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  1. 3 hours ago, Strider said:

    Well, yes but that sort of reasoning gives short shrift to how massive Led Zeppelin were in both record sales and concert box office. 

    Are you saying that if The Rolling Stones had not released any singles that their album sales would match Led Zeppelin's? If The Rolling Stones had not released "Brown Sugar" as a single then "Sticky Fingers" would have gone on to sell 10 or 20 million like Led Zeppelin IV, also released in 1971?

    I bought singles and albums. I bought the "Brown Sugar" single, just as I bought the "Immigrant Song" and "Black Dog" and "Whole Lotta Love" singles. Buying the single didn't stop me from buying the albums and I doubt it stopped many Stones fans from buying the albums if they really wanted to buy them.

    Consider Led Zeppelin's most successful single, "Whole Lotta Love". Did the success of "Whole Lotta Love" cause sales of Led Zeppelin II to suffer? Not in the slightest. "Whole Lotta Love" was Led Zeppelin's biggest selling single and Led Zeppelin II was their biggest selling album until Led Zeppelin IV came along, and even then it finished the decade as their second highest selling album.

    The Rolling Stones just didn't have the committed record-buying fans that people have always assumed they had. They paled compared to The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and Elton John…and then later in the 1970s to bands like AC/DC and the Eagles. That is why the Stones are always touring. It is the only way guys like Charlie Watts and Ronnie Wood can get paid. The Stones don't sell that many albums and whatever they do sell, Mick and Keith get all the money because they alone are credited as the songwriters and get the publishing royalties.

    I believe I did not articulate the point well. A better way of putting it is Zeppelin always were and always planned to be an album orientated band so the entirety of each album was filled with strong material, no fillers. Even what some would consider to be fillers (Living Loving Maid, Hats Off, The Crunge, and Hot Dog) were still well constructed, excellent songs. People bought Zep albums because they knew every song on their albums would be great. So because they focused on the whole album vs. a couple of strong singles and F the album, they sold a shit-ton of albums. The Stones started earlier and in the early days did not have the control they would gain later on, plus, they were still a product of the early 60's when you HAD to have a single so that was the focus. I assume that's why Exile & Sticky are such strong, amazing albums with little filler compared to the earlier albums and later albums. Zep had the ability to consistently produce excellent material, album after album over the entirety of each album. I believe this is what sets Zeppelin apart from their contemporaries.

    Good post about Elvis, the man is "The MAN" all over the world, a damn icon. As you pointed out, no one can sing as good on record or live as Elvis did. Shit, when he had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel in June of 77' he delivered one of the greatest vocal performances of his life with his rendition of Unchained Melody on June 21st (ironic huh) in Rapid City. Not only was his voice crystal clear but his emotion and delivery was unmatchable, on par with Judy Garlands 1955 performance of Somewhere Over the Rainbow, and Maria Callas 62' performance at Covenant Garden.

  2. 28 minutes ago, gibsonfan159 said:

    He did to country what Metallica did to metal, making it a worldwide, mainstream genre. 

    Brooks is a bloody goat-fucker. Yes, he took country mainstream...by literally destroying country music and turning it into pop music with a shitty twang.

    In case you have not noticed, I hate Garth Brooks. I like all music types and have no problem stretching boundaries within a particular genre, but Brooks just diluted country to such a point it was no longer country. Randy Travis was really the last of the true country artists IMO. At least Metallica stayed within the genre of metal, just smoothed out its rough edges a bit.

    So if you take Striders numbers LZ vs. Stones, it shows Zep's strategy of not releasing singles paid off.

  3. 8 hours ago, kingzoso said:

    The Blues Brothers on AMC.  Elwood and Jake were so high on Cocaine throughout the whole movie.  That explains why they wore the dark sunglasses.

    Illinois Nazis.  I hate Illinois Nazis.  

    That shit is funny as Fuck (at least to Me).

    Joe Walsh was in the movie at the end.

    One of my favorite movies King. Start to finish, the movie is golden.

  4. 59 minutes ago, Strider said:

    And some people prefer the Firm over Led Zeppelin. I'll never understand such people but...well...

     

    Well, its just that, Van Hagar, had...too many notes. Yep, that's it. There are only so many notes the ear can hear and, um...

  5. 10 hours ago, Strider said:

    This may surprise people but I have never liked William Stout's cover art for "Bonzo's Birthday Party". I usually love Stout's bootleg art but not this one.

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    +1, never liked it either, in fact I find the art rather off putting and nasty.

  6. 11 hours ago, cryingbluerain said:

    AK-47's are not for idiots is all I have to say about it.

    The man was exercising his 2nd amendment rights, something you yourself have supported several times on this board. Second, he had it to protect his quadruple amputee wife who was there in a wheelchair. Third, the driver who murdered him was in the process of driving toward the mans wife, the man only got in front of the car to prevent the driver from running over his wife. Fourth, the man did not have his hands on the weapon, it was strapped across his chest.

    If you truly believe a man getting murdered while defending his wife is something that makes you happy, you are in desperate need of help because you are seriously sick and deranged.

     

  7. 5 hours ago, Strider said:

    You are forgetting Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Yes. Especially when you consider that Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles did not become big until 1975-76.

    From 1972-75 Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Deep Purple, Elton John dominated the likes of the Eagles and Fleetwood Mac, who often were just the support band in these years.

