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Just when you thought you were getting bored hearing the same songs...here is an interactive forum, better than any magazine, by miles. Unreal, i'm still absorbing it as a fan.
Same here. Decades later, I find there is always something new to discover and learn about my favorite band.
[...]Excellent point. Maybe that is part of what made them so interesting and exciting, too, especially to the more intelligent and aware.
Think of what a boring, "ticky tacky," sameness we were all subjected to. Rock 'n Roll was a way out, and seriously, people with "hidden" knowledge were irresistable. Put the two together, it's a good thing.
I'd have died of sheer boredom and frustration without that sort of outlet.
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"Intelligent and aware" - I like that description.
Seriously, though, I absorbed a lot back then - probably/possibly more than I should have. I have said it before: the band opened the world to me - not just musically but also where and how they traveled, what they read, etc. I quickly realized that I would never be content with a "small" or "narrow" life. -
Wow; what a wonderful note! She sounds like a very special person!
My 6 year old brought home a framed picture for me that she made in school; and a note about why she loves me
My favorite part was when she said I was cute I love those handmade presents and cards from the kids; I save them all; they are my treasures! She really is very special, Virginia. I have saved the handmade cards and presents that my kids made me when they were little. They are so sweet and some of the things that they write come straight from the heart - like your little girl saying that you are cute!
That's so awesome!I hope my mother in law feels the same way when I have one!
I'm planning my mother's day gift to my mom--I'm making her a HUGE breakfast. My mom told me to have "the girls" (my sisters) help out with the work. It made me happy to know that everyone's going to be at my house on Sunday morning!
It really is. It sounds like you and your mom and sisters are close - you are really lucky. I hope you had a great HUGE breakfast.
My husband and I, along with our youngest daughter, met our two oldest children in a city - we had lunch and spent the day together. I love being with them all and know how blessed I am to have them in my life.
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I presume you attended the September 3, 1971 concert at Madison Square Garden, in
which case it would have been another two months before the album was released. All
the songs were recorded by March 1971, so they were fully prepared to perform them on that tour. Atlantic's resistance to the album cover artwork did result in a delay, but
Jimmy already decided fairly early on he did not want to just title it 'Led Zeppelin IV'.
Yes, that was my first Zep concert. I didn't know that the songs were recorded back in March of that year. It seems that, after all these years, I am still learning new things about LZ.
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I saw Jim in 68, he was drunk as hell but eventually got it on.
There's my 3 dollar ticket stub
You were so lucky Hotplant! When I was little, I used to dream of going to LA to see Jim Morrison. He tragically died before I ever got to see him. :'( It's cool that you kept your $3 ticket stub! -
Receiving a beautiful Mother's Day card and note in the mail from my Mother-in-Law today. Among other things, she told me what a great mother I've been to her grandchildren and how much she has loved having me as part of the family.
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Nah, it just wasn't what he envisioned. With the albums that followed you can be sure he wasn't gonna let that happen again. That's why HOTH's release was delayed for weeks. He wanted the colors to be perfect.
A funny anecdote about album covers. When Zep was doing Presence, they hired Hipgnosis to do the cover. They were the firm that did Pink Floyd's most memorable covers. Anyway, Storm Thorgeson (the designer), walks into Swan Song and presents his vision. It's a tennis court. He looks at Jimmy and says "Racket. Get it?". Jimmy was incensed! "Racket??". Our music is "Racket??". "GET OUT!!!". Storm came back with "Zeppelin's music has this presence". Blah blah. Hence the Presence cover with the obelisk. Funny shit! But hey, Storm rescued the commission!
Hello Evster,You are essentially correct. Jimmy found the typeface in an old arts and crafts magazine called Studio (which began publishing in the late 1800s). He thought that the lettering was interesting and said he commissioned someone to work up a whole alphabet. There
is apparently a credit to "Graphreaks" for design coordination so it may well have been
them.
