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4 hours ago, hummingbird69 said:
It has nothing to do with satan, crowely or lavey for cripes sake its 20 fucking 20 can we finally put this satan shit to rest!!
Calm down bud, I was only making light which should have been obvious with the midget Irishman but I guess that is asking too much
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On 4/17/2020 at 12:08 AM, Dylan Rutherford said:
No it’s “You’re gunna meet a lot of different people there”..
Who knows, could be devil in reference to Anton LaVey's Satanic Temple located at 6114 California St. which was there from 1966 - 1997 functioning as such. This was an extremely popular spot for celebrities during the 60's & 70's and hosts of movie actors and musicians came and went.
LaVey's Satanic Church was far less church and far more party / sex / drugs house. The only devil present was when LaVey would walk around in that silly devil outfit while fondling naked women.
Sort of like a 60's version of this clown...everyone has got an angle:
Actually, the midget story is fake but you get the idea.
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19 hours ago, Strider said:
And you can gripe and bemoan about the extracurricular activities that went on that weekend, but I still say July 24 Oakland is a good show.
I agree, people had told me that the Oakland gig's were crap so I never listened until recently. I was quite impressed by 7-24-77 and rank it highly.
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7 hours ago, Badgeholder Still said:
Ok. Then maybe the Led Zeppelin 1980 thread isn't for you. Just sayin.
Nahhh, I figure I will fancy sticking around, just to keep ya company.
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13 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
Let me educate you. Robert placed no major stipulations on the Over Europe '80 tour. He did place one major stipulation on touring the US in '80, which he expressed to Peter Grant on the tarmac upon return to England as (paraphrasing): "Alright, G. I'll do it but for no longer than a month". If you pull up the Canada/US '80 tour itinerary note it runs one month. Your comments about Bonzo are merely opinions and conjecture.
All that said, I must say it's peculiar you seldom if ever present any analogy without alluding to failed romantic relationships and sexual promiscuity.
Hey, we write what we know
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6 hours ago, Badgeholder Still said:
Let's consider this. If I, through a very strong gut feeling, speculate that you fancy getting frisky with farm animals, then post this on the internet, post this on flyers in your neighborhood and email this speculation to your colleagues, then, only those who received this information would be at fault. I, by your definition, would hold no responsibility at all, correct? Because speculation can't be at fault for creating ideas, only those who interpret the information are to blame. Yes yes?
Go for it, I could not care less as long as you preface it with "I think or I suppose" then have at it. Whoever believe it that's on them, not me. However I have seen a few pretty hot sheep before. Just sayin.
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15 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
Let's look at this post of yours dated March 20:
"Robert was pushed into the tour, plain and simple. He did not want to be there. Bonzo was obviously not very into it as well."
Sure reads like an assertion of absolute fact (misinformation) to me and undoubtedly many others, particularly fans just discovering the group.
"In my opinion..." is generally used to preface that which is meant to be taken as speculation or conjecture.
Ok, I will bite:
Fact on record: Plant had several stipulations before he would even consider the 80' European Tour. That is not speculation, that is FACT. If someone is placing major stipulations, and yes compared to prior tours these were major stipulations indeed, then he was not exactly thrilled to be on tour at that point. Kinda like if you beg your ex to get back with you and she says, "um, ok, but only if you give me all your money, and I get to keep your balls in a jar, and no sex but I can screw whoever I want but you can't screw anyone." Sure, she may be back with you but she obviously don't really want to be. Second fact: Bonzo's drumming on the tour was essentially a human metronome, he was not drumming poorly but his drumming was only what was needed. His thunder of say 77' or even 79' was nowhere to be found except for one or two of the early gigs such as Dortmund.
This is not speculation, this is on record. Also on record is Bonzo not wanting to do the US leg of the 80' tour, he voiced this several times in September before he passed.
What I was speculating on is the same as what everyone else was speculating on...what would have happened if Bonzo lived. The stuff I posted leading up to the point is factual and on record.
