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7 hours ago, JTM said:
I wasn't referring to Jim's pants, I was thinking about what I and my friends wore in the day. As for stage clothes (dragon suit, womens blouses etc) I'm not a fan, Levi's forever.
Have to agree with you on this, I preferred their stage look 68-72' era. The wizard suits and later dragon suits of 73'-77' Jimmy wore were not my thing and don't get me started on Robert's ridiculous blouses. Prince could pull that shit off because he was a very small man and it just worked for him. Robert was a goddamned giant at 6'1" insofar as musicians were concerned and singers especially so to me he looked silly. I liked what they wore during the last Oakland gig in 77' and a few other shows in 77'. The black blouse like shirt he wore during the NY dates looked good as it looked more like an untucked black dress shirt than a blouse. The clothes on the Euro 80' tour were ok as well.
I remember watching TSRTS for the first time and thought WTF was Robert wearing? He looks like a Poof! For me THAT blouse was the worst thing I ever saw him wear and of course that was the one caught on film. Meh, to each their own.
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2 hours ago, Strider said:
I didn't mention the drug problem because it was so obvious he had a drug problem that everyone already knows about it and it doesn't need to be rehashed over and over. It is what it is.
Besides, I have seen plenty of guitar players with drug problems still play coherently and with great tone...Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Mick Ronson, Mick Jones, Hillel Slovak, Dave Navarro, etc.
Of course Jimmy Page's problems with tone on the 1980 tour only signifies the beginning of an entire decade of inconsistent tone from Jimmy. And it points to the question on a whole lotta people's minds...If Bonham had not died, would Led Zeppelin have survived the 1980s and what would they have sounded like?
1980 was not 1970. Guitars and guitar effects, Stage gear and sound systems, and P.A.s, everything was more sophisticated and it was harder for bands to get away with being sloppy and out of tune on stage anymore.
This wasn't the days when tripping hippies would forgive an out-of-tune guitar because there was only one guy to tune everyone's guitar and he had to do it by ear in a hot and sweaty auditorium. Nobody expected the band to sound exactly like the record. The bands that came close enough were the bands that became popular on the road...Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Stones, Allman Brothers, Elton John, Jethro Tull, Yes, Sabbath, Purple.
By the 1980s, bands were getting more proficient and professional. Boston, Queen, Rush, The Eagles, AC/DC, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Tom Petty, Fleetwood Mac. These bands always sounded great live and could replicate in concert every guitar and keyboard tone that was on the record.
To watch Alex Lifeson nail every tone, texture, part in "Xanadu" or "La Villa Strangiato" in concert was amazing. After watching that, going to see Jimmy Page fumble his way with his anemic Fender B-bender was anticlimactic.
The Rolling Stones took the rest of the 1980s off after their horrible-sounding 1981 tour...I saw them blown off the stage by ZZ Top in Texas and JJ Geils and George Thoroughgood in L.A. By the time the Stones reconvened in 1989 they had got their shit together and sounded 2,000 light years better than they did in 1981.
I saw Pink Floyd, Tom Petty, ZZ Top, Eagles, Clash, Who, Queen, Fleetwood Mac, AC/DC, and Van Halen put on great shows in 1980. If Led Zeppelin had come to America with that weak 1980 Euro tour bullshit, Led Zeppelin's aura would have taken a mighty blow. It would have gotten particularly ugly during one of Jimmy's painful "White Summer" wankathons.
Considering Jimmy spent a good portion of the 1980s obsessed with that thin-sounding B-bender, I'm not so sure Led Zeppelin would have survived the 1980s on top if Bonham had lived. There's a good chance they would have suffered a dip in their popularity in the 1980s just as Kiss, Jethro Tull, Elton John and other kings of the 1970s did.
Damn Sean that was brutal! Maybe you saw some bad Firm shows or just hated the b-bender but the show I saw in Phoenix 85' he played very well indeed. I also liked that Jimmy had reinvented his style, evolved, and played very differently than his Zep days. I liked the b-bender and what he did with it on tunes like Dreaming and Satisfaction Guaranteed. Not many players would have the balls to reinvent their style after being in one of the biggest bands in the world. Even if you hate the b-bender you have to give Page credit for trying something new. After all, he used all of new style merged with the old for the 94'-2000' period and I for one think that period had Jimmy's finest playing on a consistent basis since 73'.