Good point on the third album artwork, although I think the subtle difference is he relied
upon someone else to execute his concept, whereas with Led Zeppelin IV he was more directly involved in the execution. A quick bit of Wiki-wisdom:
The concept of a volvelle, based on crop rotation charts, was initially Jimmy Page's idea. However, the result was a meeting of minds as Zacron had been working on rotating graphics from 1965. Zacron felt that by not including text on the front of the cover, the art would endure.
In an article featured in the December 2007 issue of Class Rock magazine, Zacron claimed that upon his completion of the artwork, Jimmy Page telephoned him while he was in New York to express his satisfaction with the results, saying "I think it is fantastic". However, in a 1998 interview Page himself gave to Guitar World magazine, he described the results as a disappointment:
"I thought it looked very teeny-bopperish. But we were on top of a deadline, so of course there was no way to make any radical changes to it. There were some silly bits - little chunks of corn and nonsense like that."
Back to Led Zeppelin IV, there is no consensus on which of the prominent English occult figures may be depicted on the cover, which is why one is not specifically named here. Besides, most occult connections are best left for others to explore on their own path at their own pace. I don't believe in spoon feeding people in this area of study.
Insofar as the hermit having horns and the presence of a dove, this is not something I
have "decided", rather it has been or can be interpreted in this manner. Clearly, it's a
work meant to be interpreted by us: "View in Half or Varying Light".
The authorship of the inner artwork was resolved previously in this thread. It was found
that (Barrington) Colbey's name may have inexplicably been mispelled "Colby" on the album cover, which made finding other examples of his work difficult. Apparently, he is
residing in Switzerland at this time.
Always a pleasure to correspond with you, Evan.
Ev and Steve, thanks for that information on the album covers. It's interesting to me that Jimmy didn't like the cover of LZ III and described it as "teeny-bopperish" - I remember when that album was released - I was still a kid and not yet a "teeny-bopper" - my friends and I thought the cover was incredibly cool.
It reminds me of what was, back then, a vast chasm of sorts between the sophistication level of the Zep guys and that of their young fans.When I first saw Zep in concert, the fourth album had not yet been released and I don't believe that it had a working title although the band performed songs from it. Was the delay (I think it was released two months after the concert) due to the cover artwork or the band not reaching a decision about a title?
ftr, when the album was finally released, my friends and I searched for all sorts of supposedly hidden messages, meanings, and symbols, including using mirrors. After awhile, we outgrew that and it became, at least to us, just a great album cover - one without hidden messages, meanings, and symbols.
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Red , White and Black. Bring it on Lebanon
Brown is nice too.
was there in february with a friend who wanted to drink a beer on morrison's grave for her 40th birthday...as you can see it's quite different. complete with security fence....
no shortage of crazy foreign fans though...
Great photos, Marolyn. Thanks for sharing them. It's interesting to see that they've put up a security fence but the fans still come to visit Jim's grave. Your photos also reminded me that people had painted "Jim" in small letters with an arrow on the other graves so people could find their way through the cemetery to Jim's grave.
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To alwizard: you've got some of the BEST Skynyrd and Southern rock shots I've ever seen!!!!...THANX for sharing!No problem anytime
You really do have some great shots. My husband and I both enjoyed the most recent series of pics you posted.
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Hi MSG!
Yes, the memory stays the same for those particular days.
Hi Hotplant!
I know exactly what you mean. I'll never forget those days. Ever.
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One of the few pages I saved out of lots of paper memorabilia tossed by dear ol' Mom.
Magnetic picture books will rot. Didn't know back then, I was just lucky Mom didn't get everything.
The pink ticket was from the 73 show here in SLC.
The bottom ticket, though not visable was from the 77 Forum.
The passes are, passes.
These were some "trivia" from the Riot House, and some silly stuff from a scrapbook.
I quoted your post because your memorabilia is so very, very sweet! Especially the Riot House stuff.
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I'm now wondering if I think the injury happened at the Long Beach Airport because Ev posted it and I replaced LAX with Long Beach Municipal. If the band were flying within CA via the Falcon, it might be that they couldn't take off or land from LAX so they went via LB. The road crew went to San Diego and back via bus.