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7 hours ago, Badgeholder Still said:
There is no virtue in being, especially knowingly, a source of misinformation, no matter how you spin it to avoid responsibility.
By that logic any time someone speculates, "man, the Stones would have been way better if Mick Taylor would have stayed in the band" is spreading misinformation. I sure would hate to live in your world of absolutes.
Misinformation would be people on here posting something along the lines of, "Zeppelin would have stayed together forever if Bonzo had not died, I know this because Robert told me." That is misinformation because that would be claiming fact, not speculation. I think you need to look up the definition of speculation.
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5 hours ago, Brigante said:
Indeed. In 1980, Zeppelin were just back up and running, they'd done a European tour, Robert had agreed to a US tour and they were rehearsing for that tour - yet somehow people take all that and conclude that Robert was going to leave?! Or that Bonham was going to quit due to Jimmy not being permanently on point? Or that Jimmy was going to call a three-year hiatus? None of those conclusions follow from anything that'd actually happened. You build a hypothesis from the available evidence - or you're just spouting bullshit. It's not the same thing. Tell you what, there's this thing called 'critical thinking', see, and...oh, never mind... 😕
You are really going to go this far over people simply wondering about "what if's?" I could see if such speculation was completely out of left field and then presented not as speculation but as fact but that is not the case.
Talk about an over the top reaction to benign posts.
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5 hours ago, Badgeholder Still said:
The problem is when speculation becomes mythology which people end up accepting as fact. "I heard
Page play some wrong notes in '77 and '80 because he was on heroin, therefore the entire tours have no merit". This shit has been copied and pasted exponentially because enough people have come to believe it as fact. To the detriment of LZ's legacy. That's how spouting bullshit becomes irresponsible.I don't see the direct connection between how a defense attorney bullshits on behalf of his guilty client and how the legacy of a great band should be maintained. Bullshit has no place in the latter.
If simple speculation becomes mythology, that's on the person taking it to such a moronic conclusion...don't blame the people speculating.
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1 hour ago, Brigante said:
Some of you lot have some really, really weird suppositions going on.
So weird, I honestly don't know how you've reached those conclusions from the evidence in front of you.
If I'm ever up in court and there's clear-cut evidence of my innocence, I hope you're not on the jury, lads - I'll go down for sure!
That's why they are called suppositions and not fact. The only people who truly know are Page, Plant, & Jones but we as fans can speculate, there is nothing wrong with that. I don't see what's weird about it any more than people pondering why they did or did not play a particular song. Johnny Cochran never said, "I believe the gloves don't fit, I don't have them, OJ will not put them on if I did, but I believe they don't fit so therefore, you must acquit." Unless I missed that part.
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5 hours ago, Chicago said:
Page was always going to be the founder and leader of Led Zeppelin. As far as the U.S. 1980 Led Zeppelin tour, nobody in Chicago had tickets because they were never released to the public.
I understand that and nowhere in my post did I say we HAD the physical tickets, I said my brother BOUGHT the tickets via mail which he did as did several thousand. The tickets went on sale in September if memory serves (via mail in order only) and my brother received the confirmation. The tour was cancelled before the physical tickets were released to those who bought them, however those who purchased the tickets were refunded their money in full.
Next time I will make sure to include every minute detail so as not to cause any confusion to the nitpickers.
