Not murder, self defense if the guy who shot him felt threatened like he said.
What does make me sad though is the AK guy's obvious immaturity and stupidity was taken advantage of by the violent extremist organizations he was supporting and it ultimately got him killed.
You are insane and your justification for downright murder is proof of that. I feel sorry for anyone within your sick orbit.
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8 minutes ago, the chase said:
Alright back on topic.....I find it more amusing than annoying, but here goes... People who use the phrase "AT THE END OF THE DAY" every 3 minutes..
One guy recently at work said "AT THE END OF THE DAY" 4 times in a meeting in about 15 minutes... He's known for it ... so I kept count.. 😎 Nice enough guy, but come on...
Well, at the end of the day it all...
Just kidding. Reminds me of that guy in Goodfellas, Jimmy Two Times
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30 minutes ago, SteveAJones said:
Payroll taxes are levied to support those programs. In other words, they are EARNED entitlements, not grants.
Exactly, thus they should not be taken away. I have paid into this system for the past 38 years and I will be damned if I do not get what I have been paying for because some jackasses decide to defund those programs in an effort to make them insolvent.
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38 minutes ago, hummingbird69 said:
I'm not going to argue with you about politics and policies, this thread is about being rubbed the wrong way and man you know how to rub
Says pot to kettle
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2 hours ago, hummingbird69 said:
People so stupid they think that not allowing people to keep more of their own money during a time of need is a bad thing.
Great, then people such as you need to sign a legal document abdicating all claims to future social security or Medicare benefits. If you gonna talk the talk, lets see you walk the walk.
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On 8/8/2020 at 4:05 AM, Brigante said:
The most glorious creature that ever lived. Hey, someone had to be - it just happened to be her! Eh? What do you mean 'subjective'?!
Eva Green???
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1 hour ago, JTM said:
You did, yes. I am though shocked that Patti Smith would cite Suzi Quatro as an influence, "Can the Can", c'mon now...
It's the context, not the substance I am referring to. Smith and other women rockers cite Quatro as in influence not so much for her artistic achievements (or lack thereof), but because of what she did as a whole. No other woman ever did what Quatro did up until that time (attitude, hard pop, played instrument). She showed women that a woman in rock need not be meek and demure, have a smooth voice, or acquiesce to the whims of her male counterparts within the band.
Both Grace Slick & Janis Joplin were true pioneers however Slick did not lead the Airplane and Joplin left BB to have a group formed around her by the record company but they listened to the producer, not Joplin. Quatro was one of the first woman to say, "my way or the highway" and actually get her way. The only other exception was Jinx Dawson from Coven but most were more scared of her than influenced by her which is a shame.
So they reference her kinda in a glass ceiling kind of way.
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People who talk shit to you and when you get upset respond with, "I was only joking." Um, no you were not and saying you were after the fact makes it doubly insulting.
People so stupid they think either deferring or eliminating the payroll tax is a good thing (I guess it is if you don't want social security and Medicare at some point).
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Early Days: Copenhagen 1971, great show, great unique setlist, Plant is otherworldly.
Mid-Period: Providence 1973 or EC May 23rd 1975
Late Period: 6-10-77 NY, 6-23-77 LA, or 7-24-79 Copenhagen.
No way I could pick just one
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15 hours ago, RainbowElf said:
Leather Tuscadero
Hubba hubba....
Even sexier was Roz Kelly, the woman who played Pinky Tuscadero. Unfortunately Roz is actually nuttier than squirrel shit, she is still alive but has a nasty penchant for trying to kill her neighbors with a shotgun.
Just saw the Paul Lynde Halloween Special (Amazon Prime) from 1976 which had Margaret Hamilton (wicket witch of the west) as co-host. Talk about cheese factor: Donnie & Marie, Kiss miming three performances (badly, including Beth). Its funny, I remember watching that live when I was a kid and thinking how cool it all was. Still like everyone on the show (except Kiss) but it is dated.
I do wonder how history will view the Stones & Zeppelin as well as other bands 100 years from now.
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7 hours ago, JTM said:
Nah sorry, don't agree, a blip in the early seventies who had a few hit singles. Nothing more than a novelty pop music act. Comparing Quatro to Patti Smith is like comparing a scribbled shopping list to Shakespeare.
I was not trying to compare one to the other, I was only pointing out Quatro was the first, not the best but the first and indeed Smith and all the other women I mentioned themselves listed Quatro as a main influence.
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On 8/6/2020 at 11:36 PM, Christopher Lees said:
I don't think this is an improvement, to be frank. I think The Rain Song belongs after TSRTS and that's how Jimmy first had them paired when TSRTS was still an instrumental. Boogie with Stu is not good after the Crunge and has a totally different vibe than the rest of the album. Bron-Yr-Aur isn't a bad choice in terms of mood, but I find it unnecessary and does not improve the album. Sometimes less is more.
The thing about the HOTH album is that it's the first Zeppelin album to not feature blues based riff tunes and reworked blues numbers from the past (Okay, I guess The Ocean's main riff is kinda blues based pentatonic). There's nothing on the first four albums that sounds similar to TSRTS. We can't say that about the other four albums. For example, we could say that Heartbreaker, Black Dog and Good Times Bad Times are all kind of in the same "family", as it were. Same with the 12 bar type tunes like Rock n Roll, You Shook Me, Bring it On Home and so on. We could lump rockers like Misty Mountain Hop with Out On The Tiles and very bluesy tunes like Dazed and Since I've Been Loving your and I Can't Quit You together. But TSRTS has no precedent. It's a progressive piece of guitar driven music that was very cutting edge for the time. It has somewhat of an upbeat feel to it, sort of a happy tune, and a feel all its own.