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Oh, and MSG, thanks, but while I have scanned literally hundreds of LZ photos, there's no need to give me credit for these photos - I was only reposting most of them. It's just that I'm a little more systematic than most about how I save my LZ photos, so I usually have photos relevant to the discussions.
And well.... I have about 12,000 pics of the band.
You're always so generous about sharing your photos, Otto. No doubt the ones I posted here came from you.
What you are saying about that injury is really interesting - and very convincing when you look at the pics where you can see the bandages, as they cover his hand, and not any of his fingers at all. It would be great if we could find out for sure, because as Steve says, it doesn't seem to have been very serious - but all the books, without exception, say that it was a sprained finger.I remember reading/hearing that some people who were on the scene heard Jimmy say that he had to soak his hand. I'm not sure what that means as far as the injury but, whatever it was and whatever he did, he played well on those nights at the Forum.
As for the stories about how it happened, I must say I found it disappointing that Robert Godwin doesn't include anything about either of these two incidents in his Press Reports book. But Lewis and Pallett do include this quote about the LA mishap in '73:'How did Page sprain his finger? Incredible rumors about that were rampant around the Sunset Strip including that the boys were busy throwing beer bottles and finally a table - out of the windows of the ninth floor of the Continental Hyatt House Hotel [e.g. 'Riot House' - OM] into a Lincoln convertible in the parking lot - just for fun, you know. Page's finger got in the way and you know the rest. Led Zeppelin has stayed at the Continental several times before and their frolicking has resulted in repair expenses being tacked on the bill, but they are always contrite afterwards and seemingly are always welcome guests at this hostelry of the rock kingdom.'
That quote reminds me of how news and rumors circulated amongst fans prior to the internet and text messaging. I was part of the "common rabble" of fans and we even got wind of the rumors that Jimmy injured his finger at the Riot House - whatever the reason for canceling a concert, fans' imaginations will run rampant.
I don't think it fazed his playing at all.Remember...Jimmy has magick fingers.
A couple of us...at least, were there that week.
A couple...
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Some early Jim Morrison information:
A few years ago, an archivist at Florida State University discovered a "lost" film that Jim made when he was a student there:
http://www.floridamemory.com/photographicc...ideo.cfm?vid=22
This interview includes a mug shot of Jim, taken when he was a college student:
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Jimmy injured his fingers twice in the 70's.
The first time it happened was in LA, on May 29 apparently. He played a couple of gigs in LA with a sprained finger, and his hand was still bandaged when he arrived in San Francisco for the famed Kezar stadium show on June 2 - simply took it off for the show and used painkillers. He developed a three finger technique for the ensuing shows, but as the tour progressed his playing improved and gradually went back to his normal way of doing things. Here's Jimmy arriving at San Francisco airport.
Here he has just arrived at the venue, looking a bit worried:
The second time it was two fingers, just as the group was departing from England to play a couple of gigs in Rotterdam and Brussels, on January 11 and 12, 1975; and then the U.S. Tour immediately afterwards. His playing again obviously suffered most in the first gigs after it happened. Robert had health problems at a similar time, and as far as I know, the February 12 performance was the first really strong one on the tour. By Earl's Court in May the band were giving great performances by all accounts (and I'll second that, going from what I've heard of those shows).
Otto, thanks for the detailed information and the photos. Here are two more of the '73 hand injury that you once posted here or on the old site for us:
The May 31st 1973 LA Forum gig is a good performance, but so far as I know he only suffered a slight sprain. The postponement of the May 30th show was announced onthe radio as fans were arriving at the venue. This seems to be consistent with them
having arrived at the airport from San Diego, although I've also heard Jimmy actually
hurt it screwing around at the Riot House pool the day before. I tend to believe it
happened at the airport as he said, unless I ever confirm they flew up from San Diego
on May 29th instead.