    In 1975, Jethro Tull, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and the Rolling Stones all played 4 or 5 night stands in Los Angeles at the L.A. Forum, L.A. Sports Arena, or Long Beach Arena. Elton John played two consecutive nights at Dodger Stadium to a cumulative total of over 100,000 people.

    The Eagles and Fleetwood Mac weren't quite at that level yet.

    How is Jesus tap dancing Christ did I forget about the Floyd & Tull? I figured Deep Purple and BS were big at that time but I did not think they sold anywhere near what those other bands did, albums or concert wise but then again I did not do me proper research. Regarding Eagles and FM I should have specified 76'-80' for those two. Even though I am a huge Yes fan I never knew they were at that level of popularity but again, should have researched.

    Either way, I figure the ultimate goal is to achieve the musical success, the financial success, and even a certain modicum of fame but anything beyond that and your life becomes a prison. Someone like Jagger or Elton John thrived in the spotlight, lived for the attention but for most its a drag. Others like Freddie Mercury, Jim Morrison, and Janis Joplin were just chewed up and spit out. No thank you. Zeppelin had the best of all worlds up until the abuses started in, and that was of their own making.

  8. From 1972 to 1978 the top grossing bands (albums and tours) were primarily the Stones, Zeppelin, Bowie, Jackson 5, Marvin Gaye, Elton John, the Eagles, and Fleetwood Mac. I did not put Frampton in there because he only had two big albums. Out of all those bands / performers I would argue Zeppelin had the lowest profile in regard to press. The Stones, Jackson 5, Elton John, & Fleetwood Mac had the highest profile press wise.

    I would say Zeppelin wins hands down because unlike the rest, the Zep boys could still walk around in public and enjoy their success. The rest needed serious security just to go to the market. I would rather be Robert Plant in 1976 than Mick Jagger in 1976, that's for sure.

  9. 2 hours ago, reids said:

    CBS all access offering Free 7 day subscription (binge watch Picard then cancel).
     

    R😎

    Yep, that's what I did. Then again I am the type of guy to go to a Mercedes dealership before a big event like a wedding, test drive a sweet ride, then give the sales person a "business card" and let them know I will be making a fleet purchase. Man, even the sales manager is shitting himself. Then I say I need to keep the car for a couple of days as this will be for a fleet purchase / lease and I need to make sure the model for my sales force. Keep the car for two days, then bring it back letting them know I need to think about it.

    That used to work about 50% of the time up until the late 90's, nowadays, no bueno. Bastards got wise.

  10. 2 hours ago, Strider said:

    I've been listening to this "Honey" of a song with my breakfast tea for the past few days. It is coming up on the one-year anniversary of their concert I saw at the Greek last August. I was looking forward to seeing them again this year before the coronavirus shut all the concerts down.

    With heavy metal turned to shit these days and Sonic Youth, Jane's Addiction, Nirvana, Tool, Soundgarden, Radiohead, Brian Jonestown Massacre and most other guitar-based bands of the 1980s-1990s either dead or turned to boring old farts, since 2010 it has been these newer bands that have kept guitar rock alive and creative and relevant:

    King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard

    Black Angels

    Thee Oh Sees

    Uncle Acid & the Deadbeats

    Better late than never. But you really need to see these guys live to really appreciate their musicianship. And start getting their albums...they are quite prolific. Start with the "Nonagon Infinity" and "Flying Microtonal Banana" albums.

     

    Thanks Sean, you bet I will. Best stuff I have heard in ages.

  11. On 7/21/2020 at 9:26 PM, luvlz2 said:

     

    How could you forget Nana Visitor & Michelle Forbes? Typically such a sin is unforgivable but I will chalk it up to lack of space on the picture board. I know they are in the collage, but they should be on the picture board too!!! 🙂

    Picard was pretty damn good IMO. It was almost as if the writers had taken a few tips and lessons from The Expanse and applied them to Picard. So the show was more serious and adult orientated than prior Trek and it was darker as well, especially regarding Picard's dealings with Starfleet and personal relationships. So it was much deeper than what you would expect. On the flip side it was also more poignant as his relationships with the crew, Riker, Troi, and others was much more nuanced and textured. IMO it is the best Trek series hands down. Not perfect but damn good.

  12. 11 minutes ago, JTM said:

    I don't dig it either, it's ok, no wonder it's sat in the fault for nearly fifty years.

    and TBH I was a bit confused when I heard the song as the reports through the years about this song said it was either about / for his daughter Scarlet and that it was more pastoral sounding, at least that is what I remember reading. If this is a song about his daughter, her past is more scandalous than Jimmy's, and at only three to boot!

  13. 12 hours ago, Bonzo_fan said:

    It would be nice to have a soundboard of one of the better January shows to help us judge better, but I agree.  That Minneapolis soundboard tease in February was very tantalizing.  

    I wish they had done that with the setlist as well, and I've always wished they would've played "Custard Pie" in '75.  It would have made for a much better opener than poor Robert croaking his way through "Rock And Roll" most nights, especially for the second leg once Physical Graffiti was in the shops...

    Yep, the croak would have actually worked for CP as it is recorded with Plant's voice in Kim Carnes mode anyway. Kinda like Tom Waits does Zeppelin. BTW I love Tom Waits so, good to go for me.

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