Much the same can be said of the Rain Song. There is nothing else similar to it on the first four albums. The chord progression is harmonically rich and sophisticated. It's much more than just another "strummer." The Crunge is unlike anything else they did and so is D'yer Maker (love it or hate it!). Dancing Days has that familiar Zeppeliny feel to it and it might have sat well on the fourth album, but to me, it's much to bright and cheery for the fourth album. The fourth album has a sort of autumn or even wintery feel to it in my mind. Houses of the Holy has a nice late spring early summer feel to it. I think Dancing Days is unlike most of the earlier Zeppelin material simply because of the fact that it is so summery and happy.
Therefore, I don't think putting songs like 12 bar strummers "Boogie with Stu" would be a good mix for the feel of the album.
"Houses of the Holy" seems like a good fit though, although I don't think it would improve the album. Some might argue that HOTH (the song) is better than D'yer Maker, and I think most Zeppelin fans would agree, but the world knows D'yer Maker (not just the Zeppelin fans) but they don't know HOTH. D'yer Maker is Zeppelin showing the world that they don't take themselves too seriously and that they can have a bit of fun. I think this adds another layer of light to the album and makes it a good choice despite fan criticism.
I happen to think No Quarter adds just the right amount of darkness to provide that light and shade contrast that Zeppelin found so important. It serves its purpose. It too, by the way, is unprecedented in Zeppelin's music, even the guitar solo is unlike any previous Page solo.
Over the Hills is similar to Bring it on Home and What is and What should Never be in the exaggerated use of dynamics. It's very quiet to start and very loud all of a sudden. I could see OTHAFA sitting comfortably on the fourth album or even the third so it's not as uniquely progressive (for zeppelin) as the other songs on this album, but it's a good fit none the less. It reminded the listener that yes, there is still quintessential Zep to be found on this album, the kind of Zep that we have all come to know and love through the first four albums. The Ocean is another along these lines. It's a bluesy riff based, blues rock solo type tune. It could have fit well on the third or even the second album - but again, it's got that very bright, happy, uplifting, summer kind of vibe that makes it a good fit for Houses.Another great post and your "feel" with the Fourth album being more autumn / winter vs. HOTH summertime vibe. HOTH is just a really bright, sunny album with TSRTS, RS, & NQ having a progressive vibe. TSRTS has so many different guitar styles meshed together so seamlessly, it is a compositional miracle it even works much less smokes.
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On 8/6/2020 at 4:08 PM, Brigante said:
Nope. Not doing it. Fourth album is perfect as it is and can't be improved upon. There's very few records that you wouldn't change a single second of - but Led Zeppelin IV is one of them.
Well, it could have used more cowbell 😉
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13 hours ago, JTM said:
The Who did not attract Teeny Boppers. That expression came about in the early seventies, it was aimed at fans of T Rex, Slade, The Sweet, that slime ball paedophile Glitter, Suzi Quatro too maybe.
A shame as those were great bands / musicians. Suzi Quatro was the first woman rock star, the first to play an instrument competently and rock her ass off. No Suzi, no Patti Smith, Chrissy Hynde, Joan Jett, and most of the 90's lady musicians such as Tori Amos (genius) & Melissa Etheridge.
Suzi is, IMO, the most underrated rock musician period, just for her influence alone.
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On 8/4/2020 at 2:59 PM, kipper said:
I just read that Dave Greenfield of The Stranglers passed away last may of covid 19. Damn!
Not sure if this was already posted or not?
RIP
That dude looks like a young Clive Owen
Funky
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8 hours ago, SteveZ98 said:
I just got the warning message too. In Chrome, it happened before I got to the home page. In Safari, I was able to get to the home page but when I clicked on a link on it, I got a message similar to the one below that Chrome showed.
Google Safe Browsing recently detected phishing on royal-orleans.com. Phishing sites pretend to be other websites to trick you.
You can report a detection problem or, if you understand the risks to your security, visit this unsafe site.
Those dirty sonofabit...s!!!
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21 hours ago, Christopher Lees said:
For me, Zeppelin and the Stones can't be compared. I think the Stones are way overrated and I think you had to be there at the time to see the Stones as equal or better than Zep. I was born in 74 and there was still plenty of Stones being played on the radio as I was growing up, but to my ears it sounded, shall we say, "black and white" while Zeppelin sounded "in color", if you know what I mean. Zeppelin ushered in modernity itself in music, while the Stones were "last generation". It's like TV at the time. Shows from 64-67 were in black and white and today, they seem so old fashioned. They seem 100 years old. But the shows that came out in color in the early 70s, while just a few years newer (really they are in the same handful of years), seem so much more modern. A show like The Munsters seems so old while All in the Family just a few years later still seems modern in many respects. That's how Zeppelin comes across to me versus, say, the Beatles, Stones, Doors, Animals and the like. Yes, the Stones, Beatles, Doors - they seem to me like the first three Doctors on Doctor WHO, all of which were in black and white, while Zeppelin is the Fourth Doctor in color!
Did I mention Mick Jagger can't sing? Not in my book. He gets by as a rock and roller, but he can't sing. While I'm on it, please let me trash The WHO for a moment. They are another overrated bunch of noise makers. I think if you grew up with the Stones and The Who and you were into it in school before Zeppelin came along, then okay, you might still carry that nostalgia around with you today and no one can take that away from you, but I think they are two of the most overrated bands ever. Zeppelin comes out ahead of them all by a mile.Holy shit and BRAVO my good man, this is golden and right to the heart of it. And BTW, The Fourth Doctor was the Best Doctor, Tom Baker is the man!
HUZZZAH!!!!
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