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I believe everyone commenting is correct within a certain degree. Most likely if Bonham survived the band would have ended after the second leg (1981) American dates. Reason I have is as mentioned, Robert's interviews post-Zep. The reason for Robert's leaving is both obvious and simple...Jimmy Page. It was very obvious in those interviews he did in the 80's that Robert was rather upset with Page up until around 1985 and after 85' was a combination of ambivalent and hoping Jimmy would do well. I believe (speculation) that Robert thought Zep was given a second chance at life with ITTOD, the Copenhagen gigs and even the first Knebworth gig but the second Knebworth saw Jimmy return to Tempe 1977 mode in full force and then Jimmy continuing that trend through the 80' tour. One thing Robert has insisted on during his solo years is a high level of professionalism among his players and I believe Robert was simply fed up and ready to be done with Jimmy by tours end in 1980 (Europe). Jimmy was a mess but in retrospect and with more info about Page's addictions in general, I doubt he would have died from an OD unless his habits became worse. Jimmy snorted H, he did not shoot it and I believe Jimmy's poor playing at some shows was more due to alcohol than H but again, not sure.
I was around then and was going to go to the final Chicago gig on November 15th as my brother had purchased the tickets as a birthday present and I was well aware of interviews in magazines and TV at the time.
Now saying Jimmy was spent, I don't believe this though both he and Bonzo needed a serious break and if they both had taken that break and placed the band on hiatus from August 1980 - somewhere around 1983 or 84' I think they would have come back strong with a very good album and tour. This would have given Robert & JPJ the opportunity to pursue solo work, allow Bonham to spend plenty of time with his family, get clean, and get his drive back to perform.
Of course this is speculation but when you hear the opening performance as posted for the 80' European tour it begs one to answer the question: How did they start so strong (especially Bonham) and then...were they pissed no press had shown up? Did they just become disinterested along the tour? It is strange as the Dortmund gig was just so good
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On 3/29/2020 at 3:29 PM, woz70 said:
Depends on what they/their lawyers negotiate. Could be a lump sum based on projected sales and the length of the clip, could be a percentage. I should imagine lots of wrangling, and big money involved. Just look at the recent Stairway to Heaven fishing expedition by Taurus.
When you consider how badly the Stones screwed The Verve for Bittersweet Symphony (they made not a penny from that song, until Jagger and Richards relented last year I think..) you can see how difficult and long winded negotiations might be.
Then also consider that Page grumbled about Charlie Jones and Michael Lee getting writing credits for Walking into Clarksdale, he probably objects to any amount being taken....
...so the songs get taken out.
Jimmy is quite the Led Wallet and a decision based on such for not including the medleys is self defeating no? After all, better to get 60% of something than 0% of nothing. Especially now as everything is pretty much streaming, iTunes, etc. It would not be a similar scale to The Verve as streaming did not exist and people still bought physical media. Now the majority buy a song here, a song there from an album so the negotiation would have to be sales for WLL ONLY, they could not get royalties from a full album sale.
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14 hours ago, kipper said:
I don't buy that theory either Frogman. First off by 1968 most Americans were very ready to change parties after the total fuck over by the Johnson administration and the Vietnam war. In 1968 Nixon was very likely to win and in fact he won a much larger margin of electoral votes than Hubert Humphrey ended up with. There was also a HUGE 3rd party spoiler in the mix--- George Wallace-- who carried a large chunk of Southern states pretty much assuring that those votes for Wallace would come out of the Democrat party column.
So with all of that then looking ahead for the Democratic party, why on Earth would the "CIA" need to assassinate RFK since the political pendulum was already swinging toward the Republicans that year anyway?
Sirhan-Sirhan was a loon. Even more loony than Lee Harvey Oswald. The guy was a disturbed man who target RFK based off whatever squirmy thinking was going on in Sirhan-Sirhan's brain. He is the same type who might do a mass shooting, but in '68 he was dead set on targeting RFK.
As already stated, the simplest answer is usually the correct answer. A nut with gun.
Glad you asked Kip, and here is the reason: RFK would have released the info about Nixon's team meeting illegally with the South Vietnamese in Paris in July 68'. This was the meeting where Nixon's dirty tricksters convinced the South Vietnamese not to sign the peace deal Johnson's people brokered in June. All parties were going to sign in September of 68' which would have ended the Vietnam War and gave a guaranteed victory to Bobby Kennedy. Johnson was afraid such info would tear the nation apart so never released it and the tapes which prove this happened were not released until the 2000's. The fact that Nixon and his staff were guilty of high treason and are responsible for all deaths in Vietnam post September 1968 is not disputed, it is verified fact. The conspiracy part is if the CIA killed Bobby, I don't know but it is interesting.