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51 minutes ago, SteveAJones said:
It was the '83 tour and over-accessorizing was considered fashionable at the time.
Robert Plant Photo: Detroit, Sep 3, 1983
Well what do you know, either way, it still looks ridiculous.
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8 hours ago, kipper said:
Donnie Brasco
Now THIS is a great mob movie. Donnie Brasco, Goodfellas, and Casino were the most accurate portrayals of mob life set to celluloid.
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On 6/5/2020 at 1:58 PM, Robert_Plntations said:
Does anyone know why Robert wore two belts on his 1983 tour wearing his ‘jumpsuits’?
That was the 85' tour, not the 83' tour. Robert dressed rather normal in 83'. By 85' and Shaken n' Stirred he had gone full 80's with those silly jumpsuits, belts and ballet shoes. That aside the 85' tour was fantastic, great shows, Robert sounded very good, and there was the "bonus" Honeydripper set where the band came out after a set break wearing greaser outfits (jeans and black leather jackets), with their hair slicked back in duck-tails. He also had backup singers in poodle skirts.
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49 minutes ago, Rodrigo said:
ARGH!!!! Get it away!!!! Its a goddamned succubus!!!
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Jesus that sounds good, Jonsey was getting funky! Whole band sounds in fine form.
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4 hours ago, Strider said:
"Four Sticks" could only realistically be played before 1972. No way Robert could handle it vocally after that. Similar reason why "Immigrant Song" was dropped.
"Celebration Day" was also played on the EDS 12-string in 1971, which gives it a cool vibe.
True, but they played both GP & FS during the 94' Unledded show and the 95' tour. I guess pride on Robert's part could have been a factor as you mentioned, he could not faithfully re-create these songs live until the 77' tour and by then they had newer tunes to play. By 94' I think Robert no longer cared if he could hit the notes, as long as the overall song would come over well. Who knows, too bad though as I thought the 95' versions were damn good.
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2 minutes ago, pluribus said:
Those are actually from the first set photos of him with the guitar. He kept it at relatively “normal” height through 1972. It really wasn’t until he got that skinny strap in mid-72 that the guitar dropped lower.
Man, I remember once lowering my strap to Jimmy 1977 level and I thought, how the hell can anyone not a gorilla play a guitar that low. When I play I keep it just a wee bit lower than where Jimmy has his in the pic above, and I mean a WEE bit lower. The neck PU is parallel with my waistline, any lower than that and I just can't play.
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1 hour ago, pluribus said:
Yep. The amp pictured here, on the ground to the right of Page, to be exact. A Supro 1690T Coronado with the 2x10 speakers replaced with a single 12 inch speaker:
Here's what the amp looks like in stock form: https://reverb.com/item/4664267-jimmy-page-1961-supro-coronado-tube-amp-2-6l6-2-x10-jensons-valco-made-tube-rectified-combo-amp#full
Notice how Page has his guitar hanging high in the studio vs. low when playing live.
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36 minutes ago, jsj said:
Having looked at my post I think I meant to type Selmer, not Supro, did he even use Supros? Anyway I think it was in a magazine special (classic rock, mojo or similar) on the 4th album. I’ll dig it out.
Yep, sure did, the Tele / Supro combo is all over the 1st album
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I really love these live versions of GP and again they mystery ensues as to why the only performed both FS & GP live only a handful of times. The stop-go cadence of GP with the electric gives the song a very different feel and vibe, same with FS. I could understand them dropping these songs from the set list if they could not pull them off live but they could, did, and did so more affectively then they did some show staples they played live for years.
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5 hours ago, Brigante said:
I would go to the cinema, but there's always other people in there, goddammit!
You got that right. I was brought up with ushers in the theatres and your parents keeping one eye on you and one arm cocked and ready to spring. Going to the movies was an event, people were polite but now, it's the damn Thunderdome.
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The skies opened up and the rains poured down. Completely unexpected and desperately needed, what a great storm. Me and the wife were sitting outside on the patio at Josephine's Restaurant right around 1pm (practicing proper social distancing of course) when the sky broke open, absolutely glorious! We walked around a few miles enjoying the rain. Temp was a cool 61 degrees. Just love days like today.
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Question for Eagles experts. Which Eagles album had a painting / drawing on either the inner gatefold or on the back, of the band in a car on a desolate desert road, the car is wrecked and the band dead with a dead eagle on the hood of the car.