Steve, interesting that you mention that. I was at both LA concerts and I remember hearing that rumor circulating back then - that Jimmy actually hurt his hand at the Riot House and not at the airport. In any case, while at the Riot House he did get some R&R and recover well enough to carry on.
The 73 injury happened at Long Beach Municipal Airport. He strained a tendon in his palm climbing a chain link fence that separated him from some fans.The 75 injury was his ring finger that got fractured when it got slammed in a train door.
Hi Otto!
I believe that you are right - that he was hurt at the LB airport. I hadn't thought of that old rumor until Steve mentioned it...
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That's scary to think of what kids will do with our stuff, isn't it? I trained mine early. My 8 year old daughter is into Zeppelin, and she thinks it's cool she has morning 'bed head' just like Jimmy's early uncombed hair days. (they're twins I swear!)
Hopefully she and her brother will keep our things out of respect for their love of Zep. If not, they know I'll come back to haunt them no matter where I end up... or down...
I try not to think about it. Our kids are older than yours but they all grew up listening to Zep - and their degree of affection for the band varies. We were on a road trip this weekend and "Going to California" came on the radio and my daughter said, "I remember you used to play this for me when I was little!" So, they have respect for the band as artists but also feel a connection because the music was part of their childhood. If they hit rough patches in life, as my husband and I once did, it will be their choice or decision to sell - or not sell - the rock and Zep memorabilia. At that point, I won't have any say in the matter.
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I saw a late night screening of Monterey Pop the other night and it was a packed house!! Great seeing it on the big screen. And guess who got the biggest applause from the audience?? Janis! Very cool. People were even still talking about her after the screening. After seeing a lot of stuff on Youtube of her i am convinced she was the best female rocker of all time. And one of the greatest live performers of all time.
Monterey Pop and Woodstock are both great to see on the big screen! Glad you got to experience that. I agree with what you wrote about Janis.
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Those last 15 sec. are priceless, typical Jimbo Watching that clip made me realize that The Doors' concerts and Morrison's antics were a kind of template for my Zep concert behavior. I was too young to have attended any Doors concerts but I made up for that during the Zep years.
Edited to add: I made an error when I typed my earlier post about visiting Jim's grave - I meant to write "pot and hash" - good hash was cheap and easily available in Europe back then.
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Well, I couldn't find any one, so this is first (I think).
Me: Roadhouse Blues - Song
Eagle, I finally watched the vid - it's a great one! The last 15-20 seconds are priceless!
Where do I start? I started to learn about the doors in the fall of 1980, right after Bonzo passed.[...]
If you recall, Michael McClure was one the poets Jim looked up to before he was ever even in the doors...
Thanks for sharing that story, Stonefreelee.
On our first trip to Paris, when I was just out of college, one of the first places that my husband and I visited was Père Lachaise to see Jim Morrison's grave site - it was a shrine and there were fans from all over the world sitting nearby smoking pot and weed and drinking beer and wine. In the decades since, we returned to Paris several times but never visited the grave again so I don't know if it looks the same or if it is still a mecca for Jim's fans.
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No dont worry I want there will be a sell after I am dead but not until then.
My husband and I just recently decided that with regard to our own rock memorabilia - we'll keep it and enjoy it for the rest of our lives. When we're gone, our kids can decide what to do with it.
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It was devistating but to be honest, they took just about everything we owned at the time and the Zeppelin stuff was probably the least of my worries I can do that now !
Never saw the pictures again, anywhere. The irony of them was that the friend who took the shots wasn't even a Zeppelin fan. He went to the show just to take cocert pictures. Something he had never done before. He moved to England and have not heard from him in 30 yrs.
He may be someone famous for all I know.Your friend's name wasn't Eddie Kramer or Bob Gruen, was it?