Also, how did Sirhan shoot Kennedy in the back of the head when he was in front of Kennedy the whole time? How did Sirhan fire 10 rounds when his gun only held 8?
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21 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
You don't believe it's possible to respect animals as well as consume them? Do the words "sustained yield" mean anything to you?
Steve, this has nothing to do with my post. I eat fish. I have many friends who are hunters and their hunting is part of forest management and overall sustainability. I wish you would stop with the nonsense and turning one issue into another. Sustainable hunting is a good thing, no argument there. My point is society AS A WHOLE cannot evolve socially to the next level until SOCIETY stops eating animals. There are two primary reasons for this. The first is obvious, factory farming of animals for slaughter is an environmental nightmare due to a combination of waste and the amount you have to put in in order to get something back. The second is we are eating complex animals who feel and experience life very much as we do which is ethically wrong especially in an age where it is not necessary or warranted. If people switched to a plant based diet and stopped eating meat & dairy, diabetes, heart disease, intestinal, prostrate, bladder, stomach, and several other forms of cancer would essentially disappear. It would quite literally cut the cost of healthcare by 1/2 - 2/3. And this is not because meat and animal products are inherently unhealthy (dairy is, always is, no exception and this is proven by science), but because unless you hunt in the wild for all your meat, you are eating shit, lots and lots of very bad shit due to the genetic manipulation of these animals, due to the massive amounts of steroids and antibiotics used.
When my grandmother was buying meat in the 1930's the stockyards were four miles from her home in Chicago and it took at least two years before a cow was ready for slaughter. Now everything is shipped in from industrial factory farms and that cow now only takes 6 months from birth to slaughter due to chemical and genetic intervention.
So my hunter friends are all very healthy, rural folk who eat only the meat they kill and they eat considerably less meat than your average metro dweller because it is much easier to motor to the grocery to pick up a few pounds of meat than it is to stalk, kill, process, store, and cook meat which was hunted. So yes, hunting is good, wild meat is good and good for you in small quantities, but regarding ethics eating meat is wrong and I am guilty as well.
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22 hours ago, kipper said:
Well.... I would NEVER go to India. Not because I have an issue with the people or their culture---- but in terms of protecting my health--- or in anticaption of what may happen if you have an accident and need to go to the hospital, there are MANY countries I would not travel to. The closest country to me on that list is Mexico. NOPE--- won't go. Not even for a few hours in TJ. No reason to go to a 3rd world nation---- maybe no reason to go to many 1st world nations too, but I digress.
If we were in a 'lifeboat' situation and our survival depended on eating Fido--- then that is one thing. In fact Fido would just be eaten FIRST.... and the whoever is the next to die would be eaten next. But we do not live in that kind of situation, and while we human are in fact omnivores--- have sharp cuspid teeth same a canines and tigers for tearing and eating flesh--- we still aren't living during the receding ice age so no reason apart from a dire situation for survival to eat dogs, cats, monkeys, bats--- or many other animals.
Dogs aren't more intelligent than some other animals, but over the last 20,000 years we humans have developed along side of dogs and we sort of have a human/canine relationship. It wasn't cows and chickens who were are "early warning system" helping us to be alerted for other threats, both four legged and two legged threats. And it wasn't pigs and sheep who helped us hunt for game. Because clearly at the point we had pigs and sheep we didn't need to hunt as much--- and it was of course the domesticated canine that helped us to herd and protect those sheep, cattle, and even protect our poultry.