I remember seeing this about 45 years ago but I cannot remember which album. I think it is from On the Border but not sure.
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I saw Page the following dates: April 10th 1977, March 1985, October 1988, May 95' and Sept 98'. Jimmy played extremely well every time I saw him however I would rate these shows as follows:
1. Sept 24th, 1998': Page was at Jeff Beck level of technique and control of his instrument, this is the best playing, hands down, I have seen from Jimmy. All the elements were there and for me this was his pinnacle of playing ability
2. April 10th, 1977: Another excellent performance where he was playing near 73' era levels, his only real flub of the night was during the first TYG solo, everything else was spot on.
3. May 10th, 1995: Page did a great job at this show and I have the DVD of the Irvine, CA show as well from this tour and both performances were very similar. What I really liked about this show were the added musicians which allowed P&P to represent correctly, for the first time, many Zep songs. I always believed Zep needed, required a second guitarist especially post 73' as the compositions became very difficult for three musicians to pull off live. ALS is a good example. I may get shit for this but the 95' tour had the best ALS, this is how the song should have sounded live. The difference Porl made as second guitarist made all the difference in the world. My only complaint here is Porl was more a second lead player than strictly rhythm. I really liked Porl's playing and his soloing was fantastic but I really wanted this to be more Jimmy's show. This is just a preference on my part and I have to admit, it is just a selfish nit.
4. October 1988: Another crackerjack show at a great venue, Mesa Amphitheatre at sunset. Just an amazing vibe and I went with my brother which made it extra special. Only complaint was I really did not like the lead singer John Miles but Jimmy played great if a wee bit reserved. I was very surprised he played this well after seeing him suck hard just a few months prior at the 40th. Believe me, just about everyone was surprised and when he just nailed the STH solo the crowd erupted after holding their collective breath. The old Jimmy was BACK!
5. March 1985: This is a weird one because Jimmy played extremely well at this show but as pointed out, he did not seem very happy in general. He was looking in good health, fit, wearing his white pants and t-shirt and just played his ass off. I guess I was hoping for fun, vibrant 73' MSG Jimmy and instead got a Ritchie Blackmore'esque performance, great playing but he just stood in one place and hardly moved, until the encores where he did come alive.
So I have been very lucky as I never caught a bad or even mediocre performance by Page. I will again point out the 98' tour as even though Page had a gut, he was not only at the top of his playing ability but was just having one hell of a time as well, the pure joy was all over his face and in his movements.
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18 hours ago, kipper said:
Were I lived TSRTS always was a midnight show on a Saturday night. So if people were bored and not doing anything else everyone would just show up to see the movie.
Across town a different kind of crowd would go see 'Rocky Horror Picture Show'. If we were driving past that crowd to see the Zep movie would we throw stuff at the freak sow dressed up in costumes going into see Rocky Horror.
Here in SoCal and for many years, you could usually see TSRTS at two places every weekend if you wanted.
The Fairfax Cinema on Beverly Blvd, in the Fairfax district near Hollywood (they advertised: "In Mega Quad Sound)"
Or the United Artist Theater on Colorado Blvd in Pasadena California.
At Scottsdale Fashion Square or the Cini-Capri you could see TSRTS, The Wall, & Rocky Horror at the same theatre but different screens at the midnight movies. It was hilarious as the two different groups (Pink Floyd & Zeppelin vs. The Rocky Horror crowd) would talk shit to each other. Nothing ever got physical back then as everyone was chill and likely high as well. It was just good fun taking the piss and there was never any trouble. I drifted between the two camps as I liked all three movies and got a kick out of TRHPS groups costumes and acting during the movie. I had a crush on a regular who dressed up as Little Nell but I guess I did not look enough like Meat Loaf for her tastes...no luck.
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2 hours ago, hummingbird69 said:
I don't care, I like 1941, is it caddyshack funny? no, but it has its moments.