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I had 90% my collection stolen in the early 80's. Along with most of the other items in our house. A great series of black and white photos and the negatives that a friend of mine took from the 73 Vancouver show were part of the haul. Professional quality and some of the best shots I've ever seen of the band. I have not seen them surface anywhere which is really a bummer because it probably means they were just thrown away. Most of what's left of my collection is pretty average stuff that was stored at another location at the time of the robbery
That must have been devastating! I can’t remember what set her off but, one time during my Zep years, my mother went on a rampage of sorts and purged my room of most of my LZ concert stuff (including photos). She thought she had gotten it all but fortunately I had some of the best things hidden safely away. My husband and I ended up having to sell several of the best of my remaining concert memorabilia (including badges) in the ‘80’s (I have periodically trolled ebay hoping to find them) but I did manage to keep a few items that are very special to me.
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When my husband and I were young, we were leaving a concert buzzed and barely finding our way through the parking lot. We saw feathers on the ground. When I picked it up, we saw that it was a roach clip with feathers and with what we thought was a folded $20 bill stuck in the clip. When my husband pulled it out, there were five 20s. $100 was a fortune to us back then.
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Can't recall having seen that. Interesting that he would say that. I couldn't really say, but I'm a little inclined to think the person may have gotten the wrong impression. John Philipps of The Mamas & The Papas was one of the main organizers of the event, and was of course always extremely proud of it - and of the fact that the musicians played for free. Philipps thought Monterey Pop was THE real hippy festival, and that by contrast Woodstock was already very much about money. Don't know, perhaps so.
But anyway, John and Michelle Philipps were both so busy with the organization work that, as he put it, 'we almost forgot that we had to perform there as well'..... So The Mamas and The Papas rehearsed very little, and their performance wasn't up to their usual standards. (Not bad at all in my book though; I've always liked them, in fact). Damn, it's so funny to see Cass Elliott's jaw just drop to the floor while Janis is singing.
Jesus, there were so many great performances there. Otis Redding was amazing. And Ravi Shankar!
I wish I could find the text or a youtube clip of that interview. It was quite interesting. It could well be that the person, because he was with the Holding Company, was a bit biased.
The clip of Cass Elliott watching Janis is a classic!
Here are some links to NPR stories on the Monterey Pop fest and John Phillips:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...toryId=11028739
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1120200
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5778064
I hear you on the entire Monterey Pop festival. It was part of an era that I just missed but would have loved to have been a part of.
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Another Janis fan here, folks. Have the Box of Pearls, and especially love her Pearl album. I've always thought Big Brother & the Holding Company was a bit too raw and primitive a band to accompany such a masterly singer, but I guess people's opinions are divided on that. Still, my fave is watching her at Monterey Pop in '67. She actually wasn't well known then. Shivers down the spine.
Her performance at Monterey Pop is probably my favorite. I can't find a link to it right now, but there is a video about the Monterey Pop and one of the musicians who is interviewed (he might have been a member of Big Brother & the Holding Company) said that the festival was organized to highlight performers like the Mamas & the Papas and other more conventional acts. He explained that it all fell apart when Janis and then Jimi took the stage and basically stole the show.
Seriously, though, I absorbed a lot back then - probably/possibly more than I should have. 
I have said it before: the band opened the world to me - not just musically but also where and how they traveled, what they read, etc. I quickly realized that I would never be content with a "small" or "narrow" life.
I love those handmade presents and cards from the kids; I save them all; they are my treasures! 
You were so lucky Hotplant! When I was little, I used to dream of going to LA to see Jim Morrison. He tragically died before I ever got to see him. :'( It's cool that you kept your $3 ticket stub! 
It reminds me of what was, back then, a vast chasm of sorts between the sophistication level of the Zep guys and that of their young fans.
Hi MSG! 
He may be someone famous for all I know.
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That is great that your friend's mom drove you to the concert - in my case, we relied on mass transit to get us to the venues. Like you, I was also rockin at a very early age - thanks to my friend's elder siblings (and my penchant for tacking a couple of years onto my real age
). It was the older cousin of that same friend who introduced us to the places in the city where we were most likely to encounter rockers.
It sounds like you and your siblings may have engaged in what we used to call "stereo wars".