In the end a dog or cat is still just another form of protein. But the same is true of humans-- and we DON'T eat humans either. Not saying dogs are humans, but the fucking part of the damn Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese cultures that make it okay to eat dogs and cats is just a sign that those are less developed cultures. And if you look into it, eating dogs isn't even an ancient tradition in China anyway, it is much more recent. Much of it is just GREED as there is a billion dollar industry in China for exotic and wild animal meat. That and some odd Chinese "voodoo" / "traditional Chinese medicine" belief that eating these animals increases your stature and "luck". Which can also be said about the market for rare and often endagerd species like Bengal Tiger paws and other parts in the Chinese apothecary trade.
China needs to change a lot if they want to be accepted by the rest of the free world. They have done a good job of bull shitting the world for a long time, and now is the time we need to pull back the curtain and expose this damn commie country for the evil place it is.
I have no problem with eating meat and I do. My argument is not a vegan argument.
I pretty much agree Kip, and those open "wet" markets just gotta go, either that or stop all trade and travel with countries that engage in such practices.
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On 4/4/2020 at 12:22 PM, Badgeholder Still said:
The idea that both JFK & RFK were killed by lone nuts... with all of the capable political enemies they created who had means, motive & opportunity.. . c'mon.
The RFK one is even more obvious as a CIA hit as Bobby was, without doubt, going to get the Dem nomination. Bobby had recently changed his mind regarding the US & Israeli relationship insofar as intelligence and supplying arms (the USS Liberty attack was still fresh at the time) and he possibly would have killed weapons sales (50 Phantom jets) to Israel if elected. This was big money being threatened not to mention US interests in the middle east for decades to come. Sirhan claimed he killed Bobby because Kennedy supported the arms sales which he initially did but Kennedy had been having second thoughts. Bobby's death was quite obviously a CIA hit as he was shot in the back of the head even though Sirhan was in front of him the whole time. Sirhan's gun held 8 rounds yet 10 were pulled from the pantry...where did the other two come from? Then there is the mysterious Lady in Red seen by several and which Sirhan originally claimed was his handler.
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On 4/8/2020 at 10:27 AM, Badgeholder Still said:
Do you ever eat bangers & mash like a regular bloke? Always, the best ingredients, the best wine, the best smoke... you're the best.
I always knew you were a big fan of sausage, you seem the type.
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It's all perspective. You go to India and even think of touching a cow much less eating one and your ass is screwed. Societies develop differently so one society may look at a dog and see a pet while others see lunch. As far as I am concerned if you eat any animal, you really cannot condemn another for which animals they choose to eat otherwise you are being rather hypocritical IMO. I love dogs, have one right now and I would kill a fucker should they attempt to harm her, but that was my cultural upbringing. Personally I believe humanity cannot truly socially evolve to the next level until we respect ALL animals and eat NO animals as a result. I eat fish (no land animals) occasionally so I feel I have not evolved socially either. Maybe in a few years, sushi is yummy!!! I also cannot and will not condemn another for their food choices just as long as that choice does not include my dog Nibbler.
Who's a good doggie??? YOU are...YOU are Nibbler 🐕
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3 hours ago, Paimonus Rex said:
Can't escape a vision of Kristy McNichol and credits rolling on an ABC Afterschool movie when this music plays
Don't do drugs...drugs are bad...Kristy McNichol says so!
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Sounds very similar to the beginning of Phil Collins We Said Hello, Goodbye which came out several years after 10 Ribs was recorded. Wonder if this is coincidence or maybe Collins heard the track as he was good friends with Robert?
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8 hours ago, Stryder1978 said:
....don't forget about Plenty O'Toole!
I hear he is quite the hit with the ladies...and possibly a few gentleman as well.
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2 hours ago, redrum said:
How about 'Vagina Aplenty?'
Good question as Vagina is the medical term for that particular piece of equipment.
'laugh' in TSRTS Dazed & Confused..?
in Led Zeppelin Live
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I would agree with this however that would be supposition and we surely can't do that.