Regarding seeing TSRTS in theaters. I was 14 years old. I got there early and the parking lot was empty up until 20 minutes before movie time. All of a sudden the lot filled up and there were about a thousand people who wanted tickets for a 300 seat theater. The building had a foyer with large glass windows flanking either side of the ticket booth. The second the booth opened everybody rushed it. Being there first, I and a bunch of other people were pushed up against the glass of the foyer. I was getting pretty scared because I was flat against the glass. The whole wall started to warp and the pane of glass I was crushed into shattered. I was pushed right over the metal sill which was wasn't very high and into the foyer with about ten other people. As soon as I hit the floor and started getting up everybody else began flooding into the foyer. People were going nuts stepping on and over those of us on the floor. I was pushed away from the ticket booth so I turned and ran to the nearest exit and got out of there. The police were there in minutes, the floyer was trashed and they closed the theater down. I had to wait another week to see it. This was in 1980. It was the first time a print of TSRTS was being shown near my house.
That's because you live in the Twilight Zone, shit gets wacky over on the other side.
Also, 1941 was one of the worst movies ever, walked out of the theatre after 45 minutes. I was embarrassed for the actors involved.
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1 hour ago, The Only Way To Fly said:
I think the best combo of White Summer into Kashmir was during the 77 tour. Imagine seeing it live for the first time. It must have been mind blowing. I'm assuming that's why Page kept the combo for the 1980 tour. It worked well during 77, so why change it (compared to the 1975 1,2,3,4, Bonzo count in i.e. Earls Court).
I get it, but Page should have at least shortened WS/BMS to three, maybe four minutes. Or even better, he should have brought back Spanish Blood from his Yardbirds days, that would have been a great segue.
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5 hours ago, Boleskine said:
I'd say the worst serial killer ever is Dean Corll who tortured and murdered dozens of young men.
Lawrence Bittaker and Roy Norris were also absolutely evil torturers.
Randy Kraft is another complete b@stard who never seems to get mentioned.
He was dubbed the Freeway Killer , a name also given to two other California serial killers William Bonin and Patrick Kearney.
All of them preyed on young men.
You should look up Robert Ben Rhoades, that guy was REALLY messed up. He was a sexual sadist who was an over the road trucker who picked up run away's and prostitutes. One of his victims got away, ran to a police station all tore up, literally tore up from the torture he had done to her, and the cops did nothing because she was a run away. Took them several more years and several more dead women before he was caught.
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On 6/28/2020 at 11:52 AM, kipper said:
Never noticed this before. Tarrantino found a way to put himself in the film... well, actually the movie poster.
He is an ego- maniacal dude, good filmmaker buy really weird and full of himself.
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To be accurate, Gacy never dressed up as a clown and killed people. Gacy was a very weird, very complex man who like many serial killers could compartmentalize his life. On the one hand you had Gacy the respected contractor, the beloved neighbor, and occasional clown who would perform for children. On the other hand you had the sadist serial killer Gacy who only got away with his crimes due to extreme police apathy regarding missing teenage boys and young adults. Very similar to the debacle a decade later regarding Jeffrey Dahmer and the Milwaukee police who actually returned a naked, bleeding victim back to Dahmer after the victim escaped. Then when the same person went missing the same cops called it a homo-cide.
Gacy was an impulse killer, somewhat disorganized in his method, and of average intelligence. The only reason he was able to kill 33 boys / young men was because the police just sucked. Then again this is the reason why most killers go un-punished is due to gross police negligence. Only 10 - 60% of murders are solved in the US (we have the lowest clear rate of any developed nation) and the mean solve rate is around 25-30%.
Bonus Fact: If a gun is used to kill someone, the percentage those cases are solved is a dismal 10% max as guns can kill from a distance and leave little evidence.
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50 minutes ago, Tainted cheese said:
Yes indeed, Bonzo's entrance into Song Remains The Same is nothing short of explosive, the entire concert he is a madman, how he maintains that speed and energy for almost four hours is unreal!
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Robert: "Out here in the perimeter, there are no stars"
in O2 Arena Concert, London - 12.10.07
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^ This
Plant was a huge Morrison fan until the Seattle Pop Show in 69' where both Zep & the Doors were on the bill. Plant was seriously looking forward to him and Maureen watching the Doors set, this was the highlight for Plant, that is how much Plant liked Morrison at that point. When Morrison pulled his drunken buffoon act its affect on Plant was the same as if we went to a Plant show and he showed up drunk, mumbling, and acting the ass.
When Jim was somewhat sober, the Doors could put on an amazing performance (Hollywood Bowl for one) and believe it or not, one of their last gigs at Isle of Wight on Aug 30th 1970 was